The Legend of Zelda: Thread of Awesome

[Sipex]

I'm thinking a 3 heart, hero mode quest for Skyward Sword after I finish my current hero mode run through. That ought to be challenging.

[Lentrax]

Unfortunately, young kids+Wiimote+watching daddy play games=no more wii, so I have not played SS yet. But I will.

One day.

And then I shall 3 heart that game into submission.

Or cry in a corner when I can't finish it.

Either way we're gonna have some fun, right?

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Overall, I definitely find it odd that there's a timeline branch that basically assumes you didn't complete one of the games.

Actually, from what I am given to understand, it's more like this:

OoT: Link saves the world, and defeats Gannon.

MM: Link leaves Hyrule and goes looking for [REDACTED]

Gannon comes back, but because Link is off chasing [REDACTED], Link isn't in Hyrule and isn't there to save them again.

Therefore, the events in WW eventually take place.

[Landis963]

WW takes place after Link seals Ganon as an adult, then goes back home via the Temple of Time. Fast-forward several years later, Ganon reawakes and starts rampaging again, but because Link doesn't know that there are two versions of Ganondorf to deal with, he's not around to save the day. Thus, the instances of the Goddesses in that timeline decide to seal Hyrule under the sea that doesn't make sense as an unfortunate stalling tactic.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

WW takes place after Link seals Ganon as an adult, then goes back home via the Temple of Time. Fast-forward several years later, Ganon reawakes and starts rampaging again, but because Link doesn't know that there are two versions of Ganondorf to deal with, he's not around to save the day.

That... makes no sense at all.

Thus, the instances of the Goddesses in that timeline decide to seal Hyrule under the sea that doesn't make sense as an unfortunate stalling tactic.

It isn't the Goddesses place to save the world, it's the Hero's. The most the Goddesses are permitted/allowed to do is to stall until the Hero can be born again.

[Landis963]

That... makes no sense at all. It isn't the Goddesses place to save the world, it's the Hero's. The most the Goddesses are permitted/allowed to do is to stall until the Hero can be born again.

The point is, WW is in a different timeline than the one Link is after OoT and MM. Also, I never said that the flood was anything other than a stalling tactic until a successor could be found.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

The point is, WW is in a different timeline than the one Link is after OoT and MM. Also, I never said that the flood was anything other than a stalling tactic until a successor could be found.

Not really. It references the 'Hero of Time', thus OoT. It references putting paid to Gannon. So, OoT beaten.

Then, Gannon comes back. Doesn't say how long the gap was. Could've been a couple of centuries, and Link was dead of old age, for all that is known.

There's no continuity discontinuity that I see.

[Landis963]

Not really. It references the 'Hero of Time', thus OoT. It references putting paid to Gannon. So, OoT beaten.

Then, Gannon comes back. Doesn't say how long the gap was. Could've been a couple of centuries, and Link was dead of old age, for all that is known.

There's no continuity discontinuity that I see.

Again, I don't remember saying there was any. Please point out where I was misleading on this. Besides, the timeline splits because Link (who of course would be remembered for defeating a giant manbearpig and freeing the land from Ganondorf's oppression in the Adult timeline) leaves that time and warns Zelda early, in the Child timeline.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Again, I don't remember saying there was any. Please point out where I was misleading on this. Besides, the timeline splits because Link (who of course would be remembered for defeating a giant manbearpig and freeing the land from Ganondorf's oppression in the Adult timeline) leaves that time and warns Zelda early, in the Child timeline.

Ummm... okay? I guess? Multiple timelines? If that's what you want to go with... I guess.

[Landis963]

Ummm... okay? I guess? Multiple timelines? If that's what you want to go with... I guess.

That's what Nintendo went with, so yes, that's what I'm going with.

[Lentrax]

Yeah. Guess we don't really have a choice anymore, canon-wise anyway.

[Triaxx]

Yeah, because that's stopped fans, ever.

Ahem. I'm hard pressed to name a Favorite Zelda, mostly because they're ALL so good. I'll have to go with Majora's Mask, even if not finding out until years later that you could HOLD A to swim fast severly hampered my enjoyment. Frankly, though, there's nothing quite as much fun as racing around Termina Field in Spiked Goron Ball mode. Going full tilt and shattering enemies, skipping up ramps and hitting every single grass field as I go. Oh the memories.

Here's a fun thing to in Twilight Princess. Reach the point where Kakariko's Gates are unlocked, and Eldin Bridge is in place. Fill your lantern, and mount Epona. Start at the Spring in Kakariko and make a circuit of Hyrule. See how far you can go before your lantern runs out.

I'd race you Wombat, but I wouldn't want to leave you crying in my dust, wondering how I have the Biggoron sword while you're still in the fish. ;)

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Yeah, because that's stopped fans, ever.

