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2012-08-29, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Once again Doctor Who was in the Radio Times. I will, once again, mention all the titles, basic synopsis and my opinion (the latter being spoilered).
1. Asylum of The Daleks
Moffat's Dalek Themed Premier. Doctor gets to save Daleks apparently. The Asylum is a legendary planet in which all the most insane Daleks are contained. Hey, at least we have an excuse for the Doctor killing all the Daleks. This episode has a big twist near the beginning.
Spoiler???????????????? The general Stephen Moffat consensus. Usually the premiers are not so great but Impossible Astronaut was good. So, who knows
2. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
Guess, come on guess what the theme of this episode is. Written by Chris Chibnall The Doctor has to save the spaceship and the earth. Guest starring Queen Nefertiti and...Rory's DAD! Also has the Doctor ride a tricerotops. Now both mammals and timelords can't seem to get enough of the siren's lure (anyone get the reference?).
SpoilerProbably gonna be one of the weak episodes. Two blockbuster style eps in a row don't sound like a good idea. And I'm going to wager Daleks being the better of the two. Probably.
3. A Town Called Mercy
This here's gonna be the wild west episode, wherepon the Doctor faces a moral dilemma on whether to support a cyborg gunslinger or his bounty. Doctor picks up a gun. Toby Whithouse written.
SpoilerYeehaw! This is gonna be mighty fine!
4. Power of Three
Small cubes invade Earth. They don't do anything, but the Doctor has to wait and be patient or humanity is at stake. Which means he needs to stay...at the Ponds! Starring a character called Kate Stewart who works for UNIT...hmm. Chris Chibnall again
SpoilerMight be good, like Lodger. Might be bad. Gonna say will be a quieter but good episode.
5. The Angels Take Manhattan.
I am really gonna have to see the Muppet film with similar name sometime, just to quote it. The Doctor takes a much aged Rory and Amy on a mission to stop the Weeping Angels and their mistress Jean Shrimpton (last part was a joke, anyone get the reference?). Guest Starring River Song... hopefully for the last time.
SpoilerWeeping Angels and Crowd threat, no. Does not Work. Someone will always be watching. The Angels are called the Lonely Assassins. Not Invaders of Worlds. Add Needless Wagnsting and we've got the weaklink.
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2012-08-29, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Those are hilarious. When can we expect parts 4 and 5?
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2012-08-29, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Each episode this series has had a poster made for it.
I can't find it on the offical site but I think this is the one for Asylum of the Daleks
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Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
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A Town Called Mercy
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The Power of Three
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The Angels Take Manhatten
Spoiler"Three blokes walk into a pub. One of them is a little bit stupid, and the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability." - Bill Bailey
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2012-08-30, 07:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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At the heart of all beauty lies something inhuman, and these hills, the softness of the sky, the outline of the trees at this very minute lose the illusory meaning with which we clothed them, henceforth more remote than a lost paradise.
-Camus, An Absurd Reasoning
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2012-08-31, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I actually liked that original battlestar galactica episode barring the fact they would need to evacuate them as the cylons was on the heels of the refugee fleet looking to wipe out humanity and that looked like a wild west version of a colony of humanity to me!
Anyway... 33 hours until the Uk release of season 7 and 2 more hours than that before the US gets the same experience!
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and I'll be in germany attending a trade show
so unfair
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what are you doing Moffat.... that's not cool.
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"Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot" - N.Gaiman, The Sandman
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"Three blokes walk into a pub. One of them is a little bit stupid, and the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability." - Bill Bailey
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2012-08-31, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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But, but, why would that happen?
SpoilerSeriously, I can't believe that Rory would wait thousands of years for Amy and then just up and leave her. There must be something we're not seeing here. That can't be what's happening.
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Spoiler: My inventory:
1 Sentient Sword
1 Jammy Dodger (I was promised tea)
1 Godwin Point.
Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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Just accidentally ran into this video and thought it'd be something hat would be appreciated in this thread.
Dr Who goes bowling
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2012-08-31, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Guys, all we saw was
SpoilerRory walking out of the house with Amy following and then stopping.
I don't think that is evidence of anything. Maybe Rory had something on his mind? Remember when Amy says she needs the doctor she is in different regalia to the clothes she wears in theflashback and in asylum. Clever editing
However, i am upset by the doctor forgetting that ood are not servile innately.
