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    Ravens. My greatest concern is Ray Lewis - regarding the Ravens. I mean, what are they gonna do when he finally does retire? Also, I'm from Philly, so I guess I'm obliged to be an Eagles fan. It's either their owner or the coach that's horrible, though. I really don't listen enough to figure out which.
    Ray Lewis is old, Ed Reed is old, and Terrell Suggs is injured, but I won't doubt that they'll have a good defense.

    I'm in the DC area and root for both the Redskins and the Ravens. People ask, "How is this possible?" First, it's pretty easy, they're in different conferences, so they don't often play against one another. I also live in Maryland, in the Washington, D.C. suburbs. So, a lot of the media coverage is focused on the Redskins, but the Ravens wear the Maryland flag on their shoulders. The Ravens also play the type of football I like, while the Redskins are entertaining in a kind of "What kind of trainwreck will they produce this week?"

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    SuperBowl XX is the reason I'm a Patriots fan, remember?

    So, Bengals may have just defined the term phyric victory. Did they win? Yes. They also injured a couple of starters, one out for the year.

    In a completely unrelated note, former Bengal troublemaker Chad Johnson (and yes, he is going by that name again) got kicked off the Dolphins and had his upcoming VH1 show cancelled after an arrest.

    BTW, obligatory linkage to my favorite football stat\commentary site, the Football Outsiders.
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    who have the chiefs added that makes them worth it?
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    SuperBowl XX is the reason I'm a Patriots fan, remember?

    So, Bengals may have just defined the term phyric victory. Did they win? Yes. They also injured a couple of starters, one out for the year.

    In a completely unrelated note, former Bengal troublemaker Chad Johnson (and yes, he is going by that name again) got kicked off the Dolphins and had his upcoming VH1 show cancelled after an arrest.

    BTW, obligatory linkage to my favorite football stat\commentary site, the Football Outsiders.
    On the Football Outsiders, it's great that they try to apply more advanced statistical models for performance measurement and predictive purposes but in the end there's just way too much confounding. Defense-adjusted-over-average metrics do nice to compare like positions but there's no control for offensive linemen, scheme, weather, injuries, coaches and their dispositions at that time, etc. I applaud their efforts but they're only making interesting analyses that aren't really that meaningful. That being said, I hope these guys make a nice living doing this because it's clearly what they love.

    Now if these guys were to apply these skills to hockey, I would go up and down these boards and others claiming they're magic men from the future who know all and can explain all. Bias on my part, of course.
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    who have the chiefs added that makes them worth it?
    I think its more of a question of who their competition is... San Diego hasn't done much of anything for several years, the Raiders haven't done anything for a decade or more... and Denver... who knows what might happen there this year.

    I'm a Denver fan... but I don't really know why any more. McDaniels was a wreck. There has been so much turn over that I don't even know the names of 3/4 of the players. They have no identity any more. Peyton Manning is a short term and expensive stop-gap measure when they should be rebuilding and grooming a long term solution.
    I'm not sure what to think of the new coach either. I think he handled the whole Tebow situation horribly and it was painfully obvious that they were setting him up for failure with their play designs and play calling. I'm not a big Tebow fan, but they needed to at least give him a chance to do well, and he managed to win despite everything.
    They weren't any better for the defense. It was painful how often they would be playing aggressively the whole game and right near the end go into soft-prevent style defenses and stop doing what worked for them the rest of the game.

    I'm more of a fan of traditional power football with a strong mix of running and passing and an aggressive defense. I don't like teams whose idea of a run is a short pass to a running back. And every other play seems to be a long pass and they wouldn't even think about a run on 3rd and 1.

    We'll see what happens with Elway helping run things. But I'm not sure how he will be as a manager.

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    All I have to say is way too many lawyers being involved in way to many things. Quite depressing really. I guess this is what the US has come to.

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    Gentlemen, gentlemen. Let's no bicker and quibble over the activity concerning the ball. Instead, let's focus on what we can all agree upon: lauding steroid-ridden man-children with attention, money, and approval is never a recipe for disaster.

    Speaking of disasters, let's look at Kellen Moore. And people wonder why quarterbacks who hail from Boise State are suspect when they turn pro. Honestly, looking at him makes me wonder who has the worst decision-making and mechanical skills as a quarterback in the game.