Ahem. I'm hard pressed to name a Favorite Zelda, mostly because they're ALL so good. I'll have to go with Majora's Mask, even if not finding out until years later that you could HOLD A to swim fast severly hampered my enjoyment. Frankly, though, there's nothing quite as much fun as racing around Termina Field in Spiked Goron Ball mode. Going full tilt and shattering enemies, skipping up ramps and hitting every single grass field as I go. Oh the memories.

Here's a fun thing to in Twilight Princess. Reach the point where Kakariko's Gates are unlocked, and Eldin Bridge is in place. Fill your lantern, and mount Epona. Start at the Spring in Kakariko and make a circuit of Hyrule. See how far you can go before your lantern runs out.

I'd race you Wombat, but I wouldn't want to leave you crying in my dust, wondering how I have the Biggoron sword while you're still in the fish. ;)

If that's a challenge, you're on. We'll need to figure out logistics, but yeah. Challenge accepted. If that is indeed the case I will weep with joy at finally being beaten.

[Triaxx]

I'd love to, but after attempting to play, I've discovered that I don't have a single controller with an unbroken stick. And no money to replace them. It's frustrating. I managed a bit, but right in the middle of the Gohma fight the stick just stopped locking to the middle. I won, but it's too crippling a disadvantage.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I'd love to, but after attempting to play, I've discovered that I don't have a single controller with an unbroken stick. And no money to replace them. It's frustrating. I managed a bit, but right in the middle of the Gohma fight the stick just stopped locking to the middle. I won, but it's too crippling a disadvantage.

Noted. That's a bloody shame. I have a few extras, but I don't think I'd be willing to send you one, especially if you're not in america, or even the east coast. Haha. Ah shipping. Well, let me know if you ever aquire the controller. I plan on putting the whole thing on youtube, in any case, so you can at least watch when it happens.

[Beowulf DW]

So happy that there's a thread for this! I've loved every Legend of Zelda game I've played, though none more than Wind Waker. I can't explain it properly, but playing that game gave me such joy. I loved the sailing part especially, even though I'm given to understand that most people didn't.

[Triaxx]

I'm up in Michigan actually, but yeah, shipping isn't cheap. I'll find one eventually. I just sort of had the N64 for years and nothing else to play but the PC and I burned through nearly as many mice and keyboards as I did N64 controllers.

[Yuki Akuma]

Ummm... okay? I guess? Multiple timelines? If that's what you want to go with... I guess.

...Nintendo has been going with split timelines since Wind Waker.

Recently they've actually told us what those timelines are. It's not hard to find the information, but if you're seriously that Google-impaired, here.

All info in that article was taken from Hyrule Historia, an official book produced by Nintendo. So yeah. It's the official word.

[Xondoure]

My guess is way down the line they plan to fuse all three timelines in a crazy super Zelda game. But that's just my two cents from the country of wild speculation.

Edit: Heck easy tie in to the triforce even.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

...Nintendo has been going with split timelines since Wind Waker.

Recently they've actually told us what those timelines are. It's not hard to find the information, but if you're seriously that Google-impaired, here.

All info in that article was taken from Hyrule Historia, an official book produced by Nintendo. So yeah. It's the official word.

That timeline makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. Not that it's the first time Corporate Stupid has screwed things up, but that is just... ridiculous.

First off, if the Hero of Time is defeated, then Gannon wins. There IS no 'sealing war', because Gannon owns the Triforce AND the Golden Realm. Likewise, none of the following games could then exist either. Specifically, having a timeline wherein you have the only triforce-wielding royalty in the timeline where Gannon has won several generations prior is... fail.

Second, Link to the Past is the END of the timeline... you know, where it is definitively stated that the Master Sword rests... FOREVER.

Furthermore, the Dark Realm is not turned into the Golden Realm until the end of LTTP.

I suppose this is a situation of 'I reject your reality and substitute my own', because it just is utterly and completely made of fail.

[Yuki Akuma]

The Master Sword doesn't appear in The Legend of Zelda or Zelda II. It's not required. Ganon is killed in the first Zelda game with the Silver Arrows, not the Master Sword.

[Landis963]

That timeline makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. Not that it's the first time Corporate Stupid has screwed things up, but that is just... ridiculous.

First off, if the Hero of Time is defeated, then Gannon wins. There IS no 'sealing war', because Gannon owns the Triforce AND the Golden Realm. Likewise, none of the following games could then exist either. Specifically, having a timeline wherein you have the only triforce-wielding royalty in the timeline where Gannon has won several generations prior is... fail.

Second, Link to the Past is the END of the timeline... you know, where it is definitively stated that the Master Sword rests... FOREVER.

Furthermore, the Dark Realm is not turned into the Golden Realm until the end of LTTP.

I suppose this is a situation of 'I reject your reality and substitute my own', because it just is utterly and completely made of fail.

