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2012-07-02, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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The entire point of me outlining that scenario was to demonstrate that there is no "apparent canon" beyond whatever biases you happen to bring into the episode. Both possibilities (and indeed a fair few more than that) are equally or almost as equally supported by what we see on screen and are told by the characters, which is the only point of comparison we really have. Equally as valid in the arena of maybes and explanations is the suggestion that Luna took heavily to gaming upon her return to Equestria and missed the changeling invasion because she was trying to patch Diablo 3. There's no point of contradiction except a very mild suggestion that the tech levels in Equestria aren't that high, except that occasionally treehouse libraries have underground super science laboratories with computers and everything, when it's funny or adds something to a scene.
The world of Equestria is fluid and meta as hell, and every author who's penned a script thus far has a different idea of quite the way it all works. That's awesome, by the way, and I think it captivates as many or more than it frustrates. But it does mean that when we're discussing canon, we really need to remember what we're talking about. We talk about apparent canon and we frame our discussions as though we're standing on the foundations of absolutes. But we aren't. We're applying analysis and critical thinking techniques to a children's cartoon show, and it helps to set the tenor of the discussion with that in mind.
I don't have a pony in this "Celly v Luna" race. I stepped in here to establish some grounding. Somepony says, "but we know X". No. We don't know X at all. We're simply not looking at Y right now.
SiuiS said he's railing against the promulgation of a lie, but there are no lies when there is no truth. The Royal Pony Sisters represent an infinite tapestry of possibilities. They are the swirling portal of rainbow light at the end of the universe, and if we're ever so lucky to catch a ride there we'll find out what in the heck that means. But until that day, we don't know anything. We can talk about what we think, or what interpretations we like best, and we can pull apart all of our favorite episodes and examine them for possible meaning and build arguments and write essays just like we were scholars prodding at the Iliad. I love it. I encourage it. Have fun with it, I implore you.
What I see happening instead is literal null space being pointed to as proof that someone else is wrong. Not hinting that there's another way to interpret things, but flat out calling an entire line of interpretation incorrect based on... what? Two scenes that don't exist. That isn't healthy, and it's exactly the kind of thing that takes a fun discussion and turns it into an argument.
Also, is it me or am I less good at making points in the context of a forum than I used to be? I feel like if I was able to physically speak on the topic I'd have been done yesterday. But then everybody would just tell me how cute I am again.
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2012-07-02, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Enterplay brought on three consultants from the fandom to help them figure out art and, interestingly, write the descriptions on each of the cards. What followed was a mad spree to canonize as many fan-favorite points as possible.
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2012-07-02, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could read it in Phoe's voice, have a sample.
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Well yeah but when at least I say as I will now "we know NMM beat Celestia" that's referring to the specific instance in the first episode. I have to take that scene at face value where given some leeway for artistic direction we have to take that as a loss. Ergo NMM is more powerful then Celestia.
(Which is separate but related to where Luna is at present)
Also, is it me or am I less good at making points in the context of a forum than I used to be? I feel like if I was able to physically speak on the topic I'd have been done yesterday. But then everybody would just tell me how cute I am again.
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2012-07-02, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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While slightly different, this comic does a good job of explaining what is going on.
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Effectively, you can have dogmatic disputes about anything.
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2012-07-02, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Language question: Do ponies speak Equestrian, Common, Basic, or Pony?
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2012-07-02, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 06:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Common" doesn't really make sense as a language. It's used in D&D to represent a common speaking tongue, but I've never heard of a language being referred to as just Common.
Basic could make sense, although is a bit derogatory and implying there is a 'higher' or 'better' language spoken. Speaking Pony would be like speaking Human. Equestrian makes the most sense, as a lot of languages get named after their location or influences - although one would wonder what the name of the language was before ponies moves to Equestria.
Overall though, come up with a reason for the language's name that makes sense. If it called Basic or Common because it really was a commoner's trade language back in Princess Platinum's time, and ended up becoming the regular tongue once merchantile picked up, then the name would make more sense than something like Equestrian.
Canterlot might be an appropriate name, as well. Didn't Luna proclaim her speech to be the "Royal Canterlot Voice" after all?SpoilerThank you to zimmerwald1915 for the Gustave avatar.
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2012-07-02, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed?
We know that Nightmare Moon acts in a particular way, which many of us perceive as triumphant.
We know that Celestia does not appear on-screen at the same time as Nightmare Moon, or even while NMM is free.
We infer that Nightmare Moon overpowered Celestia shortly before revealing herself to Ponyville.
This is a common interpretation, but as Phoe pointed out, it is neither canonically confirmed nor the only plausible explanation of the observable facts.Level 4 Bibliophile/Level 3 Bard, working toward the Bibliomancer Prestige Class
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2012-07-02, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Twilight Sparkle doesn't speak Squirrel.
Perhaps she really does speak Pony, instead.
