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    Was he meant as dumb muscle early on who evolved into a more complex character? Does he use Obfuscating Stupidity when he's out and about, or is it just Dresden's prejudices and preconceptions keeping Hendricks locked away under 'stupid gorilla'?
    Probably all of the above. I can't imagine Marcone trusting Hendricks as much as he does if Hendricks is just dumb muscle. Not sure what plans Butcher has though.

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    I thought Hendricks seemed pretty on the ball in Small Favor. I think it was that one that made me even consider he was smarter than he let on (haven't read the short story).

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    He's also, apparently, soft on Gard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    He's also, apparently, soft on Gard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeGuitarrem View Post
    The Valkyrie and the Mobster...I think we have our feel-good rom com of the summer.
    He's a hard-bitten mobster pursuing his doctorate with a machine gun in hand. She's a statuesque Nordic blonde who escorts doomed warriors to Valhalla. They FightCommit Crime.
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    He's a hard-bitten mobster pursuing his doctorate with a machine gun in hand. She's a statuesque Nordic blonde who escorts doomed warriors to Valhalla. They FightCommit Crime Fight supernatural horrors from beyond the veil while their boss Commits Crime.
    Fixed that for you!

    Gard isn't actually involved in Marcone's criminal enterprises, after all. She's a supernatural security consultant, and her only job is to make sure that Marcone doesn't get eaten by a troll or possessed by a ghost or something. Frankly, considering her boss, I'm willing to bet that the only reason Marcone was allowed to hire her is because it puts both of them in a good position to watch Dresden's back and take some of the load off defending Chicago. Which is, after all, exactly what happens. I mean, does Vadderung really seem like the kind of guy who's in it for the money?
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    Odin likely is playing the long game with Marcone as well. Remember that Marcone's a bit of a stabilizing influence, and he's honestly a ton better than some of the stuff out there(Vamps, Formor, etc).
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    Hendricks/Gard would be a great POV short story. But only after a Mouse & Mister short, I think everyone wants that to happen more :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavar View Post
    Odin likely is playing the long game with Marcone as well. Remember that Marcone's a bit of a stabilizing influence, and he's honestly a ton better than some of the stuff out there(Vamps, Formor, etc).
    Odin also did reign over a culture known for exalting piracy/banditry. And is pretty much the god of Magnificent Bastardry anyways. Doubtless he holds some different views on what constitutes moral and upright behavior.

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    So, I've been re-reading the series, and right now I'm midway through White Night. It's been so long since I've read some of these books that, outside of the events that were mentioned again later, I forgot a lot of what happened.

    It's been years since I read the first two books so I can't remember exactly how much I liked them then, but I'm pretty sure I enjoyed them more the second time through. I'm not sure if they're just books that are better the second time through or if I like it more because I know where some of the plots or characters lead. Or maybe I think they're better because I like the series more? I don't know. But I'm pretty sure I liked the first two more the second time around, especially the second book. It's weird, but my biggest issue when reading through it the first time was that it felt like too many twists were just thrown in there to pad the book out, but this time around I didn't feel that way at all.

    In fact, what I found really interesting was my reaction to the third book. Now, it seems universally agreed that the third book was a step up in quality from the first two. Exactly how much it got better is more of a subjective point, but everyone I've seen agrees that the third book was where the series really took off. And hey, my first time through, I found myself liking the third book a lot more than the first two.

    My second time through...I found the jump in quality to not be as big.

    Don't get me wrong, I liked the third book (as well as the first two), and felt it was better than the first two. But this time I didn't think it was really that big a jump. Honestly, I thought it was of about the same quality as the first two, the only really big difference being that it introduced Michael, who is one of my favorite characters in the series, which of course bumps up my opinion of the book. I wonder if his presence (and to a lesser extent Thomas's) might have been a big reason people thought the third book was so much better, because it gave Harry more people to interact with, making the story more interesting. Granted, there was some of that in the second book, but the new characters felt a lot more superfluous to the general story than the characters in the third book did.

    If anything I think it might be the fourth book where things really start getting good, and we actually start to see some of the things we've mostly been told about. We've heard a lot about the White Council, but it's all secondhand...I don't think it's until the fourth book that we really see the White Council at all. It just felt as a whole like the world got better developed and brought into sharper focus in the fourth book than in any of the previous ones.

    The fact the first two books went up so much in my estimation actually makes me wonder if, when I'm done with this re-readthrough, I might rate Ghost Story as the worst in the series. After reading it I remembered deciding that Ghost Story was definitely the weakest book in the series except for maybe the first two, but with my opinions of those brought up, this might easily be the worst for me. But who knows, maybe like Storm Front and Fool Moon, Ghost Story's quality will increase in my opinion when I get around to reading it a second time.

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    I've never really thought of the first two books as lesser quality. I actually would have been happy if the books had all just gone the way of Storm Front. I like noiry detective stories.

    Not that the uberplot isn't awesome too.

