Simple Q&A D&D 4e Thread II: Electric Boogaloo

[Nightgaun7]

A 421

They don't interact in any special manner. More information about what the argument was about might help clarify things.

Anyway, as I said, no special interactions. The target against which a crit was rolled takes maximum damage from the attack, and may take additional damage from high crit weapons or enchanted weapons and/or implements as normal. If there are other targets that were not critically hit, you'll still need to roll the attack's damage to see how much those other targets take. Other targets are not automatically hit, nor do they automatically take maximized or bonus damage due to one of their fellows being critically hit.

That's what I thought. The irl group has various opinions, from "Each attack counts separately and you need to roll damage for the crit and for the non-crit" to "The AoE itself is a crit" and some people who didn't really know what they thought, so I decided to check on my own and go back with a sourced argument.

[Malek]

Q422
If a Psion who is adjacent to an enemy uses a ranged power through his shaped consciousness conjuration (which allows him to "use powers as if he was in shaped consciousness space") does he still provoke OA?

[shamgar001]

A422

Just so I understand, you're talking about this situation:

|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|P|E|C|_|
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Where P is the Psion, E is the Enemy, and C is the conjuration?

I would say yes, because the Psion is still casting a ranged attack, and the enemy is adjacent to him.

[Malek]

A422

Just so I understand, you're talking about this situation:

|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|P|E|C|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|

Where P is the Psion, E is the Enemy, and C is the conjuration?

I would say yes, because the Psion is still casting a ranged attack, and the enemy is adjacent to him.

Actually meant something more like this:

|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|P|E|_|C|
|_|_|_|_|_|

i.e. the shaped conjuration not being adjacent to the enemy in question (pardon the poor description, previous post was made in a bit of an hurry)

[tcrudisi]

Q422
If a Psion who is adjacent to an enemy uses a ranged power through his shaped consciousness conjuration (which allows him to "use powers as if he was in shaped consciousness space") does he still provoke OA?

No. Per the wording "Use powers AS IF he was in the shaped consciousness space", then he avoids the OA. Your conjuration is not adjacent to the enemy, so no OA occurs.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Q423
Is dropping prone a movement? I.e. can one hide at the end of a dropping prone movement, if you drop behind appropriate amount of cover/concealment?

Thanks,

Grey Wolf

[Elkreeal]

A423 Dropping prone is a free action last time I remembered checking, but if you have concealment, a stealth check to hide is appropriately being used I think.

[tcrudisi]

A423 Dropping prone is a free minor action last time I remembered checking, but if you have concealment, a stealth check to hide is appropriately being used I think.

FYP. 10 char min.

[tcrudisi]

Q423
Is dropping prone a movement? I.e. can one hide at the end of a dropping prone movement, if you drop behind appropriate amount of cover/concealment?

Thanks,

Grey Wolf

Any time you move you can make a stealth check. Technically, dropping prone is not moving. As I said in the previous post, it is a minor action. (Not that it matters because if you move as a minor action, you can make a stealth check.) So, what I'm saying is that if the player were to use a move action to drop prone (instead of a minor), then I'd allow them to make a stealth check, but that's because they've effectively "moved 0".

The RAW answer here, however, is: Dropping prone is not moving. For your scenario to work, they must use a minor action to drop prone, then a move action to move 0, then make the stealth check as a part of the move action.

[Epinephrine]

Technically, dropping prone is not moving.

What about dropping prone while flying? This lands you standing in a square, provided you fall less than your flight speed.

[Dimers]

If you're flying with at least one square between yours and the ground, then yes, that's enough movement to allow a Stealth-check-to-become-hidden (standard disclaimers apply, like requiring total cover or concealment). If you're flying a centimeter off the ground, no.

[sniffies]

Q424

I really ought to know this, but:
Do backstab/power attack damage rolls get bonuses outside of the ones provided by their triggering attack?

Spoiler: For example

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A slayer hits, rolls 1d10 for greatsword, adding +4 str mod, +2 weapon, +2 stance. Total is 1d10 + 8
He then power attacks, adding 1[w] to the attack. Does this attack now do 2d10 + 8, or 2d10 + 8 + X?

[Badgerish]

A424
They just add damage to the original attack.
So 1d10+8+1d10

[Elkreeal]

Q 425 Does anybody know if the power points you receive from the Psionic Dabbler multiclass feat, accordingly to the power you chose, are regained after a short or long rest? As there are some other psionic multiclass feats that give power points that are only regained after a long rest but there's no information on these other power points.

