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Thread: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
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2012-11-02, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Probably not 2-and-a-half-million-dollar-Kickstarter big, but I find it hard to consider this argument as a reasonable explanation for Homestuck's flaws. Hussie had completed one reasonably successful project already; he knew, going in, that he would probably start with about as many eyeballs were already reading Problem Sleuth. MSPA already *was* a successful webcomic site. And this time around he doesn't even have the defense of blaming his readership's bizarre suggestions for the meandering senselessness, because he stopped taking those suggestions. If Homestuck is larger than Hussie can capably handle now, it's because he *wrote* it that way- all the successive steps back to a bigger stage, the ever-inflating cast of characters, and of course the bizarre and seemingly pointless self-gratifying interruptions that make Homestuck one of the most excessively confused story-graphs I have ever given up on keeping track of.. that's all Hussie. He made it that big, not his readers. If it breaks under its own weight, that's Hussie's fault too.
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2012-11-03, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
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SpoilerThat flash was pretty confusing to follow with all the different colors and walls of text.
Seems like the ring is some importance.
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2012-11-03, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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huh….Meulin and Nepeta get along better than I thought….
and poor Eridan, dating Cronus. its a sad day when the only date one can get is with your ancestral jerk copy who makes you look good by comparison.
and this…..got out of hand very quickly. are those female versions of Eridan and Kankri I see? oh and cool, nice to see there are other versions of dead Alternian trolls around.
but….what is with those pages and being ripped out and…Caliborn writing stuff down and such? is he manipulating time so that Calliope won't show up there somehow?
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2012-11-03, 11:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
SpoilerPretty sure that's Caliope's attempt at self-insert fanfiction and Caliborn is just ripping it up because he hates her or something.
Also, From those sprites, March Eridan is canon.
Pretty sure all those other "girl" versions are just crossdressings, not actual girl versions/fantrolls.Last edited by Draconi Redfir; 2012-11-03 at 11:20 PM.
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2012-11-03, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerAh but….Muse of Space…..Cherub…….knows about future and such……and is such a big fan…..for all we know, that could be her actual power. She could really be trying to write or insert herself into the future to make sure things go better.
or somehow her writings could be manipulating things- maybe the picture of her waking up John is what is really caused him to wake up?
or maybe I'm just speculating too much. probably is just self-insert fan fiction but with Homestuck….that might be an actual power. just saying.
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2012-11-03, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
SpoilerOther speculation I heard, Calliope saw these things in the clouds on Prospit, and then wrote fan-fiction about them.
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2012-11-04, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Those aren't females. The Eridan, Kankri, Tavros, and Equius are all just crossdressing.
I know the Eridan one was so outlandish it became a meme for a straight year right around Hivebent and appears now and then to this day. The other three seem to just be there to round out the numbers.
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2012-11-04, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
Well... That was pretty amusing. I thought that the other people wherent interested in fighting but OK.
The only thing I just hate is now that the intermission is over I now have to see Dirk.
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2012-11-04, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerGood eye in spotting the dresses! I'll just leave these here.
Crossdressing Eridan
Crossdressing Tavros
Crossdressing Equius
Crossdressing Kankri
Yeah, this doesn't count
I am unable to parse this image
Can you even wear these for slime vat beds
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2012-11-04, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think Kankri's crossdressing in that pic, I think he's actually wearing the Seer of Blood uniform.
Something that may or may not be of note: Gamzee only appeared once in that whole exchange, and he did so both alive (yellow eyes), and as a God Tier, wings and all.I Wanna Be the Guy Kid avatar by Ceika. Many thanks.
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2012-11-04, 06:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-04, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but there are quite a few versions of trolls we never saw before as well. Terezi dressed as Dave, for instance. It strikes me as odd that, if this is right, that Gamzee never died in any of the (apparently many) timeline offshoots that the Post Scratch Troll session apparently created.
There could be something similar with what happened with Doomed Future Rose (same offshoot that created Davesprite), in that rather than dying, Gamzee in those timelines simply ceased to exist. But Doomed Future Rose's Dreamself sorta merged with regular Rose's Dreamself (still fuzzy on how that happened), which helped her wake up faster, and gave her some knowledge of what happened in that timeline.
What if the same thing happened with Gamzee?I Wanna Be the Guy Kid avatar by Ceika. Many thanks.
