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    Well, his apartment burned down, his equipment was torn to shreds in fey-glamoured form and he was thrown into a lake. I'd be surprised if any of his equipment survived.
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    Unless I'm very mistaken (and I can't check from here), he's holding a rifle, but no staff.

    I assume Mab won't give him the time to make new foci, so he has to use bought weapons instead?
    He had planned to make a new one from the Lightning-struck oak in McCoy's backyard. I presume that Mab hasn't yet given him permission to go and get some and if she sent someone other than Harry to get the wood then McCoy would get very suspicious.

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    Or, like the hat, maybe it's just the cover artist playing silly buggers.
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    You gotta be wondering who's on the bad guys side for the BAT. I mean the Outsiders sure, but who amongst the earthly races wants it all to end?
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    Who's on the Bad Guy's Side? Everyone who sides themselves with the Outsiders. Cowl, Justin (DED dead, like Harry) and their ilk. Unless Cowl and Kumori are revealed to be time travelling Harry and Molly.
    I'm betting our friend Ferrovax will be showing up quite a bit. As he could drop Harry with but a fraction of one word of his True Name, he's quite powerful.

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    He actually mentioned that all dragons are like that, if I remember correctly. They are embodiments of universal principles and energies and more eastern than western inspired.

    Which is what makes Michael defeating one all the more impressive.
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    Hm, it is a rifle. I hadn't looked at it yet, I assumed his .44 was the gun in question.
    It's a very cowboy-style gun, too. Looks like a lever-action rifle.

    He still has his blasting rod, as I recall. As well as his amulet (which is probably the most important item, all things considered).

    EDIT: Jim himself tells us it's a Winchester chambered for .45 Long Colt. Probably no magic in/on it.
    But the fact that Jim not only tells us specifically what it is, but also opines on its abilities for self-defense, makes me think Harry's going to be using it.
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    You gotta be wondering who's on the bad guys side for the BAT. I mean the Outsiders sure, but who amongst the earthly races wants it all to end?
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    That would be Mab, Nic and the peeps working for him. The White Court. Yeah, they really lowered the hiring bar. A lot.
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    I hope Michael and Sanya don't die. Michael's already out of the story. I just don't want the ancient animosity between the Knights and the Nickelheads to get in the way of kicking the Apocalypse's ass. There's a Denarian on the Black Council, so they could be united against him.
    Sanya's going to die because Harry is going to get the sword of hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDisciple View Post
    EDIT: Jim himself tells us it's a Winchester chambered for .45 Long Colt. Probably no magic in/on it.
    But the fact that Jim not only tells us specifically what it is, but also opines on its abilities for self-defense, makes me think Harry's going to be using it.
    That's a helluva lotta gun.

    Also yeah, considering his comments, it's probably going to feature in the story.
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    I just hope Sanya doesn't die for entirely personal reasons. Namely, he has got to be one of my favorite characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Well, his apartment burned down, his equipment was torn to shreds in fey-glamoured form and he was thrown into a lake. I'd be surprised if any of his equipment survived.
    The duffel bag with his blasting rod, the Swords, his sword-cane, his shotgun, Bob, and a bunch of other "questionable" goodies survived. It's on the boat, or was at any rate. I think Murphy grabbed it a while back and hid it away.

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    I hope Michael and Sanya don't die. Michael's already out of the story. I just don't want the ancient animosity between the Knights and the Nickelheads to get in the way of kicking the Apocalypse's ass. There's a Denarian on the Black Council, so they could be united against him.
    Sanya's going to die because Harry is going to get the sword of hope.
    Why is everyone convinced Harry is going to wield one of the Swords. I just don't see it happening. What i do see is Thomas winding up with the sword of Love. I imagine it would burn the Hunger straight out of him.
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    Why is everyone convinced Harry is going to wield one of the Swords. I just don't see it happening. What i do see is Thomas winding up with the sword of Love. I imagine it would burn the Hunger straight out of him.
    I don't know if Thomas is going to end up with the Sword of Love. It's just . . . too easy, I guess. Not quite his style, and at the very least, not his particular weapon of choice. He's always favored sabers, kukri, and weapons of a more finesse nature rather than the blunt impact of a broadsword. It's a different fighting style and it would be difficult, but certainly not impossible, for him to change. Plus, nobody honestly knows how much of his ability comes from his inner demon as opposed to his own natural talent as a human.

    However, that said, it's not impossible. It would be an interesting theme to introduce to the novels, that of redemption, which isn't quite present yet, though there are hints of it.

    I actually prefer Michael's son for the Sword of Love. Yeah, he's stupid, but I attribute that to the hotheadedness and thoughtlessness of youth rather than any inherent failing on his own part. Give him a few years and get him a life partner and a life of his own, and I think he really has it in him to be what his father was, or at least the ability to approach that.

    The boy's nothing to be sneezed at even now. He stood up to an Elder Fetch unarmed and without any real hope, and to me, that speaks of a lot of courage and strength of character, even if it is untempered by experience and wisdom. Those can be learned.

    Of course, I'm a cynic and I also see a lot of potential for that kid to take up one of the coins as well even if only in spite of not being "given" the sword.
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    Well, the swords can and have been reforged, apparently. Making one a rapier somehow would be weird, but could happen.

    That said, how about Justine gets the Sword of Love? That could save Thomas just as well, and it would be unexpected.
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    Well, the swords can and have been reforged, apparently. Making one a rapier somehow would be weird, but could happen.

