Classic Werewolf: The Village of Vilcas

[TigerFang]

Yes in fact I did... doesn't change anything when it comes to lynching me though.

[Reinholdt]

gray mage

[Count Dingdong]

Perhaps we could keep an open mind for later in the game if it gets hectic so that we could maybe extend a day phase in order to continue conversing and what not if in deed we need more discussion time. I've been in a couple of games where there is a lot of day action and it gets cut short, so maybe we can have occasional extensions if needed.

Now count? Figure seer claim at last minute should be argued. Tiger vs. Gray Mage is what it seems now.

And with 19 votes so far, 7 is needed for lynch?

[Alarra]

Not sure if he's telling the truth or not, but I'd hate to 'randomly' lynch the seer if he is. So gray mage.

[TigerFang]

Gray Mage because I don't wanna die...

[Gray Mage]

Yeah, I can't say I trust this last minute claim when he was the main bandwagon during the whole phase. Still, with no fool in game it's much more dangerous risk. However, killing me won't be a better result, so if people come up with a third alternative I'll change my vote.

[Rogue Nine]

[Puts on a Deerstalker hat, and puffs on a mershon pipe]

Okay so here's why I voted for Tiger Fang in the first place, it was not random, so take it or leave it.

1. Wolves are vindictive. They don't like being fingered at all, even randomly.

2. The first night kill is usually an attempt to direct the lynch in favor of who the wolves want. (I should know, we did it in the first Classic game I ever played on GitP.)

3. Rules Lawyer pointed at Elemental which SHOULD be leading us to him. But the players we have in this game are really smart. Elemental then was chosen as the lynch target and RL was killed to lead us to that conclusion, because...

4. Elemental pointed at Tiger Fang, which leads me back to point 1.

Claiming Seer has only made me more sure, instead of less.

If I'm wrong then lynch me.

[52.5 Lemons]

I can't get through a single game it seems without a seer claim in the first 3 days can I? I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth testing every seer claim we get. But as it stands, it makes sense to test the claims. Gray Mage

[usourselves&we]

We don't quite buy it, just yet TigerFang, and you are likely dead tonight anyway, so what was your night 1 scry? or were you absent then as well.

[Murska]

We don't quite buy it, just yet TigerFang, and you are likely dead tonight anyway, so what was your night 1 scry? or were you absent then as well.

So suspicious. SO SUSPICIOUS!

Gray Mage, because we're running out of time to save the Seer claimant before he can be tested.

[TigerFang]

I messaged him about it but I don't think he'll show up anytime soon. I hoped he would post something by now but as it seems I cannot wait any longer... I scanned elemental as a human.

That's why Rogue Nine's theory is sort of right and yet completely wrong at the same time...

Rogue Nine did you consider that the wolves were just as experienced as everybody else and used that opportunity to frame two humans? In either case it would be a win/win for them and a complete bust for everybody else. Of course you might very well be a wolf and pushing for a lynch so you wouldn't have to waste a night kill on me. Then once I died you'd just say it was Elemental by some other twisted logic.... or somebody else. Or did you even consider the possibility that the wolves were even smarter than that and just made a random kill... After all the more random the kills the fewer the patterns that can be followed therefore the harder it is to catch them and it's not like they had any high profile targets on night one eh?

I'm also pretty suspicious of this sudden Gray Mage bandwagon but if it's between me and him...

P.S: I was never absent from day one I just abstained from making a post. I almost always do that because I hate the randomness of day one lynching.

[Reinholdt]

You are not allowed to be suspicious of the Gray Mage wagon since he was second in votes and therefore best pick to save you after seer claim.

Anyone else can be suspicious of it, but not you.

[Murska]

Hmf. I wouldn't have revealed the Night 1 scry. That's just free targets for the wolves, and frankly with no counterclaims, there's no reason for anyone on the Village side to vote to kill a Seer claimant at this point.

[52.5 Lemons]

Hmf. I wouldn't have revealed the Night 1 scry. That's just free targets for the wolves...

How is that free targets for the wolves? All he did was say that Elemental was a human. That tells the wolves nothing because they already know who is human, anybody but themselves.

[Reinholdt]

If TigerFang proves to be the seer, then Elemental is cleared. If there's anything the wolves hate more in a game, it's cleared people. They thrive off confusion as it keeps them alive.

Meaning Elemental just become an instant lightning rod for debate/death.

[Fleeing Coward]

It took almost 12 hours for TigerFang to decide from no point in claiming to suddenly claiming seer.
Unless Elemental shows up claiming TigerFang messaged him before the bandwagon started, I don't believe a word TigerFang says.

[Gnomish Wanderer]

Day 2 End!
A bright moon floated close to the horizon today, making the impending storm seem to stretch dangerously towards the village like a giant looking to bury the village forever. Though not many paid heed to the sky, for a crowd had gathered, as hungry for blood as the beasts in the night.

With green cloak wrapped tight to keep out the cold, Rogue 9, long since freed from the shadow of the other 8, pointed a chilled hand toward Tigerfang the quiet. The day before only he (ignoring some select others) held his tongue from slinging at the other villagers; naturally this made him a prime target. Why would he stay silent?

Tigerfang tried to defend himself, saying of course he always stays silent when there are ill words brewing, but it only seemed to strengthen the flames of the crowd's vindicton. He cried out as he was drug through the town and a long corded rope fit around his nech right in the center of town.

