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    The Destined Hero



    ”I don't fight this war for king or country. I don't fight because of some vaunted ideal or oath sworn on holy texts. I fight because I know – because I have always known – that this is the only path to finding my destiny.” - Cedric Torirad, Fated Warrior


    Adventures: Destined Heroes adventure for as many reasons as there are heroes, though one and all they are drawn by a force behind their understanding to seek their destiny, some knowingly, others unwittingly. Where one Destined Hero might spend a life seeking out ever mightier foes to challenge, another could just as easily desire a life of ease and relaxation but constantly find himself pulled from one fateful event to another, like a leaf drawn inexorably down the river of destiny.

    Characteristics: Destined Heroes are capable physical combatants that rely on sudden bursts of insight, luck, or divine inspiration to make the most of their abilities. A Destined Hero's precise role in an adventuring group varies based on his destiny; Divine Guardians inspire their allies to greater glory while shielding them from harm, whereas Fated Warriors deliver precise, debilitating strikes, and Charming Scoundrels turn seemingly inconsequential attacks into deadly blows by twisting luck to their advantage.

    Alignment: Destined Heroes may be of any alignment. While the majority of Destined Heroes are good-aligned, evil ones (typically called Antiheroes) spring up to champion darker causes with some regularity. Divine Guardians tend toward lawful alignments, while Charming Scoundrels tend to be chaotic in nature.

    Religion: Destined Heroes are not constrained by religion in any way, though Divine Guardians tend towards membership in a church organization. Many Destined Heroes favor the gods of luck or destiny, such as Istus and Olidammara.

    Background: Destined Heroes can come from any background. Sons of farmers are as likely to discover their destiny calling as are daughters of nobility. All share one similarity however: a sudden, intense calling to take up arms and seek their destiny, even if they had never held a weapon before.

    Races: Any race can give birth to a Destined Hero, and all have their own champions. Humans are the most likely to become Destined Heroes, given their tenacity and ability to adapt. Surprisingly, Warforged also possess a large number of Destined Heroes, the very nature of their existence driving them to seek their true place in the world.

    GAME RULE INFORMATION
    Destined Heroes have the following game statistics.
    Abilities: As primarily physical combatants, Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution are all important for a Destined Hero. Many class features rely on a Destined Hero's force of will, so a respectable Charisma score is always a boon.
    Alignment: Any. Evil Destined Heroes are typically referred to as Antiheroes, and replace any mention of sacred bonuses or damage with profane bonuses or damage.
    Hit Die: d8
    Starting Age: Simple.
    Starting Gold: 4d4x10

    Class Skills
    The Destined Hero's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Appraise (Int), Balance (Dex), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (history) (Int), Knowledge (local) (Int), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Wis), and Spot (Wis)
    Skills Points at Each Level: 4 + int; x4 at 1st level

    {table="head"]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort|Ref|Will|Special|Action Points

    1st|+0|+2|+0|+0|Heroic Archetype|1

    2nd|+1|+3|+0|+0|To Raise the Sword|2

    3rd|+2|+3|+1|+1|The Body of a Hero, The Mind of a Hero|2

    4th|+3|+4|+1|+1|To Seek the Heavens|2

    5th|+3|+4|+1|+1|Archetype Ability|2

    6th|+4|+5|+2|+2|To Forge a Legend|3

    7th|+5|+5|+2|+2|To Shatter the Mountains|3

    8th|+6/+1|+6|+2|+2|To Strike Down the Wicked|3

    9th|+6/+1|+6|+3|+3|To Avenge the Fallen|3

    10th|+7/+2|+7|+3|+3|Archetype Ability|3

    11th|+8/+3|+7|+3|+3|To Seek the Answers|4

    12th|+9/+4|+8|+4|+4|To Persevere|4

    13th|+9/+4|+8|+4|+4|To Endure the Trials|4

    14th|+10/+5|+9|+4|+4|To Inspire the Meek|4

    15th|+11/+6/+1|+9|+5|+5|Archetype Ability|4

    16th|+12/+7/+2|+10|+5|+5|To Transcend Mortal Limitations|5

    17th|+12/+7/+2|+10|+5|+5|To Deny Fate|5

    18th|+13/+8/+3|+11|+6|+6|To Change a Destiny|5

    19th|+14/+9/+4|+11|+6|+6|To Challenge the Gods|5

    20th|+15/+10/+5|+12|+6|+6|Nexus of Many Lives|6[/table]

    Class Features: All of the following are class features of the Destined Hero.

    Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: Destined Heroes are proficient with all simple weapons and with the longsword and shortbow, and one other martial weapon of their choice. Destined Heroes are proficient with light and medium armor and with light and heavy shields (but not tower shields).