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Spoiler: My inventory:
1 Sentient Sword
1 Jammy Dodger (I was promised tea)
1 Godwin Point.
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. . .
So.
Um.
I've been really ill. Like, mystery illness and x-rays and other investgations that couldn't identify said malady ill.
So that's my excuse.
I will be liveblogging this season.
I'm All A-Shiver With Antici . . . pation For:
I've only seen one or two trailers, and now the titles for all. And maybe some more things thanks to this thread as long as it wasn't in a spoiler box.
I'm most looking forward to a 'Dinosaurs on a Spaceship'.
This sounds and looks like B-movie ridiculousness masquerading as a plot. As long as it's not boring or tedious this will be marvellous in some fashion.
I'm foreseeing Classic Who style cheesiness and Nu Who effects.
'A Town Called Mercy'
Because I know One had a Western-themed serial so yes, I'm thinking (read: hoping) for some call backs. Also, this was the main focus of one of the trailers, with eyepatches and electricity and the Doctor with a gun (screw you Ten! (no, still not over that)) because Eleven (and Smith) are terribly clumsy, so shenanigans.
I also think this this offers some serious cheesy opportunities, and you may have guessed that I like a bit of cheese.
Madness Takes Its Toll When I Think About:
'Asylum of the Daleks' because Daleks - but I'm not exactly expecting anything new: the Doctor wins.
This is, I think, my most conflicting episode based off my current knowledge. It's a Dalek story, so the Doctor will win.
However I am looking forward to insane Daleks from all fifty years of the show.
The worst things this episode could be is tedious and a bit of a rehash, but the problem is that it's a very real possibility for this episode, the Daleks have quite literally been done to death a good half dozen times or more now, and when you can look at an episode title and know right off that the Daleks are all destroyed once again, well.
'The Angels Take Manhattan'
Muppets Take Manhattan anyone? I've not seen that film in years, but I may have to again because come on. Episode title will be redeemed if there's an in-universe reference to the film.
'Blink' was most definitely an unexpected hit in all ways - Hugo awards, highest fear rating ever, fan favourite, new awesome villain - and the problem is simply that the Angels were likely intended to be a one-shot monster with a terrifying premise. And then they were so popular they were resurrected for a (still) very good two-parter. And the thing was: thousands of Angels, maybe a dozen humans-or-approximations-thereof. Manhattan on the other hand has a population of 1.6 million (as of 2011) and a buttload of security cameras acting as artificial eyes.
What new gimmick will the Angels have now? Or how are they going to use their old ones to account for the sheer number of eyes around them?
It's either going to suck or be very good.
Eh?:
'Power of Three'. It's about three people? Probably Our Boys. Ummm. Based on the posters it looks like they're carrying around phones on the 3 network, so product placement?
Writing?
1. Stephen Moffat
2. Chris Chibnall
3. Toby Whitehouse
4. Chris Chibnall
5. Steven Moffatt
Odd man out much? While I do love me my Moffat episodes, they're also the two I'm most concerned about. Then again, it's often that way with his stuff.
Chris Chibnall wrote '42'. I loved '42'. He was head writer for Torchwood which is a mixed barrel. He wrote 'The Hungry Earth'/'COld Blood' two-parter of which I know nothing.
Toby Whitehouse wrote 'School Reunion' which I loved and ditto for 'The God Complex'. I do like Being Human. His episode title also intrigues me the most.
Despite having a single episode this season I nominate Toby Whitehouse for having the best episode in this half.
Without having seen a thing.
Let's see how right (or wrong) I was at the end.
(Also I totes have an review to be posted soon. Having chest x-rays and being dosed with antibiotics with death via heart arrhythmia and various types of organ failure and internal bleeding as possible side effects tends to take a bit out of you.)
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2012-08-31, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just had a thought about "bunny-face"
I know this is out of nowhere but how old is Martha really? She's only a medical student. So even though her actress was 26-27 when she got the part, Martha need only be 21-22. She is not required by the plot to be mature. Just a thought.
@CKG: Ten using a gun...that happens again. Near the end of his run.
Toby "Whithouse" also wrote Vampires of Venice (season 5). Which sucked (ha!) and made me give him the moniker of "Toby Witless" for a period. But it was Rory's first trip in the TARDIS. So that was a plus.
Also you may want to see Wedding of River Song before Angels Take Manhattan at least. I bet it will be referenced.
Finally, to all concerned, Sunken Valley will be triumphantly returning to the playground for reviews. I don't care if you don't like them. I know you comment on them.