    The thing about Ghost Story for me, is that reading it I feel a sense of disconnect. It doesn't really fit in with the rest of the series, and the plot just seems to meander along. Which, on reflection, is exactly what the book is all about. So it's actually very well written.
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    I think Ghost Story's disconnect came because it wasn't meant to really be about Harry. It was meant to show Harry how the world had changed with his and the Red Court's deaths, and the terror people went through when Harry wasn't around to stomp the monsters. It's the transition between "Harry fighting monsters and taking names" to "Harry intentionally trying to prevent the destruction of everything". And setting up the most important line in the book, telling Harry that he will always have choice.
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    It was a combination of a few things. One I think was what Kagan mentions, the book is about Harry's change in perspective and not on Harry solving mysteries and kicking ass. Recognizing that that won't work for a whole book, Butcher threw in a pair of weak villains and weak ass-kick plot. It focuses on the ghost world is like, which is not as interesting or as fleshed out as the Nevernever. And it's a flashback episode. We learn about Harry's first magical fight and it provides us with some information about Justin, with the useful addition of "this stuff is absolutely true because ghosts." So that's good for our speculation.

    Along with that, Harry's personality pretty much is magnified by him being his soul AKA his personality, what makes him him. So the book contains a lot of "Poor me!" and nigh constant pop-culture references. That was probably an accident brought about by Butcher being kind of bored with Dresden. He needs to write another series while he works on DF, I think. Somehow he was on time with the books when he got a mid-year break.

    Also there was no Thomas.
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    In any long series of books, there are game changer books (Changes) & reflection books (Ghost Story) usually there are status quo books inbetween to break them up, instead these were side by side so the rising action takes a huge hiccup. I think it was well done & show us more insight into Harry's world that hasn't happened since Thomas was his brother
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    I think any problems with Ghost Story can be put down to it not being Changes but having the position of following it. And being essentially intermission between two eras.

    Yet was probably needed.
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    OK im late to the party. Like really late.
    But HOLY CHEESE AND RICE! I MEAN GODDAMN!

    I can't decide what was a bigger shock Arkham Asylum under Demonreach the rapid fire death of the Queens or the true Purpose of Faerie.

    Im still struggling with the metaphysical ramifications of one half of a balanced faction fighting off the entirety of another reality's invading force, aided by one, count em, ONE wizard!
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    It just...I mean. It just kept topping itself! Kringle, strangle fight, pixie death squad, The ISLAND!!!, the Queens, then more queens, then the gates then the hunt then the Outsiders then Harry vs Fix, then Lily vs Harry then Harry and Fix vs the badasses of Winter, THEN Mab vs. Maeve then poor poor Molly. I seriously wept.

    I mean Lily had her life ruined but it seemed awesome at the time for her, boatload of new power, nice new mummy and a boyfriend. But Molly...I mean...she's gonna be so friggin messed up.

    One thing I caught after rereading it. Sarissa mentions she had congenital dementia and so did her sister, meaning Maeve wasn't just insanely evil she was...well actually insane. In addition to being Outsider insane. Makes me wonder how much of Maeve was the Winter Lady and how much was Maeve being crazy and how much was Maeve being infected. Mostly cos of the implications for Molly. I mean she'll probably just end up more like Mab right?
    Lily and Titania seemed pretty similar
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    Sarissa might have just been lying. She is Winter.

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    I get the feeling it was a lie too, but I figure the whole transition to fae would take care of that sort of thing one way or another anyways.

    If the Queens were still vulnerable to mortal diseases... well can you imagine Winter with a cold?

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    Wait, I thought that Maeve's ability to lie was because she was possessed by Nemesis? They kind of make a big deal of it.

    Durrr Sarissa isn't fae yet, don't mind me.
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    One thing I caught after rereading it. Sarissa mentions she had congenital dementia and so did her sister, meaning Maeve wasn't just insanely evil she was...well actually insane.
    I am pretty sure that the congenital dementia that Sarissa is mentioning is actually her potential to bear the mantle of the Winter Lady. As Bob mentions the mantle will mold it's bearers personality to match the positions traditional outlook. So Harry will be pushed towards being a brute and Molly will be pushed towards being a madwoman.
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    aided by one, count em, ONE wizard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnoc View Post
    I am pretty sure that the congenital dementia that Sarissa is mentioning is actually her potential to bear the mantle of the Winter Lady. As Bob mentions the mantle will mold it's bearers personality to match the positions traditional outlook. So Harry will be pushed towards being a brute and Molly will be pushed towards being a madwoman.
    No that doesn't make any sense, Molly showed no side effects of having the potential for Winters Mantle, in fact she was getting better the more potential she was showing.

    The strong implication throughout half the book was that having Maeve in charge of Winter would be bad even if she wasn't infected by Nemesis. That means she's not all a Winter Lady should be. Cos she's bonkers
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    That's not what I meant by potential leading to madness I mean that my interpretations was that Mab wouldn't replace Maeve with Sarissa for as long as Sarissa stuck to their deal. Sarissa was always Mab's favorite and both of the sisters knew it.
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    I just want to say.... Molly isn't exactly the picture of mental health....

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    We seriously need a series about Rashid. That would be pretty freaking awesome.
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    I just want to say.... Molly isn't exactly the picture of mental health....
    Yeah but she was considered a viable option way back in Proven Guilty. Mab and Lea have been trying to get her better.
    Molly was also a candidate for Summer and Lily had no insanity.
    All we've gotten from the Winter Mantle is predator instincts. Blind Rage and Lust. But Maeve's cruelty goes way beyond that. I think she was legitimately crazy
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    I'd rather have a spin off about Ramirez, he's six kinds of awesome
    Or a team-up between Ramirez and Rashid.

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