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    Alright, so setting up a Flux is based off of the plane that you are on, right?

    So if I were a 14th+ level Yggdrarchitecture specialist, could I set up a 2x time Demiplane, and then set up an area of Flux with 2x time, and then put a box of Moonsilver there, for a 8x time bonanza? (I love my workshop, yes I do, I love my workshop, how about you?)

    Or the other way around, for a 1/4 time area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Alright, so setting up a Flux is based off of the plane that you are on, right?

    So if I were a 14th+ level Yggdrarchitecture specialist, could I set up a 2x time Demiplane, and then set up an area of Flux with 2x time, and then put a box of Moonsilver there, for a 8x time bonanza? (I love my workshop, yes I do, I love my workshop, how about you?)

    Or the other way around, for a 1/4 time area?
    I think a double stacking is the best you're going to get. You can set a flux property to a demiplane when you first make it (or a gravity trait), but if you set up a flux inside of your own demiplane it's just going to be a different magnetic or gravity effect in the field compared to the rest of the demiplane. It doesn't get a totally separate set of planar traits compared to the rest of the Plane.

    But yes, the time demiplane as a whole and the quicksilver workshop are feasible, so a 4x time flow is doable. Although bear in mind that that takes two Specialist principle from two separate disciplines, so you'd have to procure the quicksilver from another gramarist.

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    Of course; after all, we could share the workshop, making wonders in a fourth of the time...

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    so, a simple nuke would be one cobic foot of sunmetal, 1 cubic foot of orchium, and a circut set for contact or some such... then dump the charge into the sunmetal... nasty. I would ask, could a lead transformer input be used as a sort of decontamination system? or hell a nuke shield(super buffed lead plated ship, each plate being a lead input transformer. when you get nuked the radiation is absorbed into puristance... make a couple if you want to be sure.)?
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    Current thought experiment:
    - Create device that makes things. Input materials and commands (likely through ebbs down a circuit), and it performs the desired principles on the materials in question. Bonus points if it can be made entirely of quicksilver or manipulate a quicksilver airlock for double speed, although that's not quite as necessary. Must also be able to output finished materials.
    - Make a random time plane attached to another, regular (or double) time plane. Stick the aforementioned device inside, removing and repeating as necessary to ensure its presence in a 1 round:24 hours time flow.
    - Resulting device should have a 28800:1 time efficiency ratio. If you can input commands and materials once per round, it has 48 hours worth of principles to enact on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryl View Post
    - Make a random time plane attached to another, regular (or double) time plane. Stick the aforementioned device inside, removing and repeating as necessary to ensure its presence in a 1 round:24 hours time flow.
    - Resulting device should have a 28800:1 time efficiency ratio. If you can input commands and materials once per round, it has 48 hours worth of principles to enact on them.
    In order to to that, you'd need the planejumping engine, hooked up to a circuit in the "Nexus", which has circuitry connected to clocks in many random time planes. It then automatically planeshifts to whichever plane is going fastest.
    And you need enough erratic time planes to assure best flowing time rate. And you'd need in all either enclosed in quicksilver or made of it to actually reach 28800:1. You can't stack time x2 and erratic time, as there effects overwrite each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojolagger View Post
    In order to to that, you'd need the planejumping engine, hooked up to a circuit in the "Nexus", which has circuitry connected to clocks in many random time planes. It then automatically planeshifts to whichever plane is going fastest.
    And you need enough erratic time planes to assure best flowing time rate. And you'd need in all either enclosed in quicksilver or made of it to actually reach 28800:1. You can't stack time x2 and erratic time, as there effects overwrite each other.
    Time testing can be done with an engine that generates/outputs 100 ebbs per day. Stick it across, and if you have ~100 ebbs 1 round later, you have a fast timestream. Otherwise, recall it and stick it into another timestream. I haven't read the details on the power, robotics, and logic magitek yet, but this should be doable.
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    Love it. I'd call it the most interesting system on these boards, and I haven't even read it all. I'll give you a proper response once I got that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryl View Post
    Time testing can be done with an engine that generates/outputs 100 ebbs per day. Stick it across, and if you have ~100 ebbs 1 round later, you have a fast timestream. Otherwise, recall it and stick it into another timestream. I haven't read the details on the power, robotics, and logic magitek yet, but this should be doable.
    However, I we must probe each timestream in turn, we lose efficiency. As such, it is more effective to use logic circuits and shift charges, and measure the relative times each probe takes to shift a charge back. Power generation should be built into the machine that'll be sitting in 28800:1 time, not wasted where it'll be 1:14400 time.
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    So, once the automation is up, what are we building?