Or Horse. Then they could refer to the language they spoke before the founding of Equestria as Old Horse.
Alternatively, it could simply be English, in as much as there is such a thing as French.
There's also the fact that Celestia appears pretty much the moment the Mane 6 beat Nightmare Moon to further complicate matters.Last edited by Tiki Snakes; 2012-07-02 at 06:21 PM.
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2012-07-02, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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You might be tired, y'know, what with the giant con event that just happened in addition to all your normal responsibilities which I presume take up a sizable amount of time out of your day.
Equestrian gets my vote. Do you speak Human or English, the language derived primarily from the culture and people of England?
Just got through Part 7, which is also the infamous Varia suit bit, and the first "F**k you, Sakamoto"
I am so glad I never touched this game. It should be sitting somewhere in the 30s or 40s on Metacritic. Everything about it looks bad. I cannot BELIEVE that it had defenders in the press, because it should be ripped apart as a lesson of how not to do gameplay and story line segregation, or voice acting, or as a warning of the dangers of Telling instead of Showing. I don't consider myself a Metroid fan boy, having only played Super and the first Prime, but this is actually making me mad as I watch it.
Also, if I ever needed to come up with a Canadian pony name, Maple Leaf is pretty perfect. And Olive Branch sounds like and excellent diplomat.Proof-reading is totally unnecessary in the digital age now that we have spell cheque.
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2012-07-02, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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That was quite well put and I agree that we can't speak in absolutes. I do, however, think that one can build a relatively persuasive case for some theories, while other theories have a less persuasive case. To put it in probabilities, existing factual evidence from the show (discounting all outside show comments as never finalized) still might make certain theories 80% likely, while others would be 20% likely.
So, Luna being on Diablo III I would put around 1% or less. First off, we've never see video games in Equestria, and second, if Luna was patching and playing D3, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have made it back for the wedding reception.
In comparison, I think that the idea of Luna being more powerful than Celestia is supported by a substantial weight of the evidence, but less than would be needed to clearly convince me. So maybe 60-65% chance of that one being right. I base that mostly on the initial story, which is structured to present Celestia as being forced to turn to a powerful option because of the dire straights she was in. We also see in the opener that Celestia is gone and that the night endures for the entire time until Nightmare Moon was defeated, which suggests that Celestia was not able to raise the sun until that point. I don't find Luna's reappearance particularly convincing either way, though seeing her hair changed to be like Celestia, it does at least imply a similar level of magic compared to her restoration following the season 1 opener.
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2012-07-02, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I see. Thanks for that summary.
I'm upset that a Metroid Game was ever ruined... and by (the left overs of) Team Ninja, no less.
Intergalactic Bounty Hunter who kicks so much butt she needs a new suit that has upgraded shoes. Add Gameplay that enables her to kick even more butt. Season with a slightly different location to blow up at the end, and with different creatures that require new fantastic weapons to destroy. Allow Samus to keep being a badass.
I don't see what part of that formula needed to be screwed up.Last edited by INoKnowNames; 2012-07-02 at 06:40 PM.
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2012-07-02, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes it should have. Or had Trixie come back as Mare Do Well. Its not like they could make that episode worse.
Personally I think Luna is more powerful then Celestia. She's also the more 'wild' sister. So while Celestia shoots a solar flare that would precisly hit one target, Luna would blow up the entire throne room. Or create a giant hurricane. Basically it's the difference between a scalpel and a sledgehammer.
However it is also possible that Luna lost a lot of power after getting blaster by the EoHSpoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2012-07-02, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, Trixie! I just realised who you're talking about! I watched that episode today! As for her coming back into the series... honestly, that sounds kinda eh... She got served, big time. She'd need to learn some new tricks before she could show her face again...
It'd be interesting for her, after being shown up by Twilight Sparkle, to have put more practice into being able to perform her magic, and try to challenge her nemesis... Magic Competition!You can call me anything. I've been called Inkin, Nono, INo, Names, and NoKnow so far.
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2012-07-02, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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She doesn't know what the name of squirrel language is. She doesn't speak Squirrel, after all.
I will take this as meaning a couture by a pony named French Haute until proven otherwise, just to be stubbron.
Sure we have. We haven't seen any online PC games, though.
I wouldn't say Luna is stronger than Celestia, but that Nightmare Moon has an advantage over her. It probably makes a bit of sense, as Celestia is unlikely to want to hurt her sister much while NMM wouldn't have many such reservations - Celestia may be stronger, but not strong enough to pacify her sister simply.
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2012-07-02, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-02, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can pretty much guarantee it isn't. The title Super Naturals: Natural Cures That Are Just Super just appears to be a plant, while Daring Do and the Quest for the Sapphire Stone looks almost identical to english lettering. I'm sure we can find more examples of the local language either appearing to be English, appearing as blocky "gibberish", or just not appearing at all.
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