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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Have two creatures, one breathing X and exhaling Y, the other the same in reverse?
    Biollurgical chassis also need to be fed. I guess some system with silver transformers doing food-generating spells could work...hmm, I guess you could give one of them the Metabolic Reserve graft, so they can spit out energy damage that charges up a corresponding transformer to power the food-generating tin one.
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    That should work.
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    I think it was Amechra who mentioned it but has any one figured how to make the internet yet. The way I see it couldn't every one have like personal circuit fixed on the and have the whole city covers in one big AI bubble. Isn't possible to have an AI imachinate ones voice and transfer the sound to routing bubbles to send messages?

    How would one create nanobots?

    I think Heuristics specialist should b very scary. Would be an interesting mind controller/hacker . Just for starters.

    How long does overcoming the circuit? If it takes a minute your saboteur could do less time. I'm trying to come up with a security system. AI scans intruder's, purpose then pulls them into shifting plane, while at the same time a wall of imachination kicks in and shows the character attempting to break in (for purpose of any partners nearby.

    Is there any way to scry like using cameras for security.
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    Ah, awesome. I wasn't the guy who first came up with that, but I have an alternative version - stick a biollurgical chassis in there, so all you have to do is smash a glass bead or whatever and there you go, you have a creature out there! Magitech pokemon.

    Of course, there's the life support issue, but I'm sure there's tons of ways of dealing with that.
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    stick a biollurgical chassis in there, so all you have to do is smash a glass bead or whatever and there you go, you have a creature out there! Magitech pokemon.
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    All of my want. This. We need more of it. Heck, you don't even need biolurgy. Just put any old creature inside. Heck, put soldiers in there and use it as an airdrop delivery system.
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    How would one create nanobots?
    My first instinct says biollurgic swarm or ooze, but I don't see any way of achieving that, right now.
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    First, I would like to say that this is one of the most beautiful, eloquent and, most of all, exciting pieces of homebrew I have seen on the forums. The possibilities that this spawns in terms of world-building, character concept realisations etc. is staggering.
    Unfortunately I haven't read enough to come up with any new novel uses for this system, but the potential is very great indeed.

    I just have a few questions about BIOY 101 and the volumes it effects in relation to the volumes taken up by creatures. I have read through the thread, but I found that the link you provided only had information about the length or height of a creature. Estimation is possible, but eyeballing the volume more exotic creatures occupy is open to a lot of interpretation, so would a list of creatures volumes per size category and whether they are quadrupeds or not would be great.

    Secondly, making a HUGE SUPER MONSTER OF DEATH (really, this thing screams out for someone to attempt to recreate godzilla) using BIOY 228 is extremely problematic if you require sleep, because of the consecutive preparations required to animate objects of that size. For reference, an elephant is Huge in DnD, and in real life it takes up a volume of approximately 5 cubic metres, which is about 135 cubic feet, so creating a bio-chassis war elephant would take about 6 days straight.
    One way to remedy this I see could be to alter the BIOY 273 to be able to alter a bio-chassis' size by one category larger or smaller, maybe as a special 8 hour preparation? With a maximum and minimum size limit based on your ranks in Heal?

    Overall, love it so much .

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    You can speed up construction by either getting friends to help, or by simply locking the Principles you've got on there and coming back later.

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    You can speed up construction by either getting friends to help, or by simply locking the Principles you've got on there and coming back later.
    .... You can come back to principles later? Wow I really misread something in there, I thought you had to prepare a Principle enough times to create/affect whatever you wanted to affect/create consecutively.
    That's fine then.

    Second nitpick, in BIOY 101, you can create affect cubic foot per preparation, but the HD of the biostructure created is keyed of the thickness of the structure. Does this mean I could prepare the Principle 100 times and create a wall 1 foot by 1 foot by 100 foot long and key the thickness of the 100 foot length, so it would have 100HD?

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    Could you put a list somewhere of how much all these materials cost per cubic foot? Even for the materials that have a cost per pound (iron, copper, silver, gold and platinum) need you to go to the DMG to find the cost, go here to Alchemetry to find density, and then work it out, so having the cost per cubic foot would be convenient. As for the rest...well. Adamantine, cold iron and crystal, although they have writeups, all only work out their costs based off usage in weapons and armour, not for other items or just chunks of the stuff. And the rest of the materials needed (like lead, mercury, diamond and tin), we don't have any pricings, only density for most of them (but some like diamond don't even have that). So yeah, knowing how much we're supposed to pay for the materials to make all the gramarie stuff would be useful.