    I mean, we could make a sensor array by having a circuit that generates <Divination effect desired>, that is wired through a paraplegic gnome we stuck in a Flux, which the Intelligence in control of the circuit then uses to sense things.

    And, thanks to the wealth of different illusion options...

    We could build the Holodeck if we wanted to; you could even kill someone with it, if the Grammarist is a high enough level...

    Hmm... Just thought of an awesome steering system; the circuit in the control area of the craft generates a precise illusion of the are around the craft, scaled to the pilot. There is another circuit with an Intelligence that translates the mental impulses of the pilot into controls for the engines and weapons.

    If you wanted to make your ship harder to steal, set it up to be steered by a creature with Tremorsense and Mindsight.

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    Firstly, let me congratulate you on making this Incredibly Awesome set of rules.

    Anyway, it is probably intended but even while reading, I have already thought of multiple applications and devices (often before I even finished a section). This is great stuff.
    I have broken down the devices into individual modules, so they can be easily mixed and matched.

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    Curie Effect (aka. nuclear reactor)
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    100 ebbs + 1 cubic foot of sunmetal (which is 4 hours = 2400 ebbs) = nuke. Nuke deals d10 negative levels to each creature in 1 mile radius, also some hellfire damage.
    So if you can stuff 2500 ebbs generation into that mile radius, you make a profit. Given that transformer bubbles are actually quite small, you should be able to make lots of Ice behind heatshields (which have been buffed for resistance to fire, perhaps using normal magic enchantment)

    Of course, you can also spend more ebbs to perform the alchemical transition of any metal into gold (2 hours = 1200 ebbs) and then into sunmetal.

    Given that it's 1 mile radius, the number of transformers you could stuff in would be truly gigantic so I see no problems in meeting the 3700 ebbs breakeven point and have a nuclear reactor able to transform 1 cubic foot of any metal into some insane amount of energy. Better have a huge orichalum battery to tide you over to the next cycle (in 6 hours time).

    One would also think that Red kaleidomantic filters would come in rather useful in blocking collateral damage, although lead transformers would also be nice to have.


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    Dead simple, a Gold Input wired to Wood Output (and then transferred wherever) FYI, assuming a mere 6 hours of full daylight, a Gold Input generates 3 ebbs per round = 10 800 ebbs.

    A single Eternal Flame spell would generate 2 ebbs per round indefinitely.


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    Get a fire elemental, make it sit in a corner (perhaps trap via magic circle)
    An Ice transformer next to it will generate a perpetual flow of ebbs although with a varying output (d6s are kinda wonky). An orichalum capacitor to smooth the flow is required.

    A larger scale (but far more expensive) option without the moral implications would be a permanent wall of fire.


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    Copper Output wired to some source of energy. Probably transmission based, so the source would be a Wood Input. The Input is fed ebbs from any particular generator or even just an orichalum battery.
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    Copper Output wired to some source of energy. Probably transmission based, so the source would be a Wood Input. The Input is fed ebbs from any particular generator or even just an orichalum battery.
    your thinking to small... wire a silver block as the out put, that a friendly wizard has added disintegrate to(or from your factory for disintigration canons with a silver block taking the place of the wizard), then just set it up to dump 6 points of energy from a battery or your generator. you now have a really nasty spell on a stick, activatable with little effort.
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    ^I was at work then and didn't want to try accessing d20srd.org. XD

    But yes, it is conceivably possible that... hmm...

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    A Gold Transformer to Silver Output could simply chuck Light cantrips to generate net energy. 1 ebb per Light spell, generates 2 ebbs per round for 100 rounds. >.>

    Given a field of base metals (a ton of copper), it could slowly transmute the copper into more Gold and Silver and then set up a copy of itself.
    Replication time: A couple of hours.

    Practical application is left as an exercise to the user.

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    Can that be chained for more net energy output in one machine? Then you could spend half hte energy on reproduction, and the rest on some useful task. Or build some kind of switch, that switches them over once you have enough.

    Edit: I need to calculate how much energy is needed to make metal lighter than air...
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    You could make a magic cannon with this.

    Silver Outputs.

    With a block of orichalcum. Make some sort of circuit that would cause the orichalcum to touch the Silver Output when you needed..

    One cubic foot would mean 100d6 points of damage.

    Now, if you automated that with an Intelligence..

    Sentry Cannons. Hehehe..

    I want to make a ship with this. A huge flying ship with cannon and gods only know what else.