    As a BSU fan, I'm going to have to disagree...spitefully. What I'm seeing is a quarterback used to timing throws and crisply run routes stuck in a system that revolves around Stafford backing up 5 to 7 steps and heaving the ball downfield with all the finesse of a javelin thrower and allowing Megatron to make him look good. Johnson is NOT a good route runner and neither are most of the other receivers the Lions have, although I suspect you'd see an upswing in Titus Young's numbers due to the familiarity he has with Moore. Also, you need a Tight End...one that can catch...not that Stafford could hit him anyway.

    Are you REALLY sure you want Shaun Hill over Kellen Moore? If you do, you've listed to too much SEC focused ESPN radio.
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    I think its more of a question of who their competition is... San Diego hasn't done much of anything for several years, the Raiders haven't done anything for a decade or more... and Denver... who knows what might happen there this year.

    I'm a Denver fan... but I don't really know why any more. McDaniels was a wreck. There has been so much turn over that I don't even know the names of 3/4 of the players. They have no identity any more. Peyton Manning is a short term and expensive stop-gap measure when they should be rebuilding and grooming a long term solution.
    I'm not sure what to think of the new coach either. I think he handled the whole Tebow situation horribly and it was painfully obvious that they were setting him up for failure with their play designs and play calling. I'm not a big Tebow fan, but they needed to at least give him a chance to do well, and he managed to win despite everything.
    They weren't any better for the defense. It was painful how often they would be playing aggressively the whole game and right near the end go into soft-prevent style defenses and stop doing what worked for them the rest of the game.

    I'm more of a fan of traditional power football with a strong mix of running and passing and an aggressive defense. I don't like teams whose idea of a run is a short pass to a running back. And every other play seems to be a long pass and they wouldn't even think about a run on 3rd and 1.

    We'll see what happens with Elway helping run things. But I'm not sure how he will be as a manager.
    Chargers fan here, and I agree with the assesment of the AFC West...its wide open because no one has stepped up and grabbed the opportunity with both hands. Chiefs will make it interesting with their run game, but I don't see them being able to put enough points on the board to win consistently. Frankly with the rules as they are now, its safer and a higher percentage to throw a wideout screen for 3 yards than to try and run in-between the tackles.

    The Chargers are once again good on paper and Gates looks healthy for the first time in three years, but Rivers has to get out of his own head. If he does then I think they win the division. Denver has a chance if Manning is in form from 3-4 years ago, but I think that the lack of ANY down field threat and 3-down possession receiver will ultimately kill their chances (Assuming of course that his head doesn't pop off after a big hit).
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    As a BSU fan, I'm going to have to disagree...spitefully. What I'm seeing is a quarterback used to timing throws and crisply run routes stuck in a system that revolves around Stafford backing up 5 to 7 steps and heaving the ball downfield with all the finesse of a javelin thrower and allowing Megatron to make him look good. Johnson is NOT a good route runner and neither are most of the other receivers the Lions have, although I suspect you'd see an upswing in Titus Young's numbers due to the familiarity he has with Moore. Also, you need a Tight End...one that can catch...not that Stafford could hit him anyway.

    Are you REALLY sure you want Shaun Hill over Kellen Moore? If you do, you've listed to too much SEC focused ESPN radio.
    Moore has awful mechanics. The Lions present his likely only chance to be a clip board holder let alone a viable backup. Young's presence on the team have absolutely no bearing on the matter since Moore, barring injuries to Stafford and Hill, will never throw to him. And I don't want to deflect but if Moore was really all that and a bag of chips, why was he signed as an undrafted free agent? In a league now slanted towards passing, wouldn't scouts give him a hard look to see if he's worth a pick? Assuming that's the case and they did, it seems none liked what they saw.

    Would I like Moore to succeed? Of course. He's on the team I root for and I don't want to see people who try hard fail. It would be great if he turns out good but I'm 99% sure that will not happen (mostly conjecture and based on what I saw week 1 of the preseason and what I read about the Lion's training camps).

    And you absolutely misrepresent Stafford. Having Calvin Johnson is a boon but Stafford is better than at 80% of the starters in the league. If Stafford puts together mildly comparable numbers over the next two seasons then he may be in the top three quarterbacks in the league due to retirements and how good his numbers are.