    EDIT: Oh, and how biollurgical chassis size in cubic feet quite relates to size category would be handy.
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    .... You can come back to principles later? Wow I really misread something in there, I thought you had to prepare a Principle enough times to create/affect whatever you wanted to affect/create consecutively.
    That's fine then.
    Yeah, I don't think it's ever explicitly mentioned anywhere, but since it is needed in order to work for more than 16 hours a day, most people were assuming it. It would be good for it to be explicitly mentioned in the text.
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    As for the biollurgy volume problem:
    I took the possibly too complicated approach.

    I calculated the volume of a human (70 kg body weight at density equal to water (~1) gives 0.07 cubic meters or about 2.5 cubic feet).
    Next assumption was that that human fills a 6 ft. cube in D&D terms, or 216 cubic feet.
    That gives a correction factor of 90: living creatures have about 1/90 of the volume in actual body matter of the space they take up in D&D terms.

    Which leads to this table.
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    Actually, if you check the Principles of Grammarie class feature, right after where it talks about multiple Grammarists working on the same project, there is a little bit about Grammarists "locking" a set of Principles so that only they can come back and work on them.

    Also, thanks for the table; I'm assuming that the minimum/maximum cubes columns are the numerical ranges for cubic feet?

    So a Human would take about 3 preparations, if I'm reading that right.

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    If someone sticks their head through a black filter, does their body go limp?

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    If someone sticks their head through a black filter, does their body go limp?
    Since they don't loose all of their memories, I'm going with no.

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    Yes they would; their nerve impulses would stop at the Black barrier.

    Anesthetic, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Actually, if you check the Principles of Grammarie class feature, right after where it talks about multiple Grammarists working on the same project, there is a little bit about Grammarists "locking" a set of Principles so that only they can come back and work on them.

    Also, thanks for the table; I'm assuming that the minimum/maximum cubes columns are the numerical ranges for cubic feet?

    So a Human would take about 3 preparations, if I'm reading that right.
    "Cubes" refers to the area a creature fills by the rules. A medium creature is between four and eight feet in size, so I assumed that it takes up a cube with a length of between four and eight feet for combat purposes. It's actual body volume is only a small part of that, which are the volume columns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Yes they would; their nerve impulses would stop at the Black barrier.

    Anesthetic, perhaps?
    No other barrier prevents the internal functions of life, why would black?

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    Because all the other ones specifically state that they don't affect things inside a living creature, and Black has no such note?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Because all the other ones specifically state that they don't affect things inside a living creature, and Black has no such note?
    But then when your brain passed through it, or books, or scrolls, wouldn't the information contained within be lost?

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    But then when your brain passed through it, or books, or scrolls, wouldn't the information contained within be lost?
    I am confused by this statement The black filter essentially makes it impossible to know what is happening on the other side of the filter... nothing more nothing else. Thus when someone's hand is through the filter their brain should not know what the hand is experiencing since you can't know whats happening on the other side.

    Or at least thats what I thought the argument was.
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    Thank you! I'm glad that you like it. Amechra's exactly right that you can come back to a principle later on to keep working on it, so if you spend enough time or get enough buddies to help you you can make some truly enormous stuff.

    Second nitpick, in BIOY 101, you can create affect cubic foot per preparation, but the HD of the biostructure created is keyed of the thickness of the structure. Does this mean I could prepare the Principle 100 times and create a wall 1 foot by 1 foot by 100 foot long and key the thickness of the 100 foot length, so it would have 100HD?
    This has to do with how hit points in objects are measured. Most material, like iron, has hit points per inch of thickness. That means that if I swing a hammer at a wall of iron or something, I know how many hit points I have to chew up before I break through to the other side in that particular spot. Unlike creatures, structures don't necessarily suffer critical existence failure just from smashing part of them (unless we're talking about sunders). Because biostructure has properties of both creatures and objects, instead of a flat number of hit points per inch it has one HD per inch of thickness. Note that when you turn it into a chassis and give it life, it loses this material accounting technique and switches to a normal creature progression of hit points.