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    First system
    Alch 325 used to lighten systems, assuming factor of 4 results in 1/4 the bulk.
    Needs a Demi-plane with a large battery in the center. This bot slowly expands the demi-plane while also creating sub-spaces on the demi-plane with a light source and a gold in, which are all linked back to the battery at the center of the demi-plane.
    It needs two specialists to build, but they need only be level 7 in their respective disciplines. If the Yggdratecture specialist is Level 14, you can cut all times in half.

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    Silver Out (True Creation) Bulk 2, 8 ebb in, 3000 xp, 1 cu. ft. block of copper out
    Silver out (Continual Flame) Bulk2, 2 ebb in, 2500 gp, light source out.
    Heuristical Circuit
    Abnormal Behavior (YGGD 241, YGGD 353) semi-space with link to demiplane, 2 hour, 1 ebb in
    Abnormal Behavior (HEUR 101) Builds circuit, 1 hour, 1 ebb in
    Abnormal Behavior (ALCH 286) Transforms Copper to Gold, 2 hours, 1 ebb in
    Abnormal Behavior (ACRD 204) Truns gold into gold input, 1 hour, 1 ebb in
    Uncanny Cosmology semi-space linking bot to battery

    2 hour run time via concurrency, 2 ebb/s^2 production, 19616 ebb per cycle, 38000 start up ebb needed for full efficency
    Breaks even after 14 hours of runtime, million ebb surplus after 42 hours)
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    So, how do I have to kill/pay/sleep with/homebrew for/serenade to get someone to run an all Magitek campaign?

    Edit: and the SI unit of Magical Energy should totally be the Thaum, btw. Gigaebb doesn't have the same flow as Gigathaum.
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    I'm almost disapointed that basically all of you went straight to martial uses. I'll start with something less inherently murderous: a train.

    The train runs on silver rails which are constantly charged with high voltage currents by various stations on the line. Copper inputs are positioned such that they are just in range of the rails, removing any need to have fuel on hand.


    Now, I figure that 30 mph is a decent speed to shoot for. Playing with the calculator tells us that 1 mph is roughly equal to a speed of 10 feet per round*, so we are shooting for a speed of 300. Lets say a freight train has a bulk of 2000**, order to reach the target speed we'd need a total push of 20 thousand. So, 200 engines are needed, and they require a total of 1200 puissance per round. Since I'm assuming a magisterial principal, lets assume level 9 is the highest level involved. At that level it is easy enough to make UMD checks in the thirties, so I'll assume that each transformer can handle 35 ebbs/round. This means that 32 copper/wood transformer pairs will be needed to supply power to the engines.

    So, in total, a size enormous electricity powered freight train will require:
    32 Copper Inputs
    32 Wood Outputs
    200 Orthogonal engines
    Lots of rails with as low an electrical resistance as possible
    Stations across the line which can provide the needed charge.



    *Actually its closer to 9.6, but we are rounding already, so eh.
    **I ran these numbers assuming a heavy Enormous train, but really I should have used a smaller size category.

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    Hey, attempting to make the internet doesn't have a direct martial use! Cut me some slack here.

    Though I did have an awesome idea for a villainous plan:

    The End of Caster Supremacy. Forever.

    It will take forever (or a lot of workers, that is), but...

    Silver Input Transformer. The Bubble needs to transcribe the Plane that you are on. My calculations (which I'll post when I get home) assume a planet the size of Earth, and a nice little drill to get there.

    Switch it on, connect it to a circuit that stores all the energy.

    With all the Aid Anothers you'll be getting, the SR to cast a spell will be crushing; all but a few spells will be effectively removed from that plane forever.

    Alternatively, just drop a Submerging Badgerdrawn Stoneswimming vehicle powered by an Ice Transformer and some stored Ebbs.

    The result? A machine that will deposit itself in the center of a planetary mass. And which would effectively be immune to the heat, due to the transformer drawing it all in.

    Now, my friends, I would like you to look up "the Neutronium Alchemist". That would be this principle applied to the Sun.

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    Interesting. And makes a good villain for a caster campaign.

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    another great villan plan... DISINTEGRATE THE WORLD

    build a massive disintegration beam array, and pour in the ebbs. assuming caster level 11 for min caster level, and 6 ebbs a pop to power the beams, each 6 ebbs=110ft^3 of removed matter. assuming 100 beam transformers, thats 11,000ft^3 of mater every 6 seconds, or 110,000ft^3 every minute. the earth's volume is about 1,083,210,000,000... so 9,847,364 minutes, or 164,123 hours, or 6,838 days, or about 18 years...
    in eighteen years THE WORLD WILL BE GONE. just costs 600 ebbs a round, easily made with any of a number of setups, like the infinite light generator. heck, if you could make more then 100 transformers you could cut down the time by a lot.
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    I found the ultimate Earth defensive net!