    We only have a small sample size but last year Stafford threw for 64% accuracy, which is remarkable. He can throw accurately and he can throw for jump balls. He can thread needles, which he has done many times. And the best part is he can improve. He could be more accurate and he could put more finesse on his throws, namely his short ones. He also could use a number 1 tight end that doesn't have calcified fingers.

    In summary, Moore is presently awful but has three games to figure it out; Stafford is up and coming and will be among the best in the league in a year or two; Johnson can beat up Godzilla; Pettigrew must seek a specialist for his boneitis.
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    The story I always tell on myself as a kid is that a friend asked me if I was going to watch the Super Bowl. "I guess, who should I root for?" That's how much I paid attention growing up. During my teen years, I found myself annoyed at the then-thick rivalry between the two Ohio teams and resisted following football as a result.

    Then early in my college years, my boss at work bought a complicated football simulator and couldn't get it to work on his machine. He tasked me (as the local computer geek) with fixing it. As it turns out, the manual for the simulator was actually a thorough discussion of the tactics and strategic issues of the sport and... I got hooked.

    I decided that, to be fair, I needed to pick a team from each conference to root for. The NFC was easy -- at the time they had a guy from a college near hear playing tight end for them, a defender named Reggie White I had heard an interview with and found I respected... and a *really* cute cheerleader in the football magazine I had bought. So yeah, NFC was an easy decision.

    AFC? I started out with nothing but an adamant decision it wasn't going to be the Bengals -- who had just come off a horrible season -- nor the Browns, simply because I didn't want to be bothered with the rivalry. With little to go on, I suddenly noticed a team whose helmets seems familiar. "Patriots, Patriots... weren't those guys in the Super Bowl a few years ago? The ones that everyone said didn't deserve to be in the game, then got blown away?" Sure enough, they were. I had my AFC team.

    So yeah, I had My Perfect SuperBowl(tm) a few years ago. It's been... kinda rough since. It is a little annoying to be called a bandwagon jumper sometimes when in fact I've followed both for decades now.


    So, Bengals. The rule of thumb is that they can almost never string two winning seasons in a row together, so I don't expect them to do so much this year.

    Eagles? Their mouths pretty much earned them what happened to them early in the season last year, I'm sad to say. Here's hoping they don't mess that up this year.

    Patriots? I, um, haven't checked yet this year. I'll need to correct that.
    Think the Bengals are bad? The Rams have been in an 11-year (or so) slump. There's three kinds of football fans in the St. Louis area: Mizzou fans, fans of out-of-town teams, and people who like to watch trainwrecks in slow motion once a week.
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    I'll still watch because anything that provides meaningful distraction in Detroit is a good thing for the region. Oh, and to re-validate my irrational hatred for all things Pennsylvania.
    Pennsylvania has always been the only real industrial competition to Detroit. You hatred is entirely rational. (Says a Detroit expatriate).

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    I'm a Denver fan... but I don't really know why any more. McDaniels was a wreck. There has been so much turn over that I don't even know the names of 3/4 of the players. They have no identity any more. Peyton Manning is a short term and expensive stop-gap measure when they should be rebuilding and grooming a long term solution.
    Yarr! We be right proper enemies! ... Wait, I think I have the wrong sport. I don't think the Lions have a long standing rivalry with Denver. Hmmm, surely there is another sport prone to violence with a rivalry between Detroit and Denver, but I cannot think what it is.

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    Think the Bengals are bad? The Rams have been in an 11-year (or so) slump. There's three kinds of football fans in the St. Louis area: Mizzou fans, fans of out-of-town teams, and people who like to watch trainwrecks in slow motion once a week.
    The Lions have never been in a superbowl. They currently hold the record for most consecutive regular season losses. I am sorry, but my team is worse than yours.
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    Think the Bengals are bad? The Rams have been in an 11-year (or so) slump. There's three kinds of football fans in the St. Louis area: Mizzou fans, fans of out-of-town teams, and people who like to watch trainwrecks in slow motion once a week.
    At one point - I think the year before you guys won a Super Bowl -- our two local franchises were first & second for the most losingest franchises in the NFL. I haven't checked those numbers lately

    While you'd righfully counter that was a bright spot in an otherwise bleak history, keep in mind the Rams have been to two Super Bowls since the Bengals had a playoff win.
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    The Lions have never been in a superbowl. They currently hold the record for most consecutive regular season losses. I am sorry, but my team is worse than yours.
    Maybe, but the last six seasons they've gone 15-65, with almost half those wins in Sam Bradford's rookie season.

