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    Question OK so now is there a race with +2 int and is small size?

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    Ok now i need a Small creature with a +2 int and no la.

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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Pathfinder has the Young template that could be applied to humanoid species.
    3.5 had a template that reduced size. I can't remember what it was called unfortunately, but the fluff was these creatures were born and raised in caves and other tight spaces.
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Young might work but if i could know any others that would be helpful.

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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    There's Dungeonbred, from Dungeonscape, although I don't remember if it had any limits on the types of creatures you could apply it to.
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Dungeonbred only applies to "any corporeal aberration, animal, magical beast or vermin that is Large or bigger".
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Dungeonbred is the template in question and it's from dungeonscape. It reduces the creatures size and effectively haves the normal strength penalty for this change while giving some other bonuses that fit a theme of being a lean mean fighting machine. Won't work for the OP though the base creature must be large or larger and must be an aberration, animal, magical beast or vermin.

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    Well then i need a LA 1 template that makes me a aberation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metabolicjosh View Post
    Well then i need a LA 1 template that makes me a aberation.
    The only one I can think of is the Symbiotic Creature template, from Savage Species. It can get pretty overpowered, though.
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    Well then i need a LA 1 template that makes me a aberation.
    There are plenty of LA 0 Aberration races. What race are you starting with?
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Goliath
    Im trying to side step the usual 6 level lead up to "Hulk Out"
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    Quote Originally Posted by metabolicjosh View Post
    Well then i need a LA 1 template that makes me a aberation.
    What if you begin as a Half-Minotaur Elan?

    OTOH, Dungeonbred doesn't have a listed LA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metabolicjosh View Post
    Goliath
    Im trying to side step the usual 6 level lead up to "Hulk Out"
    Ah. Hmm...

    Actually, why do you need to be small? Already just as a Goliath Barbarian 5 you are Medium except when you rage, so a Goliath Barbarian 5/War Hulk 1 would only gain the benefits of War Hulk while in a rage. The whole point of small in most Hulk builds is the comedy value of being a kobold or a halfling or the like and doing this, but you'd be a goliath, even if a small one, so you wouldn't get that.

    That said, if you still want to be small, the following applies:

    So you don't need any Goliath except for qualification for the sub-level, right?

    How about: you start out as a Half-Minotaur Goliath. Yes this means you're Large, seems like a step backwards. You then become a Dustform Creature, followed by Incarnate Construct. You are now a Large Giant, but also a Goliath. Then have someone cast Return to Nature on you (it's E6, so you'll need to find a Dragon or similar) twice. You will shrink to small.
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    Thats a intriguing idea
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    Default Re: Is there a template that makes you small?

    The other reason to be small in the Hulk build (non-kobold small that is), is that you will get the benefit of two size increases when you use Mountain Rage. That is an extra +4 Str, +2 Con, IIRC. Of course you are usually paying for it with a Racial -2 Str, so it is only marginally useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dextercorvia View Post
    The other reason to be small in the Hulk build (non-kobold small that is), is that you will get the benefit of two size increases when you use Mountain Rage. That is an extra +4 Str, +2 Con, IIRC. Of course you are usually paying for it with a Racial -2 Str, so it is only marginally useful.
    The only time size increases increase stats beyond what the particular size increase says is monster advancement. Starting small doesn't get you any extra Str.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urpriest View Post
    The only time size increases increase stats beyond what the particular size increase says is monster advancement. Starting small doesn't get you any extra Str.
    I thought I remembered Mountain Rage saying something about gaining those stat adjustments, but on a double check, I was wrong. Then, I guess you are right and it is just for the lulz.
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    Ok now i need a Small creature with a +2 int and no la.

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    Default Re: OK so now is there a race with +2 int and is small size?

    If you really don't care about the fluff, there's the beguiler, a magical beast from around page 11 of Shining South that has +6 dex, +2 int, -2 str, and is small. It also has constant true seeing and is a cohort however.
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    Default Re: OK so now is there a race with +2 int and is small size?

    Dragonlance Gnomes: +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Str, -2 Wis. Small size. Dragonlance Campaign Setting p. 27.

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    Dragonlance Gnomes: +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Str, -2 Wis. Small size. Dragonlance Campaign Setting p. 27.
    Dragon Magazine also had the Arcane Gnome with similar stats (Con instead of Dex I think).

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    If you really don't care about the want really really awesome fluff, there's the beguiler, a magical beast from around page 11 of Shining South that has +6 dex, +2 int, -2 str, and is small. It also has constant true seeing and is a cohort however.
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    Dragon Magazine also had the Arcane Gnome with similar stats (Con instead of Dex I think).



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    If you go with the Blue from Expanded Psionics Handbook (and ignore the errata and get GM permission), they're no LA, but are Small and have +2 INT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endarire View Post
    If you go with the Blue from Expanded Psionics Handbook (and ignore the errata and get GM permission), they're no LA, but are Small and have +2 INT.
    They REALLY should be +0 LA creatures. They're worse than both regular goblins and gray elves stat-wise, and both of those are 0 LA.
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