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    Alright, IC post should be fixed, complete with map. As always, ask me if you've got any questions.

    EDIT: Ninja, what Alchemical Item has Rahman prepared for this encounter with his free short rest crafting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_Elf View Post
    Alright, IC post should be fixed, complete with map. As always, ask me if you've got any questions.

    EDIT: Ninja, what Alchemical Item has Rahman prepared for this encounter with his free short rest crafting?
    Do horses count as enough of an enemy to the dragons to be used for flanking?

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    Default Re: [Hourglass of Zihaja D&D 4e] Heroes on a Sea of Swords OOC II

    Yes, but they also count as your enemy; the dragons can flank with them, too.
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    Yes, but they also count as your enemy; the dragons can flank with them, too.
    Thanks. Unfortunately, I realised that LoS would defeat my original idea, so I won't end up using a horse to flank. That said, it is something to keep in mind.

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    Just letting you all know I wont be able to reply at all this week end (from now to monday morning (well maybe sunday... but I doubt it).

    So if my turns comes, Shadow can either take it with these instruction or wait for me (if he dicde to wait, assume delay and other after me can play their turn of the the next monster turn)

    Here is what I plan to do (may change if someone is in big trouble after ID1 action though... )

    1 : Remember that if IG1 daze me, I can save at the start of my turn (superior willl)

    2 - Remember that if an ally within 5 of me bloody or drop to 0 an enemy, I will gratn him 11 THP (if he doesnt have that much already). CAn happen once per turn only.

    3 - I should be at 63/102 (not 73)... as I took 18 in first post, and 21 total in last.

    4 - I will heal the most injured character (Majestic Word : Spend a surge + 2D6 +6 and he also gain some TEMP HP from Improved Majestic word feat - not sure how many.. stupid uncomplete infomration on printed character sheet ) and teleport him 1 either :adjacent to an enemy (or in charging position) if melee he is a mele type or away if range type. Note that I try to spread the group doing this (because of the breaths). (that also trigger my own teleport 2 square, which I'd use to place myself for my attack (Probably in J17 so my burst 3 include IG2 and IG 3). You can adjust if IG1 move in range so I can hit the 3.

    5 - I'll use rolling echo : Close burst 3 ( 2 + 1 for feat), +18 VS Fort (Enemies), 2D6+12 Thunder damage and push 1 (Forfeit it unless it can bring an enemy in melee reach -> I'd push IG2 one square to G16/F17 and down 1 so he end up at height 1, but I wont push IG3).

    6 - Activate Healing rain to gain 6 THP (and possibly give some to adjacent allies if any beside me) et the end of my turn..


    Looking at these instructions, maybe you'll simply wait for my return lol... your call.

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    I will put Rahman on delay tomorrow evening and run ID1's turn then. I know NP's posts are infrequent on weekends, but I want to keep the game moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_Elf View Post
    I will put Rahman on delay tomorrow evening and run ID1's turn then. I know NP's posts are infrequent on weekends, but I want to keep the game moving.
    Is the dragon prone?

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    Yes, Amirah's attack via the Wolf was successful.

    Sorry, update is going to be late. Was running a PnP session today, and got home too enervated to roll more dice and update the map. At least this gives NP a weekday day to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_Elf View Post
    Yes, Amirah's attack via the Wolf was successful.
    Good to hear. This CA won't last as long as the one last turn, but at least Rahman can make use of it.

    We'll see how well this controls the dragon, though. Shadow Elf's monsters tend to have a "can't be prone" clause in-built. If I had known it was such a common thing, I'd have picked a different summon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Good to hear. This CA won't last as long as the one last turn, but at least Rahman can make use of it.

    We'll see how well this controls the dragon, though. Shadow Elf's monsters tend to have a "can't be prone" clause in-built. If I had known it was such a common thing, I'd have picked a different summon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_Elf View Post
    What, so far, has been immune to proning? Apart from the sharks, I don't think that has been a big deal.
    The ghost was immune to it (in that it could teleport, then float down to standing position). Then the sharks, of course. And I assumed that Vertasi's switches would also render her immune, since she could switch with someone standing up. So that's like 3/4 fights, so far.

    Also, please note that I'm not really complaining. I understand and accept that a first level daily can't be expected to operate at 100% in level 15 battles. It is just that there seems to be many tricks to get around the "poor man's immobilise".