EDIT: Clara Oswin. New companion name.Last edited by Sunken Valley; 2012-08-31 at 01:17 PM.
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Well, there was the Victory of the Daleks (Season 5), where the Daleks pretty walked away with the game. Seriously, they achieve every high priority goal they set in that episode and only were thwarted on throwaway side objectives (such as destroying the Earth), and even the objectives they failed on served to help them achieve their primary goals.
Well, if Time of Angels and Flesh & Stone are anything to judge by, security cameras are more of a boon to them than a hindrance. And Manhattan is no less reliant on electricity than a stranded starliner - with a little power grid sabotage, they could do some serious damage in one night. Heck, they could have an army just standing in wait around that city and nobody would ever suspect a thing until the power goes out.
That said, I rather suspect this to be another Let's Kill Hitler story, where the title is technically accurate, but does not even begin to hint at the real plot of the episode.
Yikes.Last edited by Calemyr; 2012-08-31 at 01:24 PM.
Spoiler: My inventory:
1 Sentient Sword
1 Jammy Dodger (I was promised tea)
1 Godwin Point.
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For the sake of simplicity we'll say that Martha did do science-y A Levels and she went to UCL Medical School because the hospital she was in was in London, Royal Hope is enough like Royal Free for me to say so, and the uni is always in the top five med schools in the country.
Their typical degree in Medicine (not any other medical degree) is six years long. Two pre-clinical, three clinical and one for some fancy compulsory thing they have to do.
So Martha's between twenty-one and twenty-five.
Given her competency in medical situations (see, I do compliment Nu!Companions pre-Donna!) I'd say she's nearing the end of her clinical training, making her about twenty-three. (Non-canon material says she was born in 1986 and 'Smith and Jones canonically did take place in 2008 making her about twenty-two depending when exactly she was born.
Go me working something out from real world stuff before going to a fan-wiki and coming up with basically the same thing.
So while she's not required to be mature by virtue of her age (Lord knows I'm extremely immature at times), I do argue that her chosen profession requires it.
Either way, it's her face more than anything.
I think maybe she has big front teeth because so often when I paused the video her mouth was open and all I could see were her possibly-bucked teeth.
It's not me mocking her maturity when I point out bunny-facing, just an unfortunate union of pausing at exactly the wrong moment and facial features that don't lend themselves very well to the mouth-open-in-shock face.
God I'm a dork.
You point out something fairly logical re: maturity and age, and I go all out to logic out said age and then defend my running gag. Still not sure if they're completely linked, but it was fun to work out anyway.
That was a good half hour browsing various wikis.
Sssshhh. Curlers.
I look forward to seeing his possible hypocrisy/Thing That Makes Him Do That.
Nah. Hypocrisy. (IMO)
If it's more Daleks I'm going to kick my sister in the shins.
YAY RORY!
Also vampires are co - no, no they're not. Not any more. Curses. Well, Venice is cool! Maybe it's a historical episode! You can't be in Venice and not be doing a historical episode!
Also, Whithouse, Whitehouse; half the time I don't think I can even spell Stephen Moffatt's name right, so the chances of me getting a 'normal' writer's name right, especially when it's a multiple option name are way down low.
Besides, just working off my previous knowledge does suggest that it'd be good. Eh, wouldn't know would I? Stupid me for burning the candle at both ends and missing an entire season.
>.>
I keep forgetting I'm still missing that episode.
*adds to the list, but higher up*
Hey, I like your reviews.
Certainly they're a lot quicker to read, and more concise than mine. Plus we seem to come at the reviews from opposite ends of the spectrum; I'm just . . . what was it? An unusually erudite fangirl who tends to think more positively; and you tend to be of the slightly disillusioned fan with an emphasis on what didn't work over what did.
It's fun.
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SPOILERS.
*still haven't seen season five*
Still, with a title like that, it's a bit obvious.
But looking back over all of Who-history I can think of at least five serials/episodes/occasions where the Daleks lost quite drastically.
'The Daleks' - they were all destroyed. I know this because I've seen the Peter Cushings movie. 1
'The Dalek Invasion of Earth' - all destroyed. I know this because I saw the Peter Cushings movie. 2
'Genesis of the Daleks' - all destroyed. I know this because I think everyone does? 3
'Remembrance of the Daleks' - all destroyed, including their home planet. I know this because I saw the serial at my birthday party in March. 4
'Dalek' - already established as totally obliterated in the Time War (5). The 'last Dalek in existence' then commits suicide. 6.
