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    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XXXIV. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. This comes up often enough to bear mention in the rules: Dragon Compendium is allowed.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, June 30th, 2012 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Amphetryon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, July 14th, 2012 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Dungeon Master's Guide's Dragon Disciple
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXIV

    FAQ:
    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes, but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Similarly, materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Amphetryon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    So, um, about that 10th level? According to (some would say silly) RAW verbiage in Complete Warrior, Dragon Disciple hits an unending disqualification/qualification loop when entering 10th level, as they become Half-Dragons, momentarily disqualifying them from the PrC that turned them into Half-Dragons. While amusing as heck, this loop - which some call Schrödinger's Apotheosis - should be wholly ignored for purposes of this contest. It's better for everyone's sanity.
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    I am so in one this comp

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    I actually might compete in this one, I've always like dragon disciple. Do we rule that we don't get an LA +3 from taking all 10 levels though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranar View Post
    I actually might compete in this one, I've always like dragon disciple. Do we rule that we don't get an LA +3 from taking all 10 levels though?
    Of course we do.
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    Hmmm, I'm highly tempted to throw my hat into this... But on the other hand, I know I'm not going to win.

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    O come on i got last place in my first challenge and I believe it only made me a better so that this time around I might place higher up. I'm putting finishing touches and fluff into one of my builds now then I'll be starting on another. I'm kind of scared of the first one, but know its not fully optimized so will be probably making two more builds that way I have a better chance, and saying I am not waiting for the last three days may even have more then three builds in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Of course we do.
    Of course we do rule that way? Or of course we do get LA +3?
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    Gentlefolk, learn from Zaq's example, and his suffering. Remember, seven out of eleven players who use truenamer lose their ability to taste ice cream.
    Do you play 4e? I wrote a guide to Truenamers in 4e as well!
    Here's something I homebrewed. (It's not Truenamer-related, honest.) PEACH!

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    Since I have been asking for DD for a while, I'm definitely going to try and get an entry in. I've had the bare bones of a DD build plotted out for a while now - time to flesh it out, write up the backstory, and format it into tables!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaq View Post
    Of course we do rule that way? Or of course we do get LA +3?
    The question was whether we rule that we DON'T get the +3 LA. I said yes, we rule that we DON'T get the +3 LA. I'm not sure how my answer is read otherwise.
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    Last night I said to myself "I need a break after all that judging, I'll probably sit out of the next contest or two". But now I have a great idea. Why do I do this to myself
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    Cleric: *passes* "Ah yes, now I recognise it, it was a temple to the god of traps!"
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    welp, I'm in. what's the status on trophies for rounds past?
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
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    How telling is it that people would rather discuss the taxonomy of tomatoes (which are delicious) than the truenamer class?
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    I think I'm actually going to attempt a build here. Got a (hopefully) strong concept to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    welp, I'm in. what's the status on trophies for rounds past?
    So far as I know, HunterKiller is still on the job.
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    A lot of people around here talk about Dragon Disciple, so I know I won't do well on my first try, but hey, it's worth a shot. I'll try submitting a build...after coming up with something. Eventually. Dragon is not my favorite flavor.

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    Not the DD I was hoping for, maybe I will judge

    Edit: @Kazyan I got second place with my first entry and I didn't think it would place given the quality of the entries, so it just goes to show give it a shot adn you might be surprised.
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    I'm in. I have like 5 builds stored up that use this class. I promise I'll submit just one.
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    Edit: @Kazyan I got second place with my first entry and I didn't think it would place given the quality of the entries, so it just goes to show give it a shot adn you might be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbprime View Post
    I'm in. I have like 5 builds stored up that use this class. I promise I'll submit just one.
    This is what I mean by the class being popular.

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    I am just about to put one post in and about to start work on my second which I already have the ingredients out and ready for.

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    I have a wonderfully strong build I will share with all of you, that uses all 10 levels of the PrC, and all of its class features! (Well, Blindsense works kinda conditionally, but you know what? Shut up.)

    So yeah, I'll be submitting something. And probably another couple builds too.

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    I have a question about the class. The prestige class says the bite is the primary and the claws are the secondary at -5. the half-dragon template, however, says the opposite, with the claws being primary and the bite secondary, as is normally the case. which are we going with for the purposes of this contest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    I have a question about the class. The prestige class says the bite is the primary and the claws are the secondary at -5. the half-dragon template, however, says the opposite, with the claws being primary and the bite secondary, as is normally the case. which are we going with for the purposes of this contest?
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    Sounds like there may be a lot of entries this round.

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    One done, lets see how many more I can get in.

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    Death Delver? Deep Diviner? Devoted Defender? Diamond Dragon? Disciple (of) Dispater? Divine Disciple? Doomdreamer? Dragon Descendant? Dragon Devotee? Dungeon Delver? Dwarven Defender?

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    Dragon Disciple eh, compared to the normal classes this one is practically wizard level. I'll try to put together an entry.
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    i've got one nice idea that i'll write up; i might think of more too. This should be a fun contest.

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    I have a wonderful idea for this. Oh lordy, this is going to be good.
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    Questions:

    Dragon Apotheosis: At 10th level, a dragon disciple takes on the half-dragon template. His breath weapon reaches full strength (as noted above), and he gains +4 to Strength and +2 to Charisma. His natural armor bonus increases to +4, and he acquires low-light vision, 60-foot darkvision, immunity to sleep and paralysis effects, and immunity to the energy type used by his breath weapon (see above).
    So, um, about that 10th level? According to (some would say silly) RAW verbiage in Complete Warrior, Dragon Disciple hits an unending disqualification/qualification loop when entering 10th level, as they become Half-Dragons, momentarily disqualifying them from the PrC that turned them into Half-Dragons. While amusing as heck, this loop - which some call Schrödinger's Apotheosis - should be wholly ignored for purposes of this contest. It's better for everyone's sanity.
    There are many differences between the benefits gained over the 10 levels of the class and the actual template. Are you saying above that the character takes on the template in addition to the abilities gained? that the template supersedes the other gains at 10th level? or something else? I've always assumed that the character doesn't actually inherit the template, but your "unending disqualification/qualification loop" seems to imply that you believe they do inherit the template and their type does change, etc. -- but then how does inheriting the template interact with all of the abilities they've already gained? You've got me very confused :P
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    This looks interesting, I'll have to toss up something good for this.

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