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    Could you put a list somewhere of how much all these materials cost per cubic foot? Even for the materials that have a cost per pound (iron, copper, silver, gold and platinum) need you to go to the DMG to find the cost, go here to Alchemetry to find density, and then work it out, so having the cost per cubic foot would be convenient. As for the rest...well. Adamantine, cold iron and crystal, although they have writeups, all only work out their costs based off usage in weapons and armour, not for other items or just chunks of the stuff. And the rest of the materials needed (like lead, mercury, diamond and tin), we don't have any pricings, only density for most of them (but some like diamond don't even have that). So yeah, knowing how much we're supposed to pay for the materials to make all the gramarie stuff would be useful.
    I'll see what I can do, absolutely. The problem with arbitrary pricing though is that in a gramarie-enabled setting you can turn iron (cheaply available) into pretty much any other metal. The price of metals has a lot to do with the technology level of your setting.

    EDIT: Oh, and how biollurgical chassis size in cubic feet quite relates to size category would be handy.
    The space and height guidelines are just that- guidelines. Like Eldan said, humans take up far less space than a Medium-sized creature could take up. Essentially, they're maximums. As soon as you roll over the maximum space alloted to a Medium creature (measured by volume) you end up classified a Large creature. That being said, the rules are incredibly inconsistent with this, having long and tall and skinny and fat creatures that make no sense with their designated size category. So... yeah! For something inherently inventive like designing a chassis, your best bet is to describe the proportions and features of it, figure out what rough category it fits into, and then decide how much of that maximum space is actually filled with monster.

    If someone sticks their head through a black filter, does their body go limp?
    Very interesting question, and it relates to the nature of information. I'm going to go with sort of. Explicitly the only way that information can be carried back and forth through a Black filter is physically. Sensory information just doesn't pass through it. But everything else in the world does pass through it like it weren't there. If you reach through a Black filter and touch something, you wouldn't feel it because the sensory information needs to move from your hands to your mind, passing through the filter. So, yeah, anesthetic is totally possible with it. But once your brain passes through to the other side, you can interpret everything on that side of it properly. I realize that the rules text for this filter is somewhat ambiguous, I'm going to try to clean it up and explain it a little better. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

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    But then when your brain passed through it, or books, or scrolls, wouldn't the information contained within be lost?
    Similarly, no. It's sensory outputs, exactly as described in imachination, that don't pass through a Black filter.

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    After doing a lot of calculations the last two days, I'm also introducing two new rules to YGGD 101 to stop ridiculous abuses:

    1. Fields that occur inside of a semi-space do not pass through the portal and radiate out from it. For example, if you have an input transformer inside of a semi-space, the net doesn't extend past the portal.
    2. Similarly, inside is a nebulous term when it comes to a semi-space. From now on, something is called inside whatever space more than 50% of its volume is in. Eldrikinetic engines now only generate Push in the space that they're described as being inside.

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    Secondly, I also have new pricing rules! Huzzah!

    When you buy something made of gramarie, you're essentially buying a set of principles that have been prepared on your behalf, and you're buying the raw materials. Every principle that has been used has a value of anywhere from 1 to 9. Every principle starts at a value of 0 for price.

    {table=head]Factor|Value
    Baccalaureate Principle|+1
    Magisterial Principle|+3
    Doctorate Principle|+5
    Baccalaureate Tech-Level Setting|+2
    Magisterial Tech-Level Setting|+1
    Doctorate Tech-Level Setting|+0
    [Specialist] Principle|+2[/table]

    Once you establish the value of each principle that went into the thing you're buying, check this chart for the price of purchasing it:

    {table=head]Value|Price
    1|3 gp
    2|9 gp
    3|27 gp
    4|81 gp
    5|243 gp
    6|729 gp
    7|2,187 gp
    8|6,561 gp
    9|19,683 gp[/table]

    This has several ramifications: the same gramarie is valued less by society as the general technology level of the society advances. For example, a magical empire on the Astral Plane which is at Doctorate-level won't be willing to pay as much for your semi-space as the mud farmers back home.

    Next, specialist principles are now much more valued, since only one out of any eight gramarists will have the specialisation that you need.

    In general, the numbers seem to work fairly well to stop players from abusing it too badly on both ends: making a ton of money for nothing, and buying awesome stuff too cheaply (especially stuff that they couldn't make for themselves, like specialist principles).

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    Why would you want such a thing? Well, for one thing, bubbles get obscenely expensive in terms of time as they get larger. And chaining wood transformers results in stupidly high losses.

    You can use light beams to perform long range power transmission (10+ kilometers) at 75% maximum efficiency using a Gold input on the other end, with little required other than a set of focusing lenses if you need a waystation due to curvature and such.