    Action Points: At the start of each encounter, a Destined Hero gains a number of temporary action points according to his class level, as shown on the table above. In addition to the normal uses for action points, several Destined Hero abilities require them to be expended for use. If your campaign features action points normally, a Destined Hero can use either his pool of temporary action points or the action points he receives for his level to use his abilities. Activating a Destined Hero ability does not count against the one action point per round use limitation.

    For every 10 points of Charisma a Destined Hero possesses, he receives an additional action point per encounter.

    Heroic Archetype: Upon taking the first level of Destined Hero, you choose which of the following four destinies you will follow. Once made, this choice is permanent. Your choice of destiny determines your starting talents, as well as the ability granted by your archetype ability at levels 5th, 10th, and 15th.
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    Ancestor's Spirit: The wisdom of generations of those who came before floods your mind. Your destiny has been set since before you were even born, placed on your family by long ago prophecy or ancient magicks.

    Knowledge (arcana) and Spellcraft are always considered class skills for you, and you gain a +2 class bonus on any skill checks made with these skills. Further, you gain the Least Ancestral Manifestation class feature and two additional skill points per level (quadrupled at first level, as normal).

    Least Ancestral Manifestation (Su): As a free action at the start of each encounter, you may call upon the guidance of your ancestors, causing them to manifest in swirls of incarnum. You shape a single soulmeld from the Soulborn soulmeld list. Your meldshaper level is equal to your class level when determining the effectiveness of this soulmeld, as well as the amount of essentia that may be invested in it. The chosen soulmeld is treated as if it were fully filled with essentia, though you do not actually gain a pool of essentia to use.

    1d6 minutes after the encounter ends, the chosen soulmeld unshapes. You may freely select the soulmeld chosen by this ability at the start of each encounter, and may choose the same soulmeld for consecutive encounters even after it has been unshaped. While this soulmeld is shaped, your pool of action points for the encounter is reduced by 1.

    Charming Scoundrel: You have a natural talent for charming or deceiving others. Even fate seems to smile on your efforts, turning simple attacks into impossibly potent blows seemingly on a whim.

    Bluff and Diplomacy are always considered class skills for you, and you gain a +2 class bonus on any skill checks made with these skills. Further, you gain the Lucky Strike class feature, and one additional action point per encounter.

    Lucky Strike (Ex): As an attack action (that is, an attack derived from a standard or full attack action, or as an attack of opportunity), you may spend one action point to deliver a lucky strike with a melee attack. You add your Charisma bonus to the attack roll, and if it hits, the attack deals an additional 1d6 points of damage. At 3rd level and every two levels thereafter, the bonus damage dealt by a lucky strike increases by 1d6 points. You may only turn a single attack per round into a lucky strike.


    Devoted Guardian: The fires of divine guidance burn within you, fueling your every action. Whether it is the direct manifestation of divine will or simply a fortunate twist of fate, the gods watch over you, as you in turn watch over others.

    Intimidate and Knowledge (religion) are always considered class skills for you, and you gain a +2 class bonus on any skill checks made with these skills. Further, you gain the Adamant Defender class feature, two additional hit points per class level, and proficiency with heavy armor and tower shields.

    Adamant Defender (Su): The force of your conviction, coupled with the will of your divine patron, deadens the blows of those who would harm your allies. Whenever an enemy that can detect you deals damage to an ally within 60 feet of you, that damage is reduced by 1, plus an additional 1 point at 3rd level and every two levels thereafter. Whenever this ability reduces damage dealt to an ally, you gain a sacred bonus equal to the damage reduced to attack and damage rolls on the following round. For the purpose of this ability, the Destined Hero is not considered an ally of himself.


    Fated Warrior: The vague memories of a thousand past lives swirl in your mind, lending you flashes of incredible insight. While you can go wrong if you willingly attempt to do so, simply flowing with the course of life always seems to bring you good fortune.

    Concentration and Martial Lore are always considered class skills for you, and you gain a +2 class bonus on any skill checks made with these skills. Further, you gain the Strike of Destiny class feature, and one additional hit point per class level.

    Strike of Destiny (Ex): By expending one action point, you may initiate any strike maneuver from the Diamond Mind or Iron Heart disciplines. You do not need to know the strike maneuver you choose, and you may freely select the initiated maneuver each time you use this ability. When initiating this strike, your initiator level is equal to your class level, even if it would normally be higher. You may only initiate strikes of a level an initiator of your class level would have access to (thus, 1st level strikes at level 1, 2nd at level 3, and so on), and once you have initiated a strike of a given level, you cannot initiate another of the same level for the duration of the encounter. Thus, a 17th level Fated Warrior could initiate the time stands still Diamond Mind strike, and would be unable to initiate any other 9th level strikes for the duration of the encounter. The same Fated Warrior could also initiate the adamantine hurricane Iron Heart strike, and would be unable to initiate any other 8th level strikes for the duration of the encounter.