[Dimers]

A 425 (sorta)

I've never seen a rule written on this question. The default state for power points -- whether they're from a feat, a theme or a class -- is that they recharge with short rests as well as long. The only exception I'm aware of is Awakened Potential feat, which spells out exactly how it differs from that default. RAMS would also suggest that the powerswap feat's PPs recharge with a short rest, because if they didn't, you'd be swapping an encounter power for a daily power.

[Elkreeal]

RAMS? I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the term(?).

But in general that answers my question, if the power points differed from the default there would be relevant information in the feat stating so I would have to guess.

[Treblain]

Q426

The Fighter D15 Defender's Gambit lets the target make a MBA against the fighter as an immediate reaction. If you are using a reach weapon from two squares away and the target has no reach, do they not get the attack against you?

[Inevitability]

The target can't reach you, so they can't attack you, so they can't make an MBA.

[Dimers]

RAMS? I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the term(?).

"Rules As Makes Sense" ... generally an unstable concept around D&D 4e Not a term I originated, but I'm happy to propogate it.

[masteraleph]

Q427

Resistance vs. Vulnerability:

A creature has Resist 10 Cold and Vulnerable 5 Cold (from Lasting Frost). Obviously, it takes 5 less damage than usual when it's hit with cold. But is it considered Resist 5 Cold, or Resist 10 Cold and Vulnerable 5 Cold? (Relevant for Wintertouched, specifically)

[Epinephrine]

A 427 from the Rules Compendium, page 226

If a creature has vulnerability and resistance to the same type of damage, they both apply. Subtract the smaller value from the larger one and apply the result. For instance, a creature that has vulnerable 5 fire and resist 10 fire is treated as if it has resist 5 fire.

Emphasis mine; it is effectively resistant, not vulnerable.

[tcrudisi]

A 427 from the Rules Compendium, page 226


Emphasis mine; it is effectively resistant, not vulnerable.

Rules hazy; ask again later.

Resistance doesn't apply when you are also hit with another keyword. So, for example, if the Monster is resistance 10 cold and vulnerable 5 cold and it gets hit by 17 points of fire/cold damage, then it takes 22.

The resistance doesn't apply because the attack that hit the monster is both fire and cold. The vulnerability does apply. Why? Because as the rules just said: They both apply.

Imo, this falls under DM jurisdiction. The rules are hazy.

[Yakk]

Rules remain hazy; it is unclear if that step (mixed keywords resulting in min of resists being used) is done before or after resistance/vulnerability elimination. I guess we could use the order of paragraphs to determine that? But lacking a "then..." that is not clear.

And even if it is "treated as if it has 5 resist", in other contexts it remains vulnerable 5 element (as an example, if someone else applied vulnerable 5 element to it, it wouldn't lose another 5 resist -- or would it?)

[GPuzzle]

Q428:

Which feats turn dazed into an even worse condition?

I may have just found a really interesting combination.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Q428:

Which feats turn dazed into an even worse condition?

I may have just found a really interesting combination.

Just a suggestion: this sounds like it would be better suited to its own thread, where what is "worse than dazed" can be discussed at length.

GW

[Nod_Hero]

(please pardon the noobness, I tried to search for an answer)
Q 429
If you have an Encounter power that you can use as a basic attack, can you still only use that power once per encounter?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

(please pardon the noobness, I tried to search for an answer)
Q 429
If you have an Encounter power that you can use as a basic attack, can you still only use that power once per encounter?

Yes, only once per encounter. But you can use it with an OA, or as part of a charge, which you can't with most powers.

Grey Wolf

[Epinephrine]

Imo, this falls under DM jurisdiction. The rules are hazy.

Maybe there's some question with multiple damage types, but the exact situation asked about (10 resist, 5 vulnerable, to a single damage type) was spelled out clearly: treat it as resist 5.

[NecroRebel]

Maybe there's some question with multiple damage types, but the exact situation asked about (10 resist, 5 vulnerable, to a single damage type) was spelled out clearly: treat it as resist 5.

I think the question that was really being asked was something like "is the target still treated as being vulnerable to cold (and thus does Wintertouched give CA against it)." The text doesn't address rider effects as explicitly as we'd like.

[georgie_leech]

Q430

The Jack-of-all-Trades Level 20 Daily has multiple Hit lines. Assuming multiple defences are hit, would effects like item bonuses to damage rolls apply multiple times?