    Also, if you have enough UMD and ebbs, it's also somewhat like a laser cannon. No, that was definitely not an intentional result. =P

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    Time to design my first handheld weapon. Create a demiplane, preferably time accelerated, and build in it a generator system linked to a Crystal Output Transformer. Encapsulate the Transformer in a sphere-like configuration of semi-space portals that loop around to the other side. Place at least one additional portal in this area and link them to the ends of your gun-shaped implements of choice. Assign an AI control of the portals and Transformers, turn on your epic sub-woofer and accumulate infinite decibels. If you'd like to limit the hemispherical wave of destruction that ensues when you open the portal, just fashion a barrel out of Black Filters to make it into a cone or a beam.

    Here's another interesting idea: get a sphere of uniform density and tether two gravity Fluxes to it so that exactly half of the sphere is in each one. Tether a Violet Filter to the sphere and then get an AI to modulate the gravity Fluxes to get the sphere floating perfectly stationary in the air. Finally, have the Fluxes directed in opposite directions.
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    Now this is a very complex system so forgive me if my following assumptions are fundamentally flawed.

    1) A golden arcanodynamic input creates a 5ft bubble of darkness in otherwise complete day light producing 3 ebbs

    2) A golden arcanodynamic output requires 4 ebbs to fill its bubble with sun light, whether that bubble is 5ft or 50ft

    If those points are correct then one could create a 50ft sphere of light would cost 4 ebbs per round to power and put a number of golden inputs within that area producing tremendous free power. If Iím right itís probably because golden transformers are unique in that increasing the bubble actually increases the affect, were most have a measurable affect unrelated to area.

    Also regarding the YGGD 101 rule changes. Aw, now Iím going to have to rethink several of my contraptions. Do the new rules affect output transformers, or affects that target the closest person or object?

    How do the new YGGD 101 rules affect heuristic circuits, are nodes within semi-spaces that are within heuristic fields counted as being in the heuristic field themselves? My gut says no but I have to ask.

    Also can a Gramarist use his eldritch blast as a power source?

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    I would think so...

    But yeah, you can do some very nasty things with a Daylight Cannon; you'll need a cart, but you can vaporize many undead without much problem by just pointing the aperture at them and removing a cover.

    There's also the fact that you can make Gold a lot lighter by converting it into Biostructure, then combining it with a cubic foot of Tin, also converted to Biomass.

    Since it always goes for the worst of all values, you'd end up with the equivalent of 1 cubic foot of Gold and 1 cubic foot of Tin with Tin's stats.

    Then, alter the density of this material by a factor of [Diplomacy check/10]; so, if you can hit a DC 40 Diplo check, you can easily get it down to just weighing 90 lb/cubic foot.

    So, yeah, you just cut down weight by 1020 lbs, even though you doubled the volume taken up.

    Then, we have the thing absorb light, and turn something nasty into a vicious acid. So, for example, take Quicksilver, which is a liquid at room temperature, and turn it into a vicious acid.

    I'm sorry, everything immersed in the doubletime death fluid has the rate of damage DOUBLED.

    Yay 40d6 Acid damage/round equivalent!

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    Now this is a very complex system so forgive me if my following assumptions are fundamentally flawed.

    1) A golden arcanodynamic input creates a 5ft bubble of darkness in otherwise complete day light producing 3 ebbs

    2) A golden arcanodynamic output requires 4 ebbs to fill its bubble with sun light, whether that bubble is 5ft or 50ft

    If those points are correct then one could create a 50ft sphere of light would cost 4 ebbs per round to power and put a number of golden inputs within that area producing tremendous free power. If Iím right itís probably because golden transformers are unique in that increasing the bubble actually increases the affect, were most have a measurable affect unrelated to area.
    Good question! You're right that gold transformers work a little differently than most of them, and the key thing you missed is that output transformers have bubbles attached to them that follow all the same rules for input transformers. This only comes up when you have something like the heat or cold or light transformers that affect some ambient feature inside of the net; for the other transformers it's only real relevance is that the bubbles have to match in size to fit them together.

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    Luminous output generates illumination within the bubble. The level of the illumination depends on the amount of energy transformed. If 2 ebbs are transformed, shadowy illumination is generated. If 3 ebbs are transformed, normal light is generated. If 4 ebbs are transformed, full daylight (including all benefits related to daylight, such as its effects on vampires) is generated. A specific level of radiance can be set when the transformer is first prepared, and the level can be modulated by anyone holding the transformer. Excess energy increases the area of the illumination, increasing the bubble of light's radius by 10ft. per ebb. Light output from a transformer still radiates lesser illumination beyond its normal radius like any other light source.
    So it starts off with a radius of the normal bubble size for the net, and extra ebbs can advance the bubble size beyond that. You're absolutely right that you could probably set up a machine that uses sets of gold input and output to make some free energy, but it's not quite as simple as just setting the gold output to 500ft. or something.