    To Raise the Sword (Ex and Su): Beginning at 2nd level, any melee weapon, armor, or shield that the Destined Hero wears is treated as being of at least masterwork quality.

    Further, by spending at least eight hours in study, prayer, or other such activity with a weapon, shield, or suit of armor, you may forge a bond with that item to grant it an enhancement bonus or enchantment based on your class level, as shown on the table below. You may only have one item bonded at a given time, though you may repeat this process with a new item if you wish, losing the bond with the first item as you do so. Bonding an item is a draining process, which manifests as an experience point cost based on the desired enhancement level.

    {table=head]Class level|Item Bonus|XP Cost**
    1st-2nd|N/A|--
    3rd-4th|+1|80
    5th-6th|+2|320
    7th-8th|+3|720
    9th-10th|+4|1,280
    11th-12th|+5|2,000
    13th-14th|+6*|2,880
    15th-16th|+7*|3,920
    17th-18th|+8*|5,120
    19th|+9*|6,480
    20th|+10*|8,000[/table]
    *A bonded item can't actually have an enhancement bonus higher than +5, but it can have special abilities that are the equivalent of additional bonuses. Use these lines on the table to determine the XP cost when special abilities are added to a bonded item.
    **The XP cost shown here assumes that the bonded item does not already have an enhancement bonus. If it does, the cost to enhance it is reduced. For example, if a Destined Warrior has a +1 longsword and wants to increase its enhancement bonus to +3, he may do so by paying the difference in XP cost between +1 and +3 on the table above (720 minus 80, or 640 XP).


    The Body of a Hero (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, a Destined Hero gains a +1 inherent bonus to his Strength score, and a +1 inherent bonus to the lowest of either Constitution or Dexterity. At 6th level, and again every 3 levels beyond, this bonus increases by an additional point, each time applying the secondary inherent bonus to the lowest score at that level.

    The Mind of a Hero (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, a Destined Hero gains a +1 inherent bonus to his Charisma score, and a +1 inherent bonus to the lowest of either Intelligence or Wisdom. At 6th level, and again every 3 levels beyond, this bonus increases by an additional point, each time applying the secondary inherent bonus to the lowest score at that level.

    To Seek the Heavens (Ex): At 4th level, a Destined Hero gains Leap of the Heavens as a bonus feat. The Destined Hero gains a class bonus to jump checks equal to his class level, and never takes falling damage from vertical jumps.

    Archetype Abilities (Ex or Su): At 5th level, a Destined Hero gains one of the following abilities, based on his heroic archetype.

    Ancestor's Spirit - Lesser Ancestral Manifestation (Su): When you call upon your ancestors in an encounter, you may now shape two soulmelds from the Soulborn list, and you gain the ability to bind one of the chosen soulmelds to your Crown, Feet, or Hands chakra. For each shaped soulmeld, your pool of action points for the encounter is reduced by 1.

    Charming Scoundrel – Unlucky Strikes (Su): Whenever you deliver a lucky strike in combat, you may sacrifice a number of bonus damage dice to force the struck foe to succeed on a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Charisma modifier) or suffer an equivalent luck penalty to AC and saving throws until the end of your next turn.

    Devoted Guardian – Lay on Hands (Su): You gain the Lay on Hands ability, as the Paladin ability of the same name.

    Fated Warrior – Guided Strike (Ex): Once per encounter, by spending an action point as a standard action, you may deliver a Guided Strike with a melee weapon. The attack ignores all miss chances due to concealment, ignores the armor bonus afforded by cover, and automatically bypasses miss chance due to spells such as mirror image.

    At 10th level, the Destined Hero again gains a new ability based on his heroic archetype.

    Ancestor's Spirit - Greater Ancestral Manifestation (Su): When you call upon your ancestors in an encounter, you may now shape three soulmelds from the Soulborn list, and you gain the ability to bind two of the chosen soulmelds to your Arms, Brow, or Shoulder chakras, in addition to any other binds that might be available to you. For each shaped soulmeld, your pool of action points for the encounter is reduced by 1.

    Charming Scoundrel – Deadly Fortune (Ex): By spending a second action point when delivering a lucky strike, the Destined Hero may maximize all bonus damage dealt by the lucky strike.

    Devoted Guardian – Holy Boon (Su): By spending an action point as a swift action, the Destined Hero may grant himself the effect of either a death ward or divine power spell, with a caster level equal to his class level.

