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2013-01-22, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-01-22, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
Statistics, we has 'em:
SpoilerMore than two fifths of the suggestions (53) have only one vote. There are 18 negative votes so far out of 455 total; 35 voters have used all their votes, 25 have only used one, and 23 of the remaining 28 have used between 2 and 5 votes each.
We also has some random underappreciated entries:{table=head]Name | Type
Exemplar | Prestige Class
Choker extra standard action | Ability
Tracking | Rule
Haunt Shift | Spell
Dvati | Race
Incantatrix | Prestige Class
Reincarnate | Spell
Clever Wrestling | Feat
Antagonize | Feat
White Raven Tactics on initiator | Maneuver[/table]
Technically, dead actually correctly specifies that you can't take physical actions, but fails to block off purely mental actions like manifesting a power or casting a still silent spell.
1 Vote goes for Exemplar's ability to use any skill for Diplomacy. We get Arseplomancer, Jumplomancer, etc, those actually involve taking an action, whether it's crawling inside your own bum, breaking the laws of physics by jumping 300metres and taking longer to do it than running it (actually 1 vote goes to jumping here as well), you actually do something. Even Speaking Languages can make sense, by impressing them with your talent in teaching languages. Autohypnosis, Control Shape (admittedly, removed in 3.5), Concentration, Listen, Lucid Dreaming, Iaijutsu Focus, Spot and Search can all be used to generate a Fanatical Response, simply by standing there. Hide can be used to actively impress people by simply becoming invisible. While Sleight of Hand can be used for Card Tricks, it also includes Pick Pocket - so you can impress people by stealing from them. Swim allows you to make people love you. Even if there's no water near by, you're on the elemental plane of earth, or fire or something.
Other poorly written ones, I'd also put about 4 votes in for CW Samurai. It's a Maneuvreable Tough Front Line Fighter built to deal damage using their Intelligence and Wisdom to power their skills and abilities while also being extremely intimidating but capable of cultivating a true rapport with everyone they meet. It's completely MAD but with no Synergy whatsoever.
OK, that's 3 votes total?
So, the subject can see in the dark. But what does the second clause means?
There's an awful lot of ferocious competition.
Yes. Somewhat similar to this thread, but a lot less formal.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity
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2013-01-22, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
Yup.
Ah, not really sure. Maybe it means you don't gain low-light vision...?
There's an awful lot of ferocious competition.
Yes. Somewhat similar to this thread, but a lot less formal.[/QUOTE]
The ranking here are fun, but that thread looks more hilarious (and WTF inducing). Probably because there are many obscure stuffs brought up there. Things that mentioned here are mostly the more infamous stuffs that already well known.
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2013-01-22, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
Well, yes. That was the point of this thread, to gather what's already known (at least to some of us) and figure out what's really the worst.
Also, that's probably why the other thread has started its second 50-page installment while this one has only 11 pages total. I... regret... nothing!Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity
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2013-01-23, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm giving a negative vote (7 votes left for me) to White Raven Tactics. You cannot use it on yourself by RAW, and here's why:
Originally Posted by White Raven Tactics
Example Initiative Order:
A, B, You, C, X, Y, Z.
Above Initiative Order As Modified by WRT'ing Yourself:
A, B, You, C, X, Y, Z.
Your initiative count has not changed. Therefore, no extra turn for you.
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White Raven Tactics explains perfectly well what it does. A lot of people just seem to ignore or not notice the part that explicitly rules out the unintended use.
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2013-01-23, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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How does initiativeCount-- fit the description of "your initiative count doesn't change"? It doesn't say "initiative order", does it?
Honestly, it seems to me more certain than before that the trick does work, however stupid it may be. (Assuming you can consider yourself an ally, anyway.)Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity
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2013-01-23, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-01-23, 02:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, it is. I would have assumed it meant "the original initiative roll or modifications thereto", with initiative order being merely the arrangement of initiative counts sequentially, and while initiative order isn't listed, that's approximately what initiative count does mean.
Setting your own initiative count to (I - 1) very clearly does change it; it must.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity
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2013-01-23, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-01-23, 04:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah that's not confusing at all. That's almost enough right there to put either WRT or "ally" definition on the list, because it's such lousy writing.