    That said, how about Justine gets the Sword of Love? That could save Thomas just as well, and it would be unexpected.
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    From remarks Jim has made at various signings, I think we can deduce 2 things about the Sword of Love, Amoracchius.

    1.)It likely won't be reforged. It's stood so far without being reforged, and is freaking Excalibur. I think it will keep its current shape. This is more of an inference.
    2.)It will not be gifted out "permanently" (that is, to a dedicated wielder rather than a temporary bearer) until the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy. I believe Jim has either said this directly, or come so close to saying it directly it might as well be canon.

    Honestly, it's hard to say who might end up with it. If we really do have to wait until the BAT, we may well have another 10 books or so, which means another 10 years at least.

    Heck, maybe Maggie will end up using it! Harry might have a king somewhere in his past, or Susan (I don't think the Red King would count, since Maggie has no vampire in her). And she'd be 18 or so by the time the BAT rolls around. It'd be an interesting turn, to have his daughter possess no magic, but instead take up a Sword!

    I don't think it will be Thomas. That seems too "easy". And since we've got books and books to wait, we can't be sure Thomas will even be alive; we know how much Jim likes torturing Harry!

    I think it's pretty much a done deal that Murphy ends up with the Sword of Hope. And she might/should still be able to enter the fray in the BAT. She'd probably be in her late 40s or early 50s (I'm pegging her at being mid-20s in the first book), which is by no means a point where you just can't fight.

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    I don't think it will be Thomas. That seems too "easy". And since we've got books and books to wait, we can't be sure Thomas will even be alive; we know how much Jim likes torturing Harry!
    But Jim's second favorite pastime is torturing Thomas if you think about it so i would be more worried about Justine making it to the end.
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    He loves torturing everyone of the good guys. Murphy still wasn't over her trauma from Kravos by the time Changes' end twist happened. And Molly... well. She's Molly.
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    He loves torturing everyone of the good guys. Murphy still wasn't over her trauma from Kravos by the time Changes' end twist happened. And Molly... well. She's Molly.
    But if i had to list in order of who his favorite victims are i would say thomas is second after harry, followed by molly, then murphy.
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    I think Harry will end up with a sword because according to JB, he's going to take advantage of everything he's got during the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy, including all 3 of his evil offers. Why shouldn't he get someone Good on his side too? Sanya's an ex Denarian, maybe since Harry's so tight with Uriel he could wield a sword and be a Denarian simultaneously.

    Speaking of that, I am SO looking forward to Lash vs. Lasciel, whenever that fight happens.
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    [QUOTE=Mauve Shirt;13767041Sanya's an ex Denarian, maybe since Harry's so tight with Uriel he could wield a sword and be a Denarian simultaneously.[/QUOTE]

    ...Uh, no. I'm pretty sure that's like trying to make a toy house out of Lincoln Logs that are alternatingly made of matter and anti-matter.

    Sanya is an ex-Denarian. He cast aside that evil, corrupting power.
    The Coins and the Swords are diametrically opposed.

    More than that, there's 0 evidence any of the coins contain a Fallen One who's "less evil" enough that they could be trusted (ha!) with a Sword without almost immediately attempting to destroy it.

    Honestly, Harry is the Merlin figure in the story of the Swords. He holds them in trust, and he distributes them, but he doesn't wield them, long term.

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    Yeah, true enough. There's enough parallels between Harry and Merlin that I'm pretty sure Harry breaks the time travel rule to become Merlin.
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    Yeah, true enough. There's enough parallels between Harry and Merlin that I'm pretty sure Harry breaks the time travel rule to become Merlin.
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    How does he have any parallels with Merlin? (Note: I don't know anything about Merlin).
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    Of course, if Harry's the original Merlin, then according to another theory he's his own grandpa. That theory being of course that the journals in Eb's office are not only from master to student but from grandfather/father to son.
    Going only by the Dresden Files, Merlin founded the white council, wrote all the laws, and was custodian of one sword. Harry founded the gray council, will break all the laws, is custodian of two swords.

    Oh, and he's also a guide and mentor for troubled magical youths.
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    Hm. Well, it would be interesting.
    If just for the Irony of Harry, of all people, founding the white council.

    Though wasn't the white council founded in Rome?
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    ...Uh, no. I'm pretty sure that's like trying to make a toy house out of Lincoln Logs that are alternatingly made of matter and anti-matter.
    Exactly. Harry could either fight the Outside with a couple of Lincoln logs, or massive anti-matter powered superweapon.
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    Maybe Harry's rifle is his new staff. That'd be awesome.
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    Exactly. Harry could either fight the Outside with a couple of Lincoln logs, or massive anti-matter powered superweapon.
    You're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

    I'm saying those two power sources are fundamentally incompatible. You can't mix them without blowing up the structure (Harry).

    Honestly, I hope Harry doesn't take up a Coin. It doesn't seem totally in-character for him. I'd rather he win more on his own skill and power (I was sad enough he took up the Winter Knight mantle, and hope something can be done about that).

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    Maybe Harry's rifle is his new staff. That'd be awesome.
    While awesome, it's doubtful. Jim said it doesn't have runes or anything, and that it's just a plain-jane .45 Long Colt Winchester Rifle.

    I would imagine he'll either make a new staff, or come up with an alternate focus device (maybe something that requires less juggling of items in his hands).

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    Hm. Lightning Oak rifle stock. Nice idea. Barrel is cold iron anyway, so it would also be a fairy club.
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