    Fated Warrior – Martial Cadence (Ex): Whenever you activate and successfully strike with two martial strikes in consecutive rounds, you regain two action points for the encounter.

    At 15th level, the Destined Hero again gains a new ability based on his heroic archetype.

    Ancestor's Spirit - Complete Ancestral Manifestation (Su): When you call upon your ancestors in an encounter, you may now shape four soulmelds from the Soulborn list, and you gain the ability to bind three of the chosen soulmelds to your Throat or Waist chakras, in addition to any other binds that might be available to you. For each shaped soulmeld, your pool of action points for the encounter is reduced by 1.

    Charming Scoundrel – Killer Luck (Ex): Whenever he delivers a lucky strike in combat, the Destined Hero may sacrifice all bonus damage dice to force the struck foe to succeed on a Fortitude save (DC 10 + damage dice sacrificed + Str or Cha modifier, whichever is higher) or be slain instantly. Once a given creature has been subjected to this effect, is it immune to further attempts to slay it in this manner for 24 hours.

    Devoted Guardian – Favor of the Martyr (Su): By spending one action point as a swift action, the Destined Hero may grant himself the effect of the favor of the martyr spell, with a caster level equal to his class level.

    Fated Warrior – Fated Strike (Ex): Once per encounter, by expending an action point as a standard action, the Destined Hero may make a single attack with a melee weapon against a foe he threatens. The attack automatically hits, without the need for an attack roll, bypassing all miss chances, concealment, magical defenses, and so on. A fated strike ignores damage reduction and regeneration, and the damage dealt cannot be healed magically. A fated strike does not trigger contingency effects, and immediate actions cannot be taken in response to a fated strike. This attack deals damage equal to the base damage of the weapon used and the Strength modifier to damage, plus any enhancement or enchantment bonuses to damage the weapon possesses, plus any weapon-specific feats that would increase the damage of the attack (such as the Weapon Specialization feat), but not Power Attack, etc., bonuses to damage.

    To Forge a Legend: Starting at 6th level, the Destined Hero's influence in the world begins to show in ever growing numbers of followers. The Destined Hero attracts NPC class followers as if he possessed the Leadership feat, though he never gains a cohort.

    Further, at this level, the Destined Hero's destiny becomes important enough to manifest as a bubble in the weaves of fate. Despite his best efforts to avoid such a fate, should the Destined Hero ever find death, that is not the end. His destiny lives on, seeking a new host to see it to completion. 1d4 days after the Destined Hero's death, one of his followers is struck by the same sudden, intense calling that led the original hero down his path. The follower immediately loses all other class levels it may have possessed, and gains a number of Destined Hero levels equal to the original hero's level in life (thus, a Fighter 10/Destined Hero 6 would be reborn as a Destined Hero 16). The player is under no obligation to continue playing the newly risen Destined Hero, but should he do so, the new hero is a member of the original hero's race (or, at the DM's discretion, another race of the same ECL), with the same base ability scores. The new hero might instinctively know where to find the body of the fallen Destined Hero, or they might already possess equipment equivalent in value to the possessions the Destined Hero previously had, at the DM's discretion.

    To Shatter the Mountains (Ex): Starting at 7th level, the Destined Hero may expend one action point to overcome a number of points of damage reduction equal to his class level with all melee attacks for one round.

    To Strike Down the Wicked (Ex): Starting at 8th level, the Destined Hero gains a +1 competence bonus on all attack rolls, damage rolls, and saving throws against a creature with an alignment opposed to his own on the good/evil axis. A neutral Destined Hero must choose whether to be opposed to either good or evil when he gains this ability.

    To Avenge the Fallen (Ex): Starting at 9th level, whenever one of the Destined Hero's companions is slain, rendered unconscious, or permanently incapacitated within the range of his detection, he gains a morale bonus to attack and damage rolls and saving throws equal to his Charisma bonus for the duration of the encounter. This morale bonus stacks with any other morale bonuses the Destined Hero may possess.

    To Seek the Answers (Su): Starting at 11th level, once per week the Destined Hero may question Fate itself. The Destined Hero may use commune as a supernatural ability, with a caster level equal to his class level. The answers the Destined Hero receives are always as accurate as possible, but only so long as they pertain directly to him or his destiny; otherwise, Fate twists the answers in such a way as to lead the Destined Hero toward his destiny while revealing as little as possible on the subject of the actual questions asked (though the Destined Hero never receives a directly false answer).

    To Persevere (Ex): Starting at 12th level, by expending an action point as a nonaction whenever he fails a Will save, the Destined Hero may delay the effects of the failed save by one round.

