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    Theoretically, keys exist to open crates, so eventually, keys purchased should be fitted into a crate.

    However, they've been co-opted as a ridiculously strong currency compared to its "real" value: a key is worth perhaps three times the expected value of a crate's contents, when comparing values in terms of metal.
    Depends on the crate you're opening.

    You open a crate #40, or #30. You're getting from 5-25 times the value of the keys worth.
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    Depends on the crate you're opening.

    You open a crate #40, or #30. You're getting from 5-25 times the value of the keys worth.
    Yes, but those are definitely the exception to the rule. If you get a key, with the possible exception of #30s or #40s, you'll almost assuredly be better off trading a key for the item you want rather than taking the gamble on the crate. The odds for opening crates are ridiculously low.
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    Yeah no if you have an item that nobody else does, people will WANT that.

    I bet it becomes worth a hundred dollars. At least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaelbert View Post
    Yes, but those are definitely the exception to the rule. If you get a key, with the possible exception of #30s or #40s, you'll almost assuredly be better off trading a key for the item you want rather than taking the gamble on the crate. The odds for opening crates are ridiculously low.
    Statistically, you're best off opening batches of 30 crates at a time.

    That's when the unusual drop rate to cost ratio is at it's best for the better crates.
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    Those crates themselves have market value as well, though, and drop very rarely. A #40 crate is currently evaluated at 10 keys, and #30s at almost double that. The Strange items inside? Less so. Huntsman and Sapper are the only prizes from #40s that can be expected to break even, and the Gunslinger and Machina are more-or-less the same way for #30s.
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    Um, you missed the best item of all, Strange Kritzkrieg.

    Though, yes, in terms of worth, [Salvaged + Key] is usually far better bet than [any item that can be obtained from it save for Kritz].
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    Tribes Ascend is a fun game. Fun, but difficult. But fun. But difficult.

    I like the Heavy class, whatever it's called. Seems only slightly slower/heavier than the soldier, but has way more health. And it has two high-damage, long range weapons.

    Have only been playing TDM. Any advice for CTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie View Post
    Um, you missed the best item of all, Strange Kritzkrieg.
    So I did. Must've skipped it because I didn't notice its price was listed in earbuds rather than keys.
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    There is demand just because you can't get it. Sure you can't "show off" but you can't show off normal keys either. Ultimately I do believe that if it doesn't revert to a normal key, that there will be demand for it. Yes you might have to look for a bit, and no one here will be interested in it. But someone will. They will view it either as a really cool item, becuase for the sole reason you can't get it again, or they will see it as an investment because there will be someone else who is a collector that will want it for the sole reason of a more complete collection.

    You can show off every hat and every vintage/strange weapon you get, but do you?

    I have a Direct hit strange, that I have put maby 100 kills on that sits in my inventory, do I use it to "show off" nope I don't. It still has value though, I won't be selling it for a random weapon even though I won't use it any more.
    maybe it's my thinking that's broken then. when i first re-joined TF2 i opened a crate and got a purple effect scout hat. to me it was useless. the 8 strange weapons I was offered for it though had use so I did the trade. it was probably a "bad trade" in relation to what it was "worth" but I got what i wanted for it.

    I don't use my strange weapons to show off... I use them to count kills. my strange Brass beast has a few kills under it's belt... my only problem it it doesn't count robot deaths in MvM... there needs to be a strange part for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    Those crates themselves have market value as well, though, and drop very rarely. A #40 crate is currently evaluated at 10 keys, and #30s at almost double that. The Strange items inside? Less so. Huntsman and Sapper are the only prizes from #40s that can be expected to break even, and the Gunslinger and Machina are more-or-less the same way for #30s.
    You can get #40's on Outpost for 8 keys all day long.

    Though, good luck getting a Crate #30 for 20 keys anymore, I see most asking buds which is frankly silly for a crate with no contents equating to that value.

    #30 had a MUCH better line up for what you could get out of it though, so I KIND of understand.
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    You can get #40's on Outpost for 8 keys all day long.
    1.) I was using the spreadsheet. Don't have the time to analyze the Outpost myself.

    2.) At 8 keys for the crate and the spreadsheet prices otherwise, the Huntsman and Sapper are still the only prizes that you can expect to make back your investment in keys for the #40 crate. The next highest is the ~4 key Widowmaker, with the Mantreads and Holiday Punch ranking at about 2 keys each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    1.) I was using the spreadsheet. Don't have the time to analyze the Outpost myself.

    2.) At 8 keys for the crate and the spreadsheet prices otherwise, the Huntsman and Sapper are still the only prizes that you can expect to make back your investment in keys for the #40 crate. The next highest is the ~4 key Widowmaker, with the Mantreads and Holiday Punch ranking at about 2 keys each.
    The spreadsheet is an awful priceguide.

    I'm an admin on a fairly large trading server, and have a respectable amount of wealth, myself and I didn't get it by following spreadsheet.

    The spreadsheet is like observing the DOW and using it to price every other existing stock on the market.

    Real prices come from observing the current market state, knowing past trends when events have happened or were about to happen, and extrapolating it from current sales rather than listed price.

    This is a barter economy.

    The value of crate #40's is also slated to go up the MOMENT crate #50 happens with the past trends in #30 being observed and recognized by the majority of the community.

    Though, if I were to make a suggestion, invest in the holiday promos now before they go up. BMOC's are a solid earbud + right now, Holiday Headcases are only going to sky rocket, and Ebeneezers are your cheapest access to profit increase at the higher market accessability point allowing more of the product to be