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    You know, if this weren't Coyote's fault, this would be kind of sweet.

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    Yeah, Coyote is kind of a conniving prick.
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    Oh wow, this is so sad. I'd hug Ysengrin too. Except he might reflexively bite me...

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    Yeah, Coyote's compassion is undercut by the fact that he knew this would happen.
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    Freaking manipulator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eee View Post
    Oh wow, this is so sad. I'd hug Ysengrin too. Except he might reflexively bite me...
    I think thats what Coyote is working on. If he had things just let it ran their course., he might have killed Annie when she was less prepared. Now Ys realizes that he needs some quiet and medic...err meditation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candle Jack View Post
    Yeah, Coyote's compassion is undercut by the fact that he knew this would happen.
    You think it's compassion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marller View Post
    I think thats what Coyote is working on. If he had things just let it ran their course., he might have killed Annie when she was less prepared. Now Ys realizes that he needs some quiet and medic...err meditation.
    That's a fine theory, but it doesn't fit with what we know about Coyote. It seems much more likely that he engineered this situation to break Annie and Ysengrin up because he's jealous that Ysengrin has made a friend that isn't him. For reference, see every abusive relationship ever.
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    Sad face Ysengrin makes Ravens Cry sad face sad.
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    Sad face Ysengrin makes Ravens Cry sad face sad.
    I was going to say look on the bright side, at least that big dude(whose name escapes me) didn't have to kill Ysengrin, but now I'm not sure that that wouldn't have been a much more merciful conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    I was going to say look on the bright side, at least that big dude(whose name escapes me) didn't have to kill Ysengrin, but now I'm not sure that that wouldn't have been a much more merciful conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    That's a fine theory, but it doesn't fit with what we know about Coyote. It seems much more likely that he engineered this situation to break Annie and Ysengrin up because he's jealous that Ysengrin has made a friend that isn't him. For reference, see every abusive relationship ever.
    But I have to go back to the question "WHY are Annie and Ysengrin friends?"; and when I do, there's Coyote waving at me. Coyote kept Yse from killing her during their first encounter at the Court; he showed her Yse in his weakness and his strength; he revealed to Annie (and Yse) that she wasn't entirely human (which would be a big thing to a wolf spirit who hates humans); he kept putting the two of them together in circumstances where Yse's wisdom, knowledge, and natural instincts would help Annie, and her desire to understand and her affection would help him: Coyote set all this up. Now, you could argue he did this so he could later create a situation that would drive them apart, inflicting emotional harm on each and making them more dependent on him; if Coyote were a true SOB - which, technically, he is - that might work. But I'm thinking that's too simple. Coyote's got a plan. He's manipulating Annie, Ysengrin, and events towards a specific goal, something really big he can't accomplish any other way. The problem is, since we don't know what he's after, we can't tell how horrible he's being. But we'll find out. Some day.

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    Perhaps coyote's goal here was to make Annie a better Medium, while making Ysimgrin more open to mediation.

    Ysimgrin is remorseful here. He regrets his attack. This may lead him to acknowledge his own madness.

    Annie meanwhile now understands the reason for the split in the first place. We understands that the woods are dangerous, that it's not all hippy tree elves and fun times with Coyote. She now has a real, very visceral appreciation for the dangers of the woods, and it's inhabitants.

    Of course Coyote could have confronted Ysingrim differently, or had Annie piss off something not quite so dangerous, but he's coyote.

    And if Annie is smart, she will realize he is dangerous too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyger View Post
    Jim-jims. His name is Jim-Jims. Or Jimmy-jim-jim-jim-jim-jim-jim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwertystop View Post
    I'm sorry, was that a Pratchett reference? As in "Bigger-than-wee-Jock-but-not-as-big-as-medium-sized-Jock-Jock"?
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    Muppet Treasure Island, actually, if I'm not mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRC View Post
    Annie meanwhile now understands the reason for the split in the first place. We understands that the woods are dangerous, that it's not all hippy tree elves and fun times with Coyote. She now has a real, very visceral appreciation for the dangers of the woods, and it's inhabitants.
    Not enough in my opinion. Because it still IS inhabited by "Lets bend the loophole" elves, and fun times with Coyote.

    Needs more brutality please.

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    I'd actualy like to see more of the dangers of the court, and not just that they were bastards in the past with Jeanne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    I was going to say look on the bright side, at least that big dude(whose name escapes me) didn't have to kill Ysengrin, but now I'm not sure that that wouldn't have been a much more merciful conclusion.
    It just may have been, he's heartbroken right now.
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    ...oh, Ysengrin...

    .... *shoosh* *pap*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    I was going to say look on the bright side, at least that big dude(whose name escapes me) didn't have to kill Ysengrin, but now I'm not sure that that wouldn't have been a much more merciful conclusion.
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    The man is Eglamore.
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    Well, that was unexpected.

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    Is it possible that this was always Coyote's end plan? That he told Annie of his true nature to anger Ysengrin and then steal away the memory of attacking her?

    He's obviously taken other memories from Ysengrin's mind. Perhaps this is truly why Ysengrin is going insane.
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    Coyote everyone!

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    What does that specifically serve? If I'm reading that right, then all that would do is foster caution/resentment in Annie. Perhaps he's trying to get her to be more careful, but Ysengrin freaked out over her calling the theory "funny". It's one thing to be careful about what you say, quite another to literally double check every word you say.

    Maybe he doesn't want Annie and Ysengrin as allies? Why though? A sympathetic face in the Forest makes her more likely to want to visit, so Coyote can try and convince her to his way of thinking.

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    WHooo! Just as i wan't to quit, you real me back in! Yay!

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    So that is how coyote powers his powers: he consumes the souls of those close to him.
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    No. Those are just memories.

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    Can't have your general cowering weakly on the ground.
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    What's interesting to me is that Ysengrin said no.

    This is very dark territory, but to me it seems like Coyote does not want Ysengrin to learn from his mistakes or grow. The tree-wolf appeared genuinely remorseful of his actions and Coyote took that away.

    We saw malice before when Coyote threatened to snip off Annie's hand with the bracelet. Maybe he isn't a playful trickster after all, alternatively his sense of humor goes beyond what we would consider good taste.

    Did Coyote really believe he was helping Ysengrin when he took his memories? That would be interesting, but I got a different vibe from that scene.
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