    To Endure the Trials (Ex): Starting at 13th level, by expending an action point as a nonaction whenever he fails a Fortitude save, the Destined Hero may delay the effects of the failed save by one round.

    To Inspire the Meek (Ex): Starting at 14th level, the Destined Hero may instill previously unrealized capability within an ally. By expending an action point as a swift action, the Destined Hero may grant an ally within line of sight the use of a single feat he possesses. The chosen ally gains the ability to use the selected feat as if he naturally possessed it, ignoring any prerequisites the feat might require. This effect persists until the beginning of the Destined Hero's next turn, at which point the ally loses the ability to make use of the feat.

    To Transcend Mortal Limitations (Ex): Starting at 16th level, the Destined Hero no longer loses consciousness until he reaches -10 HP (or the point at which he would normally die, if lower), and may continue fighting without penalty until he reaches that point. Further, whenever an attack or ability would reduce him to -10 HP or lower, the Destined Hero may expend an action point as a nonaction to remain alive and conscious for one more round; he is not healed, he simply refuses to surrender to his injuries. Each round after the first, up to a maximum number of rounds equal to half his Constitution bonus (minimum of 2 total rounds), the Destined Hero may expend another action point to remain alive, provided he has not been healed by that time. If the Destined Hero runs out of action points (or has consumed all of his available rounds of this ability) while below his threshold for death, he dies.

    To Deny Fate (Ex): Starting at 17th level, once per encounter the Destined Hero may expend an action point to reroll a roll – any roll, including attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, or so on – twice and take the highest of the three results.

    To Change a Destiny (Su): Starting at 18th level, once per day the Destined Hero may, as an immediate action, undo the events of a single creature for one round. When you activate this ability, you undo all the events of the turn of whichever creature is currently acting, and they begin their turn again. This includes moving yourself and any other creatures back to the positions they occupied at the start of the turn, removing any damage or other conditions (harmful or beneficial) that have occurred during the turn, and in all other ways “resetting” events. All affected creatures are aware of the events of the now nonexistent turn, but they are free to make entirely different choices from the ones they originally made.

    To Challenge the Gods: Starting at 19th level, all weapons the Destined Hero uses are considered Epic for the purpose of overcoming epic damage reduction. The actual enhancement bonuses of wielded weapons do not increase, but the Destined Hero can bypass DR/epic as if he were wielding weapons with a +6 or greater enhancement bonus.

    Nexus of Many Lives: At 20th level, the Destined Hero fully awakens, gaining access to the knowledge of each of his past lives. Once per day, he may draw upon the power of one of the following incarnations, using the effect listed.

    The Warrior (Ex): As a standard action, you may make a full attack with a +20 base attack bonus. All attacks in the full attack are made at your highest attack bonus, without suffering a penalty for iterative attacks.

    The Arcanist (Sp): You may replicate the effects of any Sorcerer/Wizard spell of 6th level or lower, provided the spell has a casting time no greater than 1 round.

    The Disciple (Sp): You may replicate the effects of any Cleric spell of 6th level or lower, provided the spell has a casting time no greater than 3 rounds, and does not have an alignment descriptor opposed to your alignment.

    The Savant: You may make a single skill check with a skill in which you are trained with a +60 insight bonus.
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    Body of a Hero and Mind of a Hero should give +2 bonuses, but at longer intervals. The Action Points should have a similar progression to the Factotum's inspiration points. Other than that, I like this class.
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    Inherents bonuses are limited to +5, aren't they?

    To raise the swords is weird. There should never be an XP cost to obtain a class feature, and having every item on himself, all the time, become masterwork weapon/armor/shield seems a bit powerful, especially if you can use three or more weapons at the same time.

    To challenge the gods isn't better, because you can override the DR of the Tarasque, the gods and the abominations before reaching epic levels.

    The savant incarnation for Nexus of Many Lives should give half the actual bonus.

    Lastly, I think giving him a good will save progression is more appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Network View Post
    Inherents bonuses are limited to +5, aren't they?
    I'm not aware of that being an actual rule, only a limitation of the wish spell and tomes.

    To raise the swords is weird. There should never be an XP cost to obtain a class feature, and having every item on himself, all the time, become masterwork weapon/armor/shield seems a bit powerful, especially if you can use three or more weapons at the same time.
    And yet people think the Kensai is the bee's knees, while this can do it without PrCing. What a strange world we live in.

    Masterwork weapons at level 2 aren't all that special, and if you have three of them, well, you're probably not ECL 2 in that case.