    That said, it sounds like these dragons do get to waste their move action getting up. That'll be nice.

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    Also, for Rahman's alchemical item, it would've been Alchemist's spark or Acidic fire. Probably acidic fire.
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    Ummmm... Ninja_Penguin, can I ask you to please not push the dragon? Right now it is prone and flanked by me and my summon; while he may get away, there is a chance he won't. I mean, unless there is a good reason to move him.

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    Oh, duh. Sorry about that. Yeah, cancel that push then. I'd been looking at the map and not your post when i was thinking about what to do.
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    Question: if a creature is immobilized while flying and doesn't have Hover as one of its abilities, does it fall at the start of its next turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninja_penguin View Post
    Oh, duh. Sorry about that. Yeah, cancel that push then. I'd been looking at the map and not your post when i was thinking about what to do.
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    Question: if a creature is immobilized while flying and doesn't have Hover as one of its abilities, does it fall at the start of its next turn?
    I doubt there's RAW to answer this, but I'd say that would drop them immediately, not at the start of its turn. That said, how would a creature without hover end its turn in the air so the scenario could take place? Don't creatures that can fly but not hover fall at the end of their turns?

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    Yeah I guess that wouldn't matter then. I'm probably still thinking in old 3.5e terms, where many flying creatures had to sustain a minimum forward distance each round to maintain flight.
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    Jalil has a number of powers and abilities that let her fly but she doesn't have hover, so I'd assume that if she flew up and didn't land then she'd fall when the power ended.

    In regards to a creature with a natural fly speed that is Immobilized I don't think they'd fall prone. Immobilization isn't paralyzing. Immbolized creatures can still "stand up when it's prone, pull an item from a backpack, or attack normally." The rules for Immobilization don't mention anything about flying creatures falling prone, so by RAW they wouldn't.

    Edit: Seem like Hover is only used for determining whether flying creatures that are Stunned fall immediately. If they have Hover, they stay in the air.
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    Creatures without hover must fly three squares or more on their turn. Failure to do so makes them fall prone. Therefore, in that scenario, they'd fall prone at the end of their next turn.

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    Is that one of your house rules? If so, that's cool, but here's what's in the Compendium:

    Remaining in the Air: A flying creature does not need to take any particular action to remain aloft; the creature is assumed to be flying as it fights, moves, and takes other actions. However, a flying creature falls the instant it is stunned, unless it can hover (see "Flight Traits").

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    Really? I always thought that the moving thing was RAW. Hover seems kind of silly now, though I suppose it also allows midair shifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambers View Post
    here's what's in the Compendium:
    There is also a bit about flying in the DM manual, IIRC, which might or might not expand on that. I remember reading somewhere that creatures without hover cannot remain aloft at the end of their turns, which is where hover comes in.

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    IC post is up. It is now Medinah's turn. Internet is back to normal.
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    Since Rahman bloodied an enemy I give him 11 THp (well only 6 since he have 5... but better then nothing)

    I completly missed the other dragon being bloodied... sad

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    Prone and dazed? Sigh. I guess this turn's a wash.
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    Since Rahman bloodied an enemy I give him 11 THp (well only 6 since he have 5... but better then nothing)

    I completly missed the other dragon being bloodied... sad
    I gave Rahman the THP for the first one, too. That's why he already has some .
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    Ok, cool Shadow.

    I dont know if Medinah have some ranged power that pull/slide... but bringin ID1 or ID3 one square closer to the middle would allow me to hit them all with a close burst 3

    At worst, I think I'll simply attack 2 and 3

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    it crits Figment, who cannot catch a break this encounter
    Not a problem. She's the only one with unlimited healing for a minor action (and a surge, but who ever runs out of surges?). Wasting your crits on her is what she's there for - and any narration of her "running into the woods" is in fact just her illusions working her charm.

    The theme summons aren't really all that good, except as ablative shields, and I'm glad Figment is in fact serving her purpose in this fight.

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    Oh, and Medinah. If you need to be adjacent to an enemy, you could delay, I'd can teleport you beside ID1 on my turn. You'd still be prone, but in melee range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekkah View Post
    Ok, cool Shadow.

    I dont know if Medinah have some ranged power that pull/slide... but bringin ID1 or ID3 one square closer to the middle would allow me to hit them all with a close burst 3

    At worst, I think I'll simply attack 2 and 3
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