    Every year they get new talent, a different coach (almost always one with a championship under his belt, too!), and whatever, and they've still managed to be an embarrassment to StL sports. Particularly considering that the Cardinals added two World Series titles to their roost in about the same time frame.
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    Maybe, but the last six seasons they've gone 15-65, with almost half those wins in Sam Bradford's rookie season.

    Every year they get new talent, a different coach (almost always one with a championship under his belt, too!), and whatever, and they've still managed to be an embarrassment to StL sports. Particularly considering that the Cardinals added two World Series titles to their roost in about the same time frame.
    I know all about the Rams. My team has beaten them 13 times in the last seven years. Rams and Seahawks were starting to have a rivalry a few years ago, but now it's just one team shoving the other team's head in the toilet and flushing.
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    Moore has awful mechanics. The Lions present his likely only chance to be a clip board holder let alone a viable backup. Young's presence on the team have absolutely no bearing on the matter since Moore, barring injuries to Stafford and Hill, will never throw to him. And I don't want to deflect but if Moore was really all that and a bag of chips, why was he signed as an undrafted free agent? In a league now slanted towards passing, wouldn't scouts give him a hard look to see if he's worth a pick? Assuming that's the case and they did, it seems none liked what they saw.

    Would I like Moore to succeed? Of course. He's on the team I root for and I don't want to see people who try hard fail. It would be great if he turns out good but I'm 99% sure that will not happen (mostly conjecture and based on what I saw week 1 of the preseason and what I read about the Lion's training camps).

    And you absolutely misrepresent Stafford. Having Calvin Johnson is a boon but Stafford is better than at 80% of the starters in the league. If Stafford puts together mildly comparable numbers over the next two seasons then he may be in the top three quarterbacks in the league due to retirements and how good his numbers are.


    We only have a small sample size but last year Stafford threw for 64% accuracy, which is remarkable. He can throw accurately and he can throw for jump balls. He can thread needles, which he has done many times. And the best part is he can improve. He could be more accurate and he could put more finesse on his throws, namely his short ones. He also could use a number 1 tight end that doesn't have calcified fingers.

    In summary, Moore is presently awful but has three games to figure it out; Stafford is up and coming and will be among the best in the league in a year or two; Johnson can beat up Godzilla; Pettigrew must seek a specialist for his boneitis.
    I don't think I'm misrepresenting Stafford entirely, heck he even said in an interview that here purposely threw into double coverage on the hope/belief that Megatron would get the ball...thats not the type of decision making that a starting QB should have.

    Moore was undrafted because guys like Mel Keiper are hung up on the fact that he's only 6'0" tall and the popular belief is that unless your 6'6" you somehow can't ever see past the the O-line. That and they focus on ARM strength, like the fact that you throw 50 yards versus yards in the air happens on more that about 5 plays a game.

    Frankly, Moore excells in the short, timing route game that the Patriots, Colts (with Manning) and Saints have shown wins consistently in today's game. Right now the Lions offense is not designed around that premise. It is designed to spread the field so that Defenses cannot put more that a Corner and Top safety coverage on Johnson...even then most of his catches outside the redzone are in the 15 yard range, and he gets them through his athleticism vice accurate throws from Stafford.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the Lions and actively root for them (since their in the NFC and don't see my Chargers all the time), and want them to succeed. I truely hope that Stafford takes the challenge and moves forward, but I also believe from watching Moore take on top ranked SEC defenses and win that with a more disciplined throwing scheme he would also be successful in the NFL.
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    I've been too busy with domestic football here to keep up with all the shenanigans in the NFL so far this season.

    I will be glued to the tv when the season starts, though.

    Not too sure I like the addition of the Thursday night games every week, though. That means 3 days of NFL football each week and with college football on Saturdays, that means a whole load of football to watch.

    Then again, I'm not sure that Sky , ESPN or Channel 4 over here will show the Thursday night games here, so I might not get to see them anyway.

    The only good thing about the Thursday night games is that they make a Grand Slam Tour a hell of a lot easier to plan. not that I could afford to make it, but still.
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    aren't you a ref Ku?
    Yes, I am. Been a busy season for me this year. In the past 20 weeks, I've had 22 games and 2 Youth 5v5 tournaments, and that is not counting the two weeks I was in Sweden, and the one weekend of the national cache's convention, so it's more like 24 scheduled events in 17 weeks.