Anyway, Sith, I (obviously) haven't put in your negative vote yet, but if you still want to I'll include it with the next batch.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity
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2013-01-23, 04:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-01-23, 04:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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(Arseplomancer? Do I want to know?)
I don't want to change any of my votes, but can I make like a suggestion or an honorable mention or something? I recently discovered something uniquely hilarious....
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2013-01-23, 07:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
3 votes for Diplomacy. Nothing wrong with talking your way out of trouble, but to do so with a binding dice roll which ignores the politics and ideology of the NPC, not so good.
1 Vote for each of these too
Truenamer
PaO duration/Alter Self/Polymorph/Shapechange
Epic spellcasting
Paladin code
Challenge Rating
LA/RHD
Traps
That's my 10 votes
I'm ignoring things like Sarrukh's and Pazuzu because they are trivial to fix — they simply don't existπ = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-01-23, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
Cliff Notes version: Use Exemplar and various stack-able bonuses to achieve an Escape Artist check somewhere over 80. Become the answer to the question "what bug's crawled up your butt?" This counts as a Diplomacy check. Diplomacy rules (which are pretty badly written) indicate witnesses to your Arseplomancy are automatically fanatical followers.
And, now I think I'll go scrub that image from my head AGAIN.
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2013-01-23, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
You can eventually use your Escape Artist skill to pass through a gap that's smaller than your own head.
Imagine Levistus hosting a house party and going "hai you guys, whacth dis!", struggling to peer upside his insides for a minute, and then after a moment of stunned silence, the crown bursting into applause, with Asmodeus becoming his best friend, promptly before exploding in a halo of devilish faeces.
Other daft ones include pranking your mates by throwing a sheet over them and making everyone who sees a sheet standing next you applaud.
As funny as that image is, I still think standing there making constipated faces while you concentrate/autohypnotise yourself to make the crowd love you is hilarious.Last edited by Vaz; 2013-01-23 at 08:04 AM.
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2013-01-23, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
Okay, it's been so long, can I have 10 more votes rather than trying to remember my previous ones and figure out which ones to undo? Because clearly Diplomacy and the Exemplar thing deserve some of my disapproving glare (which is kind of a big deal what with me being a minmaxed psion and all). I always figured the tales of diplomancer progress were either exagerration or relied on a doormat DM, but if the rules are actually that simplistic, then...well, something must be done, surely.
Er...how? Getting that much of a skill plus without Item Familiar or similar cheese can't be easy. And just think where you'd be if you devoted the same effort to optimizing, say, Hide or Bluff, and played a Rogue (or a Rogue/Sorcerer, or a Fighter/Rogue/Sorcerer who specializes in enchantments).
See, to me this makes it sound awesome, apart from that last line. I'm gonna have to look hard at the class and try to figure out how to make it any of these things, let alone all of them. All I saw before tuning out was that you have to use the same exact pair of weapons on every single member of the class you'll ever make until the end of time.Last edited by willpell; 2013-01-23 at 10:01 AM.
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2013-01-23, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Since you are not playing another class... I mean the skill check makes everything for the truenamer, any +1 on this, no matter how far you've gotten, is still important. So you should really spend an hour thinking about how you get the check high enough.
My way was (human, truenamer 11 with Knowledge Devotion, Extend/Empower/Quicken Utterance and Skill Focus, also standard WBL):
int was 18+2 (levels) +2 (enhancement)
14 (ranks) + 6 (int) + 2 (circumstance from mw tool) + 10 (enhancement from that truespeak item from ToM) + 15 (competence from item) + 2 (moral from item that kinda works like heroism) + 3 (skill focus) + 5 (paragnostic apostle guild) = +57
If you improve your enhancement to int later to +6, gain a higher rank in your guild and improve the competence bonus to +20 you get another +12 total.
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2013-01-23, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Top Ten Worst-Written Spells, Class Features, Racial Abilities, Feats, Items, etc
I'm submitting Spellstrike, from pathfinder's Magus:
Originally Posted by Spellstrike