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2012-11-04, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair, it's possible that dead Terezi started dating a dead Dave, and is wearing her boyfriend's shirt/created one like his.
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2012-11-04, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
Say, shouldn't there be a depressed universe Rose running around?
Why is she the only one that fused with Rose instead of getting a dream bubble?
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2012-11-04, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's because Doomed Future Rose (that is who you're referring to, right?) didn't actually die, as such, and actually ceased to exist when the timeline stopped being able to interact with the alpha and was (destroyed? not sure how you'd describe it), i.e. when soon-to-be Davesprite left.
The Doomed Troll timelines, by contrast, appear to all involve mass murder, so they do in fact die and get Dream Bubbles before Paradox Space unmakes them.
Since we have never seen a dead Gamzee, it appears a lot of these timelines were caused by him going mad or something.
Similar thing with Meenah's plan to kill all the Pre-Scratch trolls. The bomb blew them up, and before any of the God Tiers could revive, the alpha timeline of that timeplace ceased to exist, so Paradox Space defaulted to "DEAD", rather than try and revive God Tiers in an area and time which no longer exists.
It makes me wonder. In between a God Tier dying and reviving, are they dreaming in a dream bubble? Would someone looking at them see milky white orbs where their eyes would be?I Wanna Be the Guy Kid avatar by Ceika. Many thanks.
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2012-11-04, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't we see john in a dreambubble post-jackstabbings and pre-resurection? I'm not sure if we did or not.
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2012-11-05, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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On the topic of Cherubim, the story as a whole, and other things, I submit for your consideration, the following theories:
The Long Game
Cherubim and Seraphim
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2012-11-05, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures 6:12
seems about right. I kinda suspected that Calliope has some weird super-passive just as powerful cosmic ability under her control just like Caliborn.
wich means Calliope is the Big Good. but that was obvious...
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2012-11-05, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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A funny part of the recent animation was Hussie watching everything from the background. Because while he may be there in part because he's looking for the ring, like Tavros, he's also there in part because he's Hussie, and watching hordes of different versions of his characters in various outfits is basically part of his job.
Apparently, Damara's lines translate to "What is this? A Halloween orgy?" and "Someone is touching me. Keep doing so."
SpoilerNote how Callie seemingly has no effect on events. No one notices her; John would have woken up regardless, as he did the first time that he died in a dream due to being stabbed by Menah.
It seems likely that Calliope knew what happens in these scenes due to Rose's records or Skaian cloud visions or some other source. She has done her best to learn what she can about this story, after all.
The obvious way for her to then insert a version of herself into these events would be for her to construct an alternate history in which she plays a role. But if she wishes to insert a new character into the story as it already is, that character kind of needs to just... be there, with no impact on the narrative.
That is to say, Callie's interactions with everyone else are entirely...
... passive?
Given that Calliope's class is supposed to be supremely passive and, based on the name, very probably has some sort of storytelling-based powers... one can't help but wonder. And let us not forget Vriska's involvement in Becquerel's creation and prototyping. From her perspective, those events had already happened, and claiming responsibility for them didn't actually change anything. And yet her role was essential, and it seems dubious at best to say that those things would have happened without her.
Cause and effect often proceed strangely in paradox space, and it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility to me that something might happen, in some sense, because of how it will be recorded.
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I'll confess that I find doomed timelines a bit confusing, myself. But from what we've seen, I guess that they get wiped out at the point when someone goes back in time to prevent them from occurring, and everyone from them dies, as a sort of added failsafe?
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2012-11-06, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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So Calliope ends up creating lord english? And destroying a universe?
She really sucks at her job.
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2012-11-06, 03:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I Wanna Be the Guy Kid avatar by Ceika. Many thanks.
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2012-11-06, 10:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-06, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just to have some fun with this theory...
Calliope and Caliborn are actually fighting to create the story of Homestuck. After all, who is the one person that you can never be, no matter how hard you try? Doc Scratch, Lord English's agent in the story. And Scratch has been manipulating and altering the course of the story to ensure that Lord English is born.
So perhaps Calliope is trying to quietly slip coincidences and errors into the story that her brother is writing, with the ultimate end goal of defeating him. It's an interesting idea.If you like my thoughts, you'll love my writing. Visit me at www.mishahandman.com.