    EDIT: I'm sorry, I was looking back over your post, and I'm actually not sure whether you thought that the bubble of light was increasable with extra ebbs, or if you thought that the radius could arbitrarily be decided when you set it up. If the former, that is indeed what's intended. Sorry if I misinterpreted


    Also regarding the YGGD 101 rule changes. Aw, now Iím going to have to rethink several of my contraptions. Do the new rules affect output transformers, or affects that target the closest person or object?
    Haha, yeah, I'm sorry. There's just too many easy exploits, like completely negating the point of engines having weight.

    Specifically it targets area effects. You can still, say, shoot an arrow through the portal, or a ray, or something like that. But something like a fireball or an output transformer's bubble stops at the boundary.

    How do the new YGGD 101 rules affect heuristic circuits, are nodes within semi-spaces that are within heuristic fields counted as being in the heuristic field themselves? My gut says no but I have to ask.
    Good catch! The circuit is itself a bubble-shaped field which can control the portal. So you can control the portal opening or closing, which could also trigger a circuit built inside of the space, but you don't automagically get to control everything inside the space. This is actually a fairly key point, because it means that you can't have a six-mile wide demiplane under the perfect control of one circuit just because the portal is inside of the bubble.

    Also can a Gramarist use his eldritch blast as a power source?
    Yes! It's a spell-like ability, and can be used to power a silver input. I gave it to them specifically so that they would always have a way to generate energy, actually. That's also why silver nets come with ARCD 101.

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    Time to design my first handheld weapon. Create a demiplane, preferably time accelerated, and build in it a generator system linked to a Crystal Output Transformer. Encapsulate the Transformer in a sphere-like configuration of semi-space portals that loop around to the other side. Place at least one additional portal in this area and link them to the ends of your gun-shaped implements of choice. Assign an AI control of the portals and Transformers, turn on your epic sub-woofer and accumulate infinite decibels. If you'd like to limit the hemispherical wave of destruction that ensues when you open the portal, just fashion a barrel out of Black Filters to make it into a cone or a beam.
    I really like that use of Black filters! That's very inventive.

    Quote Originally Posted by jseah
    Why would you want such a thing? Well, for one thing, bubbles get obscenely expensive in terms of time as they get larger. And chaining wood transformers results in stupidly high losses.

    You can use light beams to perform long range power transmission (10+ kilometers) at 75% maximum efficiency using a Gold input on the other end, with little required other than a set of focusing lenses if you need a waystation due to curvature and such.

    Also, if you have enough UMD and ebbs, it's also somewhat like a laser cannon. No, that was definitely not an intentional result. =P
    That's pretty super great. Once you have long-range transmission like that, it also means that you can have circuits communicating with each other across massive distances. And also it just totally seems like a thing that would happen, with engineers designing this awesome power source and somebody getting the idea to use it as a death cannon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra
    Then, we have the thing absorb light, and turn something nasty into a vicious acid. So, for example, take Quicksilver, which is a liquid at room temperature, and turn it into a vicious acid.

    I'm sorry, everything immersed in the doubletime death fluid has the rate of damage DOUBLED.
    Outstanding. Awesome use of quicksilver and acid outputs, that's really clever.
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    Radmelon's right. Want.
    This has to do with how hit points in objects are measured. Most material, like iron, has hit points per inch of thickness. That means that if I swing a hammer at a wall of iron or something, I know how many hit points I have to chew up before I break through to the other side in that particular spot. Unlike creatures, structures don't necessarily suffer critical existence failure just from smashing part of them (unless we're talking about sunders). Because biostructure has properties of both creatures and objects, instead of a flat number of hit points per inch it has one HD per inch of thickness. Note that when you turn it into a chassis and give it life, it loses this material accounting technique and switches to a normal creature progression of hit points.
    Ahh, so when trying to damage a section, it has HD and thus hitpoints based on the thickness relative to the direction the damage is coming from?

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    That tableís great Eldan!

    After a much more thorough read through, I have just a few more teeny, tiny, miniscule little questions in relation to some of the Principles.

    1. With orichalcum in ALCH 364, since one cubic foot of orichalcum weighs 1,340lb according to your table and stores 100 Ebbs, a ďbeadĒ of orichalcum which stores 1 Ebb will have a weight of 134lb, and if the bead was in the shape of a cube would have size lengths of approximately 2.5 inches (a bit bigger than a clenched fist). Not sure if this was intentional, or not?
    2. Also with the same principle, with Alkahest is there a limit to the volume of metal that can be dissolved in some volume of Alkahest? With one cubic foot of alkahest could I cumatively create infinite effective alkahest, because it specifies that the dissolved metal is added to the volume of the Alkahest solution? Would adding a limit to the volume of non-Alkahest metal that can be dissolved in an Alkahest solution based on the volume of the pure Alkahest solution work?
    3. In ELDK 355, with the lightning leap ability, the wording does not specify what is the end of a leap, so how far can you travel with one leap? Is it based of the speed due to the Push of the Engine and Bulk of the cargo?
    4. When transforming planetary metals using ALCH 286, does the transformed amount key of the volume of the metals, or the weight of the initial and final metals? For example if I had 1 cubic foot of tin, would it create 1 cubic foot of gold? Or would it create a ľ a cubic foot of gold? Additionally if a had a cubic foot of gold and turned it into tin, would it produce 1 cubic foot of tin, or would it create 4 cubic feet of tin?
    5. Also with polarcane flux in YGGD 212, with the gravity and magnetic fields created, is there some kind of interaction with the effect of the gravity or magnetic field with the Push created by engines, and so can we use them to push objects somehow?
    6. Does increasing the size of input bubble for an arcanodynamic transformer with ARCD 101 increase the number of Ebbs it can absorb? For example, if I have a gold arcanodynamic transformer, with a typical 5ft bubble input, then it can absorb a maximum of 3 Ebb per round, with full daylight in one square. If I then increase the input bubble size to 10ft (which has up to 8 squares included in the input), does that mean the gold transformer will then absorb a maximum of 24 Ebb per round (assuming the UMD check was high enough)?
    /Super Nitpick Mode Engaged/ In IMCH 101, when talking about mimicry, you mean ďKenkuĒ not ďKenkyĒ /Mode Disabled/
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    Scratch that, just released you can only use HEUR 302 with alchemetric or kaleidomantic stuff, not biollurgy .
    Ok then, may as well use what I've already got - endless wall reinforcer.
    First create 2 gold arcanodynamic transformer set to input using ARCD 204, which turns freely available sunlight into Ebb. Then create a wooden arcanodynamic transformer, using ARCD 101, set to output the Ebbs created using the gold transformer as puissance. These two transformers have a bulk rating of 54, as they take up a Tiny space combined, and gold is extremely heavy. A simple orthogonal engine is created using ELDK 101. These three are then combined using one preparation of HEUR 101 and 6 preparations of HEUR 302 to create the logical decision to output the Ebbís as puissance into 6 preparation of ALCH 101 to increase the hardness and hitpoints of a an adjacent volume of substance 3 times greater than that normally affected by a preparation of ALCH 101 (i.e. 24 cubic feet, or almost a 5ft by 5ft by 1ft rectangular prism), and further whenever this preparation is completed to route the Ebbs directly from the gold arcanodynamic transformers into the simple orthogonal engine, and so move the entire contraption forward by 5 feet along rails, and to then repeat this command upon the newly adjacent surface.
    If I havenít done anything wrong with the HEUR principles, this is an automatic wall reinforcer which you can plop down on some rails and use it to strengthen walls, and even to make proper roads, sidewalks etc.!

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    If you combined several of those light rays with black filters, you could build a kind of laser semaphore. Now nothing is stopping you from building the internet.
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    Alright, a challenge, everyone; what is the coolest device you can make at level, say, 6, assuming that you are the highest level Grammarist in the world?

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    I think its easier to get infinite power generation from gold inputs/outputs than you think.

    1) get a 385x385 feet space to work with, preferably in the open
    2) create one gold output in the center of the space
    3) create 8 gold inputs in each 5 foot square surrounding the input
    4) link the inputs to the output via a circuit
    5) either wait for the sun to shine or create a daylight spell
    6) you generate 24 ebbs powering the gold input, creating roughly 385x385 area of sunlight on the ground, which is about 29,000 squares without anything in them
    7) create gold outputs in each square
    8) produce roughly 87000 ebbs per round.

    Who needs orichalcum when you have gold transformers?

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