    I've got this weekend off, and then next week, it's time for the UK National Finals weekend, where I'll be refereeing the 5v5 youth tournament to determine who the UK national champions will be.


    After that's done, I can settle into the NFL stuff and start paying more attention to what's going on.
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    As I alluded to in one of my earlier posts, I've been fascinated by the idea of a Grand Slam Tour of the NFL, where you go to watch a game for each team at their home stadium over the course of one NFL season.

    Since the season is just around the corner, I sat down a few weeks ago to look through the schedule and to see if I could map out a decent travel itinerary for achieving the Grand Slam, and I believe I've managed to find a pretty good solution.
    Most decisions were based on proximity to the previous or following games, but some were just made because I wanted to watch a specific team (Dallas on Dec 16th, for instance*).


    So, here's my schedule for the Grand Slam for the 2012 season:

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    Week 1
    Wednesday, Sept. 5
    Cowboys at Giants, 8:30 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Sept. 9
    Bills at Jets, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Sept. 10
    Bengals at Ravens, 7 p.m. ET

    Week 2
    Thursday, Sept. 13
    Bears at Packers, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Sept. 16
    Browns at Bengals, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Sept. 17
    Broncos at Falcons, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 3
    Thursday, Sept. 20
    Giants at Panthers, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Sept. 23
    Lions at Titans, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Sept. 24
    Packers at Seahawks, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 4
    Thursday, Sept. 27
    Browns at Ravens, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Sept. 30
    Giants at Eagles, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Monday, Oct. 1
    Bears at Cowboys, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 5
    Thursday, Oct. 4
    Cardinals at Rams, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Oct. 7
    Ravens at Chiefs, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Oct. 8
    Texans at Jets, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 6
    Thursday, Oct. 11
    Steelers at Titans, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Oct. 14
    Bills at Cardinals, 4:05 p.m. ET
    Monday, Oct. 15
    Broncos at Chargers, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 7
    Thursday, Oct. 18
    Seahawks at 49ers, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Oct. 21
    Jaguars at Raiders, 4:15 p.m. ET
    Monday, Oct. 22
    Lions at Bears, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 8
    Thursday, Oct. 25
    Buccaneers at Vikings, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Oct. 28
    Saints at Broncos, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Monday, Oct. 29
    49ers at Cardinals, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 9
    Thursday, Nov. 1
    Chiefs at Chargers, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Nov. 4
    Bills at Texans, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Nov. 5
    Eagles at Saints, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 10
    Thursday, Nov. 8
    Colts at Jaguars, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Nov. 11
    Chargers at Buccaneers, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Nov. 12
    Chiefs at Steelers, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 11
    Thursday, Nov. 15
    Dolphins at Bills, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Nov. 18
    Colts at Patriots, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Nov. 19
    Bears at 49ers, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 12
    Thursday, Nov. 22
    Redskins at Cowboys, 4:15 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Nov. 25
    Steelers at Browns, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Nov. 26
    Panthers at Eagles, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 13
    Thursday, Nov. 29
    Saints at Falcons, 8:20 p.m.
    Sunday, Dec. 2
    Colts at Lions, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Dec. 3
    Giants at Redskins, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 14
    Thursday, Dec. 6
    Broncos at Raiders, 8:20 p.m ET
    Sunday, Dec. 9
    Titans at Colts, 1 p.m. ET
    Monday, Dec. 10
    Texans at Patriots, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 15
    Thursday, Dec. 13
    Bengals at Eagles, 8:20 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Dec. 16
    Steelers at Cowboys, 4:15 p.m. ET
    Monday, Dec. 17
    Jets at Titans, 8:30 p.m. ET

    Week 16
    Saturday, Dec. 22
    Falcons at Lions, 8:30 p.m. ET
    Sunday, Dec. 23
    Bills at Dolphins, 1 p.m. ET

    Week 17
    Sunday, Dec. 30
    Cowboys at Redskins, 1 p.m. ET


    Not including the distance for me to travel from Scotland to the US, and then back again, and only using the distance from stadium to stadium, the total travel distance for this trip would be 43,447 miles.

    All that's needed now is to get hold of lots of money to be able to pay for the whole thing.



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    ku *flinch*
    you're a *gasp* cowboys fan?

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    ku *flinch*
    you're a *gasp* cowboys fan?