    To challenge the gods isn't better, because you can override the DR of the Tarasque, the gods and the abominations before reaching epic levels.
    That's sorta the point, yes. You might not have a very good shot at winning, but it's meant to make the matchup with an epic critter sporting.

    The savant incarnation for Nexus of Many Lives should give half the actual bonus.
    Mmm, I don't think so. It's meant to be an auto-success on most skills, and give you a fair shot at swimming up a waterfalls or balancing on a cloud if you invested heavily in those skills.

    Lastly, I think giving him a good will save progression is more appropriate.
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    I'm not aware of that being an actual rule, only a limitation of the wish spell and tomes.
    It also apply to epic spells, go see why. Somewhere in the DMG (don't have it in english, sorry), bonus types are discussed. Inherents bonuses are limited to +5 whatever the mean.

    A melee fighter without a good Fortitude save? Hwah?
    Samurai has both.

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    Personnaly, I love the feeling of the class. There is, still, some points that bother me:

    -why only one good save? either make will strong too, either makes their saves changing. The scoundrel could have will and ref good, the guardian will and fort, and the fated fort and ref.

    -for "to persevere", I would have simply given Mettle to the class.

    -As written, the Warrior capstone simply gives you a +5 to your attacks of the turn, as well as bypassing penalties from iterative attacks. It isn't such a great thing. Maybe you mean "you make a full attack with a +20 bonus to your base attack bonus" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Network View Post
    It also apply to epic spells, go see why. Somewhere in the DMG (don't have it in english, sorry), bonus types are discussed. Inherents bonuses are limited to +5 whatever the mean.
    Oh well. "Specific trumps general" is also a core rule, so I'm not too bothered by it.

    Samurai has both.
    I think the chassis is strong enough without two good saves, or else I would have included it. Thematically it makes sense for them to have good Will progression too, but I don't think the class needs the extra help mechanically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silphael View Post
    -why only one good save? either make will strong too, either makes their saves changing. The scoundrel could have will and ref good, the guardian will and fort, and the fated fort and ref.
    This was actually one of the core concepts I had included in the first draft of the class. Fated Warriors received a +2 class bonus to Fortitude saves, Charming Scoundrels got Reflex as an additional good save progression, and Devoted Guardians had a good Will save progression. However, running the numbers in a general sense, I decided the class didn't need the help.

    -for "to persevere", I would have simply given Mettle to the class.
    That's one option. I think it's a little boring though.

    -As written, the Warrior capstone simply gives you a +5 to your attacks of the turn, as well as bypassing penalties from iterative attacks. It isn't such a great thing. Maybe you mean "you make a full attack with a +20 bonus to your base attack bonus" ?
    It allows you to make a full attack as a standard action, which opens up some strong tactical possibilities. And ignoring a -5, -10, and -15 penalty isn't exactly something to sneeze at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarian View Post
    The Body of a Hero (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, a Destined Hero gains a +1 inherent bonus to his Strength score, and a +1 inherent bonus to the lowest of either Constitution or Dexterity. At 6th level, and again every 3 levels beyond, this bonus increases by an additional point.

    The Mind of a Hero (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, a Destined Hero gains a +1 inherent bonus to his Charisma score, and a +1 inherent bonus to the lowest of either Intelligence or Wisdom. At 6th level, and again every 3 levels beyond, this bonus increases by an additional point.
    It's unclear whether you continue to raise the lower of the two abilities or whether the first-raised ability continues to go up. Clarification would be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temotei View Post
    It's unclear whether you continue to raise the lower of the two abilities or whether the first-raised ability continues to go up. Clarification would be good.
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    This is nice, especially as a "nothing special" warrior; there really aren't too many flashy abilities, and that makes me happy.

    Though I do agree that they should get the Factotum's progression instead of the one you give them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Though I do agree that they should get the Factotum's progression instead of the one you give them now.
    The Factotum has abilities that require two or three (or four; Cunning Brilliance, though I'm not sure people go Factotum 20 instead of Factotum 10/Chameleon10) Inspiration Points, and does not receive bonus points for a high Intelligence score. An average Destined Hero will add 1-2 Action Points per encounter, and a Charming Scoundrel receives another on on top of that. This, coupled with the fact that Action Points can do so much, led me to the number that I have on the table.
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    Looked over the class, have to say I liked it. It's easier to list the things I disliked about it than the ones that seemed quite well made.

    There are a few abilities that struck me as potentially rather strong, though.

    1st level: I'm assuming that this goes with the SRD action points as opposed to the ones presented in the Eberron Campaign Setting book. This unfortunately means a Cunning Scoundrel 1/Caster X can cast 3 persisted spells an encounter.