I'm not disagreeing with you, at least with regard to that timeline. It is for that reason that I'd prefer it to be split off from Majora's Mask (which, BTW, is my personal headcanon regarding it), if only so that Ganon doesn't have either at the end of it (remember, in the Child timeline, he is apprehended and sentenced to death for treason by the Sages as seen in TP). Once Rusl and co.'s resistance explodes into the Sealing War (heck, there might even be an unblessed version of Link in the mix, just like WW), the timeline can continue as normal. I handwave away the "sleeps again... FOREVER!" part by saying that 1) that's from the POV of someone in-story, say, Sahasrahla (sp?) or Zelda and 2) that's exactly what happened with Fi, only her dialogue just before going under implies that there's going to be another one (which, of course, the audience knows to be true).

[Mewtarthio]

Edit: Heck easy tie in to the triforce even.

That works pretty well, actually. The "adult" timeline is tied with Courage, because Link's the one who defeats Ganon. The "child" timeline is tied with Wisdom, because Zelda preempts Ganon. The "bad" timeline is tied with Power, because Ganon wins and is only overthrown by a costly war.

First off, if the Hero of Time is defeated, then Gannon wins. There IS no 'sealing war', because Gannon owns the Triforce AND the Golden Realm. Likewise, none of the following games could then exist either. Specifically, having a timeline wherein you have the only triforce-wielding royalty in the timeline where Gannon has won several generations prior is... fail.

The Sealing War was canon in LttP. It's in the manual.

[Landis963]

That works pretty well, actually. The "adult" timeline is tied with Courage, because Link's the one who defeats Ganon. The "child" timeline is tied with Wisdom, because Zelda preempts Ganon. The "bad" timeline is tied with Power, because Ganon wins and is only overthrown by a costly war.

That makes a lot of sense, and it still jives with believing that it happened after the bad ending of Majora's Mask, which makes it perfect, IMO. (It doesn't matter when Ganon "wins" just as long as he does so within one "era" of Hylian history, and their counterpart to the Era of Twilight )

The Sealing War was canon in LttP. It's in the manual.

He's not arguing that it isn't canon. He's arguing that the canon is stupid. And as described by Nintendo, yes there are quite a few plot holes.

[Yuki Akuma]

Also, may I just point out: for the love of God there is only one n in Ganon.

The spelling in LoZ was a typo.

[Sith_Happens]

Also, may I just point out: for the love of God there is only one n in Ganon.

The spelling in LoZ was a typo.

Move along, nothing to see here...

[Androgeus]

Also, may I just point out: for the love of God there is only one n in Ganon.

why have you spelled it with two n's then?

[JoshL]

Bit of an obsessive fan myself. Spent most of August replaying all the games. Fun fact: the US release of the first game was on my 10th birthday! I wish I could say I got it, but I definitely WANTED it (loved the commercials). I have the OoT sword/shield tattooed on my left shoulder. I own most of the games (including the abysmal CD-I games!) and have played them more often than anyone should admit to!

Not sure I could rank them. Huge fan of Majora's Mask. Love the first, after all these years. Wind Waker had one of my favorite endings...until Twilight Princess. Can't think of one I didn't enjoy! Well, maybe those CD-I games, but they have a bit of "so bad it's good" to them....

Oh, and a note about the Symphony of the Goddesses (which I caught here in Pittsburgh this summer). It was the same arrangements as on the 25th Anniversary cd, but a lot more. The 25Acd contains two of the four movements to the "main symphony" (though on a technical level, they're done more as suites for games, but there's enough repeated motifs to make it seem like a complete symphony...head hurting now). The individual themes were a bit more expanded as compared to the cd (particularly the Ballad of the Goddess), and they played a LOT more live. I'd say the cd was 1/3-1/4 of the show, if memory serves. I really hope they release the entire show, and in the proper order. There are a couple pieces that I REALLY want to own on cd...

But what I really wanted to talk about is the brilliance of the overture (or "anniversary medley"), which opens both the cd and the live show. Astounding stuff, introducing so many themes and motifs that are expanded on through the rest of the show...not even introducing the main theme until halfway through...compare directly to the suite for the Video Games Live tour (which is a fun show, but sort of mediocre arrangements), which leaned so heavily on that theme they might as well have just played that.

Yeah. Music geek. Zelda fan. Great games.

[Triaxx]

Nintendo also makes games about a pair of plumbers fighting mushrooms, and turtles to save a princess. Some timeline weirdness can be forgiven.

[INoKnowNames]

Nintendo also makes games about a pair of plumbers fighting mushrooms, and turtles to save a princess. Some timeline weirdness can be forgiven.

Actually, you Fight Mushrooms, Save Mushrooms, and Eat Mushrooms. And try not to confuse said Mushrooms, or else bad things happen.