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    i was RAISED to hate that team
    Yes. Yes I am. Has been for the past 20 odd years. From when I started following American Football.
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    Oh KuReshtin, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

    A Dallas fan? I can think of no other fanbase that is so force-fed the Kool-aid from local and national media outlets than that of the Cowboys. The Cowboys are not a playoff team. They are not a top ten team. Their players are vastly overrated, save for Ware, to drum up ticket and merchandise sales.

    Ku, please tell me you're a level-headed Cowboys fan that knows taking the East is the only way to play in winter and that the team needs some work.
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    Oh KuReshtin, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

    A Dallas fan? I can think of no other fanbase that is so force-fed the Kool-aid from local and national media outlets than that of the Cowboys. The Cowboys are not a playoff team. They are not a top ten team. Their players are vastly overrated, save for Ware, to drum up ticket and merchandise sales.

    Ku, please tell me you're a level-headed Cowboys fan that knows taking the East is the only way to play in winter and that the team needs some work.
    Of course I know that they're not a top-tier team, and that getting to the playoffs is going to be tough. The NFC East is, and has always been the Black-and-Blue division, with any team able to beat the crap out of any other team in the division.

    However, even if I'm realistic about the Cowboys chances of getting to see the post season, I also think that a lot of the criticism from other teams are a bit unfounded.
    Yes, they're not a top-tier team, and they do need a lot of help in some areas, but they're not as bad as a lot of people try to make them out to be.
    DeMarco Murray is a very good RB, and if Felix Jones can stay healthy, he's a good backup player that can make things happen if he gets the ball in the open field. Felix is definitely not an every-down back, though.
    Offensive line is obviously a constant problem, and the team needs to get something sorted with that sooner, rather than later. reports from training camp looks good for Tyron Smith transfering to Left tackle to cover Romo's blind side.

    Then we get to Romo. He's actually not as bad as a lot of people think. he can get things to happen, and he can think on his feet when things break down. If he'd have a decent O-line, he would be a lot better. And please don't mention that damn "Can't win in December" bull****. Since 2008, the Cowboys have gone 2-3, 3-2, 3-2, 1-4 in the last 5 weeks of the season, and in the same time period, the Giants went 2-3, 2-3, 3-2, 3-2 with Eli at the helm, so not that big a difference.

    The defensive secondary is the main problem with the team, and they haven't had a reliable corner of safety for quite a while, and they've allowed a lot of cheap TDs because of it i the past few years.

    not having seen any of the preseason games or read very much about the goings on in training camp, I don't know what to expect from the Cowboys this season.

    I'm hoping for a winning season, but they could just as easily finish 5-11. I'm just hoping they sweep the Redskins and get a win over the Eagles or Giants during the season.
    Looking at their schedule, the NFC east plays the NFC South and AFC North this season.
    I'd say that realistically, that could result in wins against Cleveland and Tampa at home, and hopefully Carolina away. Hopefully, they'll also get a win at Seattle. If they then can beat the Redskins twice and either the Giants of Eagles once, I'd be happy with that. That would mean a 7-9 season, which isn't ideal, but I think realistic.
    If they then can pick up another stray win elsewhere, that would make things even better.
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    And you have become my favorite Cowboys fan.

    I can't think of a team that wouldn't take Murray. I keep forgetting about him and he is quality. And perhaps I was a bit hard on the wide receiving corps. I'll leave my opinion of Dez's eligibility to play this year out of the conversation, but I'm sure you can guess where I stand on the matter.

    Romo however is almost as over-rated as Roethlisberger in favor of Ben as he has and can win still. I won't bring up the record down the regular season stretch but he seems to make terrible errors at the worst times with enough frequency to raise eyebrows. Let's take the game against the Lions last year.

    I will admit again that I am a Detroit Lions fan. I was pleased as punch that the Lions came from behind in the fourth quarter to win. However, I would be absolutely dishonest if I said the Lions had any business winning that game. The Cowboys had that game locked and if not for the defense, namely the pass defense, and Romo throwing inopportune picks, Detroit would have had a very different season.

    I've wondered if coaching is a problem with the 'Boys. I think Rob Ryan is a bit of a blow-hard clown like his brother and isn't nearly as talented (of course I think Rex isn't that talented either, so that should be telling). What are the perceptions of the coaches in Dallas?
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