    Devoted Guardian: The sacred bonus will leave them definitely having the highest to hit of anyone. Not necessarily bad but ends up with +6 to hit compared to full bab so something to watch out for. Really this just makes you a target but coupled with Divine Power as a swift action it might be a little much (something to check for in play testing).

    Unlucky Strikes at 13th level means if you hit something with your attack and then the wizard casts a death effect it's dead. At 15th level you just need 2 hits within 2 rounds to make them make a Fort save at -8 or die. Again my gut says this is a little strong compared to warblade (which is my main standard of comparison I'll admit).

    To Forge a Legend: This is the only ability I really, really disliked. Not because I think it's brokenly powerful which I don't. Heck I even liked the leadership portion despite regularly banning Leadership and classes which copy it. What I don't like is the effectively auto-resurrection at 6th level. Yes I understand someone could also hunt down and kill your followers but I don't like auto-resurrection in general. Consider this a personal pet peeve more than anything else.

    To Avenge the Fallen: I love the ability, but I do worry about how powerful it might be on a Devoted Guardian. Thankfully your charisma should be relatively low compared to a sorcerer's so it's not as bad I my first reaction says it is.

    To Deny Fate: I like the ability but at this level I might make it a little better than just a reroll, I remember someone doing the math for a reroll and coming up with it being worth approximately +5 which is the same as a normal action point would have been worth, so maybe add +2 to the reroll?

    To Change a Destiny: Does it reset everything the creature did during its last turn before this one or only has already done during this turn? Does it reset all actions taken by other people since then? I love the ability, in fact I've tried to make a 9th level spell with a similar effect to what I think it does, but the ability is a little unclear. Perhaps add an example of it in use to clarify what it does.

    The commune ability also bugs me a little (I don't like commune in general) but I like the limits and the flavor which makes it passable even if it's not one of my favorite abilities.

    To Seek the Heavens is kind of meh. I rather neutral on it.

    I don't have much to say about the other abilities except that I really liked them, and I'm going to add this to my list of homebrew to keep an eye on. Don't let it feel like a harsh review, I don't see the need to single out things I like only the things that bothered me. In this case if I didn't mention an ability assume I really liked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydos View Post
    1st level: I'm assuming that this goes with the SRD action points as opposed to the ones presented in the Eberron Campaign Setting book. This unfortunately means a Cunning Scoundrel 1/Caster X can cast 3 persisted spells an encounter.
    I heartily encourage you to smite anyone who tries that with a DMG.

    Devoted Guardian: The sacred bonus will leave them definitely having the highest to hit of anyone. Not necessarily bad but ends up with +6 to hit compared to full bab so something to watch out for. Really this just makes you a target but coupled with Divine Power as a swift action it might be a little much (something to check for in play testing).
    That's the point. If the enemies try to focus on your allies instead of you, they get smacked hard. I wanted this to be an active-defender, rather than passively taunting things with Goad or similar effects.

    Unlucky Strikes at 13th level means if you hit something with your attack and then the wizard casts a death effect it's dead.
    Probably. Wizards can already penalize saves though, and teamwork isn't a bad thing.

    At 15th level you just need 2 hits within 2 rounds to make them make a Fort save at -8 or die. Again my gut says this is a little strong compared to warblade (which is my main standard of comparison I'll admit).
    Ehhh. A 15th level Warblade can use Girallon Windmill Fleshrip, doing so much damage it might as well be a Save-or-Die targeting AC instead of Fort.

    To Avenge the Fallen: I love the ability, but I do worry about how powerful it might be on a Devoted Guardian. Thankfully your charisma should be relatively low compared to a sorcerer's so it's not as bad I my first reaction says it is.
    Well, the trigger condition is your ally just got killed, so how often does that happen?

    To Deny Fate: I like the ability but at this level I might make it a little better than just a reroll, I remember someone doing the math for a reroll and coming up with it being worth approximately +5 which is the same as a normal action point would have been worth, so maybe add +2 to the reroll?
    Maybe. I considered adding the Fatespinner's ability to force enemy rerolls on that ability, but the class started to feel bloated with powerful options.

    To Change a Destiny: Does it reset everything the creature did during its last turn before this one or only has already done during this turn? Does it reset all actions taken by other people since then? I love the ability, in fact I've tried to make a 9th level spell with a similar effect to what I think it does, but the ability is a little unclear. Perhaps add an example of it in use to clarify what it does.
    You activate the ability as an immediate action on the turn of a creature that took actions you didn't like. Everything it did on that turn is undone, and it can act again.

    Will add an example later.

