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    Default [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

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    In PF, Improved Precise Shot states I ignore the AC and the miss chance of cover and concealment (only partial). But does it allows me to apply precision damage to those targets with partial cover/concealment?

    By RAW, I would say no. Comments?
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    No, it doesn't. It doesn't say anything to that effect in the feat's rules.

    Also, there's a thread for these kind of questions.

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    Default Re: [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    Right, I forgot.

    I apologize. Can a mod help me by closing or deleting this thread?

    Thanks for the answer.
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    Default Re: [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    Ranged sneak attacks aren't really very loved by the rules, compared to melee ones, so that would seem like reasonable houserule to me.
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    Default Re: [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    I'd allow precision damage if the only reason for not getting precision damage before applying the feat was an effect (say partial concealment) that the feat in particular is designed to overcome.
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    You want Shadow Strike for that, which you can get far earlier than Improved Precise Shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    You want Shadow Strike for that, which you can get far earlier than Improved Precise Shot.
    Isn't there a feat or trait that allows you to treat total concealment like concealment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens_cry View Post
    Isn't there a feat or trait that allows you to treat total concealment like concealment?
    No, it just says anything granting less than Total Concealment doesn't negate your precision damage. So an almost must have for any Sneak Attack build.

    I say almost because I believe a +1 Seeking weapon does the same. So either a feat or a 4300gp weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chained Birds View Post
    No, it just says anything granting less than Total Concealment doesn't negate your precision damage. So an almost must have for any Sneak Attack build.

    I say almost because I believe a +1 Seeking weapon does the same. So either a feat or a 4300gp weapon.
    I know this does not do that. I think Greater Blind-Fight is what I am thinking of. Combined they (might?) mean you can sneak attack invisible creatures.
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    Default Re: [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    The feat wording still only says that it ignores the miss chance from concealment. The foe still has concealment, even at 0% miss chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericgrau View Post
    The feat wording still only says that it ignores the miss chance from concealment. The foe still has concealment, even at 0% miss chance.
    Dang, you be right. By a RAW wording, that indeed be the case.
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    Default Re: [3.PF] Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    Thanks for the answers. My DM uses RAW in this case because it's very clear what the feat allows.

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    Default RAW on Improved Precise Shot + Sneak Atttack

    Hi folks!
    I know the issue has been discussed quite some time ago. But as my rogue/wizard/spellwarp sniper character is about to get Improved Precise Shot I did some research and came up with this:

    In the spell description of the Assassin 1 spell Critical Strike, published 2006 in Complete Mage (actually an update to the 2005 version in the Spell Compendium) it says:



    CRITICAL STRIKE

    Divination
    Level: Assassin 1
    Components: V, S
    Casting Time: 1 swift action
    Range: Personal
    Target: You
    Duration: One attack

    As you complete this spell, you sense the blood
    rushing through your target's veins


    This spell guides your next attack to
    your foe's vital spots. Your next single
    attack roll (if it is made before the end
    of the next round) ignores any miss
    chance due to concealment. (In the
    case of a foe that has total concealment,
    you must still attack the correct
    square.) This even allows you to deliver
    a sneak attack against a foe that has
    concealment.

    Complete Mage, p. 100
    The last sentence is crucial: "This [i.e. ignoring any miss chance due to concealment] even allows you to deliver a sneak attack against a foe that has concealment." It does not say "This spell even allows you...". Instead it refers to the fact that the miss chance can be ignored.

    Admittedly this is not a premium source for core rules (spell description in an optional rule book), but at least it is official material. So I'd say: Sneak attack on concealed opponents with Improved Precise Shot is RAW.
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