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2012-08-22, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I feel the need to point out that I'm feeling a lot less Tyranid in this than the thread title implies.
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2012-08-22, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
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2012-08-22, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I love the look of this class. But, there's something missing...
Originally Posted by Pathfinder SRD - Ratfolk
A Swarmlord has two natural attacks. These can be claws, stings, slams, tentacles, or any form of natural attack.Attacks: The Infested has two natural attacks, generally of the same kind as the Swarmlord that created them.Last edited by Hellfire014; 2012-08-22 at 05:00 PM.
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2012-08-22, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
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2012-08-22, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-22, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Last edited by Lix Lorn; 2012-08-22 at 08:08 PM.
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2012-08-22, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Unless one chooses to be subject to it, that is.
So, you become a Swarmlord, and, as you mentioned earlier, everything starts to go pear-shaped, so you Embrace your close friend/lover/family member.
Since they're still themselves, you still trust them, and allow them (once they're high enough level to have the ability) to Assimilate you, during which they automatically grant the will save (at least, I seem to remember that being possible).
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2012-08-22, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Huh. Well.
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2012-08-22, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-22, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-22, 10:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-22, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Ehe. Well, It'd depend on the context.
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2012-08-22, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-22, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Both. xD
If a Swarmlord Assimilates a defeated rival who bought her into the world, she would become victorious.
If a Swarmlord Assimilates her progenitor because the con bonus would stop her from dying... well.Recent Homebrew: The Socialite | The Crystalline: Memory Altering Construct Race | Sanguine Hand, a ToB Discipline of blood and cruelty
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2012-08-22, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Makes sense.
Presumably one could also end up with the two having equal control of the Swarm, should they have a sufficiently awesome plan?
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2012-08-22, 10:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Indeed, but if they had an argument it'd snap one way or the other.
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2012-08-22, 11:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
:evilgrin:
It sounds like it should work, then. Thanks for the clarification!
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2012-08-22, 11:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Didn't a certain Atticus Carpenter took control of the cerebrate that infested him?
Taking control of the master swarm would be cool, at least.
''No, I didn't intend to control your swarm. Sorry, it is mine now.''
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2012-08-22, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
The discussion appears to be taking a direction I'm uncomfortable with, so I'm out. See you around, Lix.
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2012-08-23, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-23, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I wouldn't know, I was very young when I played the original game, and I really sucked at it.
I considered including ways to wrest control from other swarms, but... it seemed a rather vicious potential nerf.
No probs. Thanks for hanging out so long.
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2012-08-23, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I wouldn't know, I was very young when I played the original game, and I really sucked at it.
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2012-08-23, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I'm not sure if there's already something in there about this (it's a rather large class with all of the evolutions, and I may have missed something), or if there would be reasons it would never come up (such as the Swarm dying on the Swarmlord's death) but a way to take control of a Swarm where the Swarmlord is dead or otherwise unable to control it might be a good compromise.
Perhaps something like this:
SpoilerRite of Succession
Prerequisites: At least four levels in Swarmlord, Distant Manifestation evolution.
Benefit: When within Hive Mind range of members of a Swarm whose Swarmlord is dead or otherwise unable to control their Swarm, the Swarmlord may cause them to make a will save, with the DC based on her Charisma. Infested make this save with no bonuses, while Assimilated and Embraced may apply modifiers as normal. Failure causes them to join her Swarm, while success means that they are unaffected.
Any Infected or Assimilated brought into the Swarm in this manner who have retained their free will must make a save as though they were being Infected or Assimilated again, with the same effects. The Swarmlord may act as though she has the Gentle Queen feat in such cases, irregardless of her actual possession of it. However, she cannot apply it retroactively, whether or not she has it; if they failed the save originally, or were unable to make it, they remain as they are.
She may also choose to turn over control of them to one of her Embraced, so long as they have at least one level of Swarmlord, in which case they will be added to or become the Embraced's Swarm, with effects as above.