    I don't have much to say about the other abilities except that I really liked them, and I'm going to add this to my list of homebrew to keep an eye on. Don't let it feel like a harsh review, I don't see the need to single out things I like only the things that bothered me. In this case if I didn't mention an ability assume I really liked it.
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    I don't know why, but I saw the title of the thread and clicked because "Legend of Zelda based class? Hrm. Might as well at least give it a look."

    Then I saw it was by you but not Zelda based, and so I'm going to go ahead and subscribe and give you a PEACH later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NineThePuma View Post
    I don't know why, but I saw the title of the thread and clicked because "Legend of Zelda based class? Hrm. Might as well at least give it a look."

    Then I saw it was by you but not Zelda based, and so I'm going to go ahead and subscribe and give you a PEACH later.
    Well, lemme tell ya, I came this close to making a Hero of Time class when I saw this. I still might, but that's not on the agenda for a good long while.
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    ... Oh damnit, now I'm on the edge of my seat.

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    Now we have to build a character and make him fight inappropriately-leveled threats. Who suggests himself for this job?

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    Here's a sketched-out one:

    Valenar Star Elf Destined Warrior (Charming Scoundrel) 10
    1. Hidden Talent (Innertial Armor)
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    F. Psionic Luck
    3. Action Boost
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    BAB: +7
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    Action Points: 5 per encounter, 1 extra per level

    Because the Valenar elves have some really nice action point feats...

    (Yes, I could have gone ahead and dipped Cleric, for the loveliness that is Heroic Channeling+Divine feats; Divine Might for +Charisma to attacks and damage every round? Win.

    Or fueling Travel Devotion. Or going ahead and abusing that one feat that let you use an action point in place of a wand charge, which is loverly on all levels.)

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    Adamant Defender could be clearer.
    Do you get a bonus equal to the DR or the damage prevented (won't usually come up but it is good to be clear in case you run into blowgun wielding assassins at 10th level or something.)? I assume it doesn't stack with itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DracoDei View Post
    Adamant Defender could be clearer.
    Do you get a bonus equal to the DR or the damage prevented (won't usually come up but it is good to be clear in case you run into blowgun wielding assassins at 10th level or something.)?
    Clarified.

    I assume it doesn't stack with itself?
    Typed bonuses (and untyped bonuses from the same source), never stack with themselves. You use only the highest applicable bonus.

    Dodge bonuses are the exception, as they are called out as stacking with other dodge bonuses.
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    Ancestor's Spirit heroic archetype added. Thoughts? Too much, too little?
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    I like Ancestors Spirit. A lot, actually. I think that the number of soulmelds you can shape is good, but there doesn't seem to be any limit on the number of chakra binds you can have. Also, there ought to be some 20th level capstone that helps with Incarnum, some how.
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    If he has the maximum essentia allowed for every soulmeld, it's seems strong. Maybe you should make an 1=1 action points/essentia ratio, instead of buying soulmelds (as written, he can have up to 16 essentia points, as much as an incarnated of the same level). Especially if he can use any soulmeld from any meldshaping class.

    Remember, he has other class features, and meldshapers doesn't have as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymme View Post
    I like Ancestors Spirit. A lot, actually. I think that the number of soulmelds you can shape is good, but there doesn't seem to be any limit on the number of chakra binds you can have. Also, there ought to be some 20th level capstone that helps with Incarnum, some how.
    You never truly gain the ability to bind soulmelds in the traditional sense. At 15th level, you can bind up to three of the soulmelds you shape to the lesser chakras (you never gain Heart or Soul, the strongest chakra binds), but this doesn't impart the ability to bind chakras obtained through other means.

    I'm not sure what an incarnum capstone would look like in this case, but if you have any suggestions, I'm always willing to entertain new ideas.

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    [...]Especially if he can use any soulmeld from any meldshaping class.

    Remember, he has other class features, and meldshapers doesn't have as much.
    The soulmelds are all derived from the Soulborn soulmeld list. Does that change your opinion at all?
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    The soulmelds are all derived from the Soulborn soulmeld list. Does that change your opinion at all?
    Still weird, but I like it. I didn't see this detail. Soulborns will still have less essentia, but at least it won't be a better version of the incarnate. Do like I didn't say anything.
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    I believe you need another for Intelligence and Charisma?

    Intelligence should totally give access to some Shadowcasting, while Charisma should totally give access to some sweet, sweet Binding.

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    Interesting. I'd like for the Fated Warrior to use Counters, as the Diamond Mind counters would help shore up the weak Reflex & Will saves.

    Also, I suggest changing 'nonaction' to 'free action' in To Preserve & To Endure the Trials. As far as I know 'nonaction' isn't a RAW type of action. I think it'd read easier as well.

    Edit: How about changing those two abilities so that they get a reroll when they spend the action point instead of delaying the effect?
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