'Bad Wolf'/'Parting of the Ways' - ROSE! goes Mary Sue God Mode and destroys them all. Again. 7.
'Army of Ghosts'/'Doomsday' - Mary Sue ROSE!'s life is all worthless and emo-tastic because the Daleks had a plan which was foiled and now they're all destroyed. Again. 8.
That Serial In Season Three Which Shall Not Be Named, But Sounds Surprisingly Similar To Season 7's Angel's Episode. All but one detroyed. Oh no. The Doctor is going to use a gun to kill that Dalek isn't he? 9.
So that's nine examples I can think of from Who-history, and five of them just from Nu Who seasons 1 - 3.
Kind of depressing no?
The overwhelming majority of cases involve the Daleks being defeated if not outright obliterated. Chances then are extemely high they lose again.
True, which is why I said it could go either way.
There are many reasons why the Angels premise could work really well, especially given season 5's revelations, but on the other hand it could go badly. I remain dubious because I really like the Angels and hope the plot serves them well.
I HOPE THIS IS IT.
Yeah.
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"Three blokes walk into a pub. One of them is a little bit stupid, and the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability." - Bill Bailey
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You want to watch them Pollux B space!dolpins, they can pack a pretty mean right hook.
Also more videos to throw at this thread:
Matt Smith, Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill Introduce Asylum of the Daleks
Steven Moffat and Caro Skinner Introduce the New Series"Three blokes walk into a pub. One of them is a little bit stupid, and the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability." - Bill Bailey
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Tell me about it. Once you get whacked in the face with a tepid flipper your whole world turns upside down.
Especially if that dolphin is actually The Rani in disguise.
This actually makes me more intrigued in 'Asylum of the Daleks', and a little more positive about it too. What can I say, Amy and Rory (and Arthur and Karen) are wonderful people and I'll take their opinion into consideration.
Thank you Mr. Moffatt for making a distinction between plot and story! All my love to you for at least the next two hours.
Doctor Who, with a few exceptions is very much story focussed.
For all that I'm not as big a fan of Ten as I was way back when series three started airing, I can still see his character develop over his tenure, watch how the emotions punch people in the face repeatedly.
Nine and Eleven's reigns do this too.
With a few glaring exceptions - hello Rose! Nice to see you stagnating in a swamp of anti-development over there.
The plots of Doctor Who on the other hand . . . let's just say that while they're overall more coherent than Classic Who, the average Nu Who episode has a fair number of plot holes and silly bits.
In some cases they're large enough to infuriate me.
So yes, I do like that distinction, and seeing as I've said a quadrillion squillion times that I love character driven things lots this is why I'm willing to overlook a fair amount.Last edited by CurlyKitGirl; 2012-08-31 at 03:28 PM.
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Curly Responses!
They don't lose drastically in Genesis. If they did, they won't have existed.
They have however, lost dramatically in several other serials, including Evil of the Daleks, Daleks Master Plan and that time Colin Baker met them. They have fought the Doctor in a full length appearence 22 times, with tomorrow being their 23rd. Surprising, they are only the 2nd most frequent villain to fight the Doctor, no 1 being the Master (who was cheaper in the Pertwee and Davidson years, as he was a guy.)
Tennant does not pull a gun against Daleks. That I will say.
Technically, the "Vampires of Venice" aren't vampires. Nor is the episode historical. It is in actual fact, the weak link of the season (although some consider either Chibnall's 2 parter or Beast Below (the one Moffat, you've never seen) worse).
That is so true. Although I'm not disillusioned, I just think Moffat's let it get to his head and he should move on and work for something else (although, who would be the showrunner?). Moffat's all like "I've made Dr Who an event" and "The Davis era is a relic" or "My take is unique". You know what Moffat? Without Davis, your run would not have existed. Your run only works when contrasted with lighter and softer Davis. That's why your episodes were best, as a contrast. If you'd wanted to be first Showrunner, you could have done it. You did it with Rowan Atkinson. But you didn't. And your show would not have worked if it came before Davis. Cartmel master plan didn't work (by the way, Moffat's not trying to reproduce that, the plan has been leaked in a novel). This would not have worked unless Davis came beforehand.
And the accentuate negative stuff is heavily influence by Confused Matthew and later, TGWTG