"I'm the Seer!" He said, frantically pulling at the rope. The crowd's eyes widened, the doubt evident. The seer? Here? They frantically scuried to Gray Mage, one of the better known magic users, intent on finding the truth. "Is he the seer?" They asked Gray Mage, pitchforks and torches dangerously close to his flammable cloak. With sweat tinging his eyes Gray Mage stammered, "O-Oh course not!"

Tigerfang, however, decided to make his escape. As the crowd's bac was turned, he summoned two creatures of fire and smoke. The horned creatures laughed at the rope, saying "Looksie, Master has a new necklace! We can help you, sir, find the secrets! What bidding shall you have us do, Master?"

All eyes were back on the demon summoner.

Tigerfang was killed! He was the Devil!
Players

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{table=head]#|Player|Killed|Role
1|Alarra
2|The Grimmace
3|TigerFang|Day 2|Devil
4|Penguinator
5|Grue Bait
6|Gray Mage
7|Atreyu the Masked Llama
8|Zar Peter
9|Elemental
10|usourselves&we
11|Matthias2207
12|Reinholdt
13|Lex-Kat
14|DiscipleofBob
15|Rogue Nine
16|Eldritch Knight
17|Tom the Mime
18|Count Dingdong
19|Fleeing Coward
20|Dragoon
21|Julian24
22|super dark33
23|inky13112
24|C'nor
25|Rules Lawyer #1|Night 1|Mason
26|52.5 Lemons
27|Murska[/table]

Night 2 Start!
Ends in about 24 hours

Mod Note: Sorry for the lateness, I'm sending this from my phone x.x As a result, narration may not be the highest quality either, but I'll fix things when I get home :)

Official Poll:
Do you think we should include the following rule: "Extenstion: If 3 or more of the alive players call for an extension during a day phase, an additional 24 hours of Day Phase will be granted"? Feel free to PM your answers if you feel it would have an effect on your image within the game.

• Yes
• No

Ends at the start of Day 3! Vote now!

[Gray Mage]

Ooh, devil, that was better then I'd expected.

[52.5 Lemons]

Wow, that was unexpected. I now have a new suspicion however. As far as your pole Gnomish, I think that would be fine. We might be able to get some more stuff worked out in the extra time so that would be good. My vote is Yes.

[inky13112]

Well thats a much better day 2.

I guess my vote is yes.

The devil doesn't know the werewolves, I assume the wolves don't know the devil? That kind of throws off analysis unless he scried a wolf night one. Which considering the counter bandwagon, perhaps he did.

[Julian84]

Huzzah!

I would vote no... but I guess it isn't much of a big deal. Yes.

[Rogue Nine]

I would say that provides about an 85% chance that Elemental really is human.

[usourselves&we]

It would probably be good to take a look at the ones that moved from TigerFang to Gray Mage (or others), as moving off of the claimed seer is a very town thing to do, even when actually doing it for the protection of a probable devil.

Of course, it is also very wolfish to try to discredit a claimed seer perhaps Mage is a wolf that we were trying to defend, making that we would be wolves together, if one would like to think that way.

At any rate we can stop trying to play as a devil would. take from that what you will :)

And for the vote yes, that seems a fine rule.

[Lex-Kat]

Elemental is either a Wolf TigerFang was trying to make look innocent or a Villager TigerFang was trying to set up as guilty.

There is no way to know as yet. I'm sure the Wolves are discussing right now what to do with the information TigerFang provided.

[DiscipleofBob]

Didn't feel like typing a full in-character post for now, so

I take full blame for the counter-bandwagon against Gray Mage.

My only thought was that he was trying to rush the bandwagon pretty early, and that seemed just a tad suspicious, or at least more suspicious than anything else up to that point. Obviously his hunch was better than mine.

All the same, if the wolves didn't know who the Devil was, then who voted for who doesn't really tell us much. I'm looking at the wording for the Devil's role, and while it doesn't necessarily say the wolves don't start out knowing the Devil's identity, it really doesn't make sense to me that the Devil wouldn't know the wolves but the wolves would know the Devil.

Hell, Tigerfang claiming the seer might've drawn more wolves to lynch him for all I know.

[Alarra]

I like the idea of being able to extend the day if more discussion is needed.

I believe it is customary for the wolves and devil to not know one another in classic.

[Gnomish Wanderer]

Mod Note: Wolves do not start off knowing which player has the role of the Devil, and visa versa. I apologize if that was vague in the rules.

[Lex-Kat]

There is still a 1 in 25 chance that TigerFang scried Elemental last night, and found himself a wolf. And when it was starting to look bad for him, tried to get Elemental to help support his Seer claim. (or am I wrong on my probability.... again. )

[Gray Mage]

There is still a 1 in 25 chance that TigerFang scried Elemental last night, and found himself a wolf. And when it was starting to look bad for him, tried to get Elemental to help support his Seer claim. (or am I wrong on my probability.... again. )

Well, TF's odds of finding a wolf on night one are better then 1/25, but it's still most likely for him to not have found a wolf. Considering this post by Gnomish, we have most likely 5 wolves (incluiding the devil), maybe 6 (since the number of players isn't a multiple of 5). So, from a total of 26 possible scry targets (27 players, no first day lynch and I assume he wouldn't scry himself) there'd be 4~5 wolves. So, the odds of him finding a wolf (that may or may not be elemental) are 2/13 or 5/26.

[Elemental]

Just to clarify, TigerFang did PM me.
But I was asleep at the time because I live in Australia.

Sorry for that TigerFang.