Finally, she may choose one of her Embraced who began as or have chosen to become Swarmlords in their own right as a successor, in which case they will automatically assume control of her Swarm on her death or incapacitation.
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Ah, okay. Good to know it wasn't entirely me.
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2012-08-23, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-23, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Thanks! And an evolution might be more thematically appropriate, but it prevents one from taking it quite as early (the soonest would be level six, instead of being able to take it at level four if you choose Distant Manifestation as your first Evolution (assuming the feats work for that, which I don't have time to check now), so I'm not sure, nor do I really have time to think more about it at the moment, since I have to run now.
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2012-08-23, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Well, you don't actually get a feat between level 4 and 6, so you'd have to take it at 6 anyway xD
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2012-08-23, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
I return with more comments. After reading the abilities, I found a couple of weird mechanics and game-breaking abilities. Here are a compilation of those I found :
Infested Template
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Int 2, Wis 8, Cha 10. These mental ability scores are fixed mental traits, and are not gained by Infested that pass their will save on creation. As clarification, these new ability scores represent the fact that the original self is effectively dead. Resurrection magic treats it as if their body was completely destroyed. (if the Infested body is slain, it can be used for resurrection again.)
Evolutions-specific comments :SpoilerInfestation Queen
Taking this ability enhances the numberless minions of the swarm. All Infested creatures possessed by her swarm at the time she takes this ability gain an additional HD. This ability may be taken more than once.
Lord Above
This ability greatly increases the size of the Swarmlord. She increases by one size category, [...].
Taking this ability gives each Swarmling she possesses up to two free points in the Size Increase evolution, which don’t count towards their cap.
Ironscales
She gains [...] Resist equal to half [her Con. modifier].
Resist functions as a combination of Damage Resistance and Energy Resistance. [...]
Sky Swarm
This ability grants a Swarmlord great wings, or some other means of aerial propulsion. She gains a flight speed of 30ft (Average), +10ft for each five levels she possesses, and increasing in manoeuvrability by one stage for each ten levels she possesses. [...]
Weapons of the Queen
This ability grants vastly improved weapons to the Queen. She may gain an additional natural weapon for each five levels she possesses, and she may grant an enhancement bonus to each of her weapons equal to a third of her class level. Points of enhancement bonus may be traded for special abilities, and the enhancement bonus may not surpass 5.
Taking this ability gives each Swarmling she possesses up to two free points in the Additional/Enhanced Natural Weapon evolution, which don’t count towards their cap.
About the swarmling : what is the formula for evolution points? At some levels, the swarmling gains 3, at others it gains 13, with apparently no real formula.
Mind Over Matter
For five points, the Swarmling suffers -2 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Con, but gains +7 Int, +2 Wis.
This will be my last comment for today ; I'm going to read the enhancements. May I suggest one that grant a permanent Detect Psionics effect?
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2012-08-23, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Swarm Arrives [3.5 Base Class-Zerg, Tyranids]
Maths Correction: There is an iterative formula to determine the number of EP a Swarmling gets at a certain level. Someone better at maths and/or not sleepy could probably simplify it.
SpoilerF(N) = F(N-1) + 2(Ceiling{[N-2]/2}) + 1
F(0) = 5
Where Ceiling(X) means "Round X in the positive direction" and the fancy brackets are to make reading easier.
Or, in English, at hypothetical level 0 (Iterative formulas always start at 0. If you want, imagine F(1) = 6 instead), you have 5 EP. At each odd level, gain that level in EP. At each even level, gain that number of EP - 1.
Oh, and incidentally, Lix, the unholy 3.5m psychic snake thing that is the Zoanthrope is not what I would describe as "Small".
And now I have in my head a theoretical "Norm Queen" Epic Prestige class that controls massive organisms and massive swarms at the expense of personal combat/psychic might and oh gods I'm thinking this in depth about homebrew for a game I don't even play and an army I don't play either.Last edited by The_Final_Stand; 2012-08-23 at 04:22 PM.
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2012-08-23, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-23, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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