    It only takes 40480 years to build it! If you are using Erratic Time Factories! Divided by the number of Factories in use!

    It requires roughly 3,073,949,180,215 TONS of Sunmetal.

    But yes, upon hitting the big red button, we can plane-shift the planet.

    (The earth is pretty much 152,424,712,660 Vast portions. Yes, it is BIG.)

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    Question: as a vampire skilled in magitechnical skills, what would it take to disintegrate the sun? Including getting the apparatus there. I'm thinking a sufficient amount of push could work, or a space elevator.

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    Give me a bit, but I think I can crunch out a Gold/Mercury generator that turns light into cold that will be large enough to snuff out the sun.

    EDIT: Get to generating Simulacra, bub; you'll need 95,046,582,003,269,947,090,587,000
    Preparations to make a generator that will put out the sun.

    Of course, that is assuming that you need to off it in one go...

    Or we could just make a large enough Black Kaleidomantic barrier; light is information, and thus would be blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Question: as a vampire skilled in magitechnical skills, what would it take to disintegrate the sun? Including getting the apparatus there. I'm thinking a sufficient amount of push could work, or a space elevator.
    You just drop the heat inputs into the sun via projectile engines. You can have them bleed the ebb off into nothing without problem, and each will drain skill check ebb worth of heat from the sun every second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Question: as a vampire skilled in magitechnical skills, what would it take to disintegrate the sun? Including getting the apparatus there. I'm thinking a sufficient amount of push could work, or a space elevator.
    just dump exotic particals into it, make it go nova(surounded by a vast net of ice transformers or some such...

    the other option would be to eat it with lead and ice transformers... just straight up eat the sun for energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vauron View Post
    Now, I figure that 30 mph is a decent speed to shoot for. Playing with the calculator tells us that 1 mph is roughly equal to a speed of 10 feet per round*, so we are shooting for a speed of 300. Lets say a freight train has a bulk of 2000**, order to reach the target speed we'd need a total push of 20 thousand. So, 200 engines are needed, and they require a total of 1200 puissance per round. Since I'm assuming a magisterial principal, lets assume level 9 is the highest level involved. At that level it is easy enough to make UMD checks in the thirties, so I'll assume that each transformer can handle 35 ebbs/round. This means that 32 copper/wood transformer pairs will be needed to supply power to the engines.
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but your train is impossible.

    An Orthogonal Engine generates 100 push for 54 bulk. This gives a naked engine a velocity of a little over 55 ft per round (~6.25 mph).

    Additional push requires a bigger engine and this scales linearly, so there is no way to break the 6.25 mph limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jseah View Post
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but your train is impossible.

    An Orthogonal Engine generates 100 push for 54 bulk. This gives a naked engine a velocity of a little over 55 ft per round (~6.25 mph).

    Additional push requires a bigger engine and this scales linearly, so there is no way to break the 6.25 mph limit.
    Silly jseah. Your words are directly contradicted by both the text and the table. First, look at the table. I'll wait. Have you looked at it yet? If you have, you will clearly see that speeds in excess of 6.25 mph are entirely possible. Or do you seriously believe that mach 3 is slower than 6.25 mph?

    Second, look again at the bulk ratings compared to the space they take up. A size tiny engine is a cube with a length of 2 feet, and as the default it is capable of producing 100 units of Push. Now, a size large engine is a cube with a length of 10 feet, and for the purpose of Push generated it is considered to be 125* of the tiny engines. Now, lets look at the Bulk Rating of a Large engine. We see it is 532. Math time: does 532/54= 125? Of course not. The bulk rating does not scale linearly, while Push score does.

    If we look at the number of stuff I specified, all the engines together would not fill a Huge space. Even adding the transformers, cabins, and structural bits, I could fit things into a Gargantuan engine easily without reducing engines or transformers. Although, as a freight train, lots of extra horsepower could be useful.

    The math to determine speed is simple enough. The only real messy bit is my insistence in working with mph.
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    1. Divide the Push generated by the Bulk rating
    2. Round down
    3. Multiply by 30
    Each orthogonal engine supplies 100 push**, so the maximum Push rating will always be the number of engines working in concert, times 100.



    *2 feet^3= 8 cubic feet.... 10 feet^3=1000 cubic feet.... 1000 cubic feet/8 cubic feet= 125 units

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    So, for example, if you spend three hours preparing an engine which is three times as large as normal and feed it three times the normal fuel required, it generates three times the normal Push.

    Simple Orthogonal: ... it generates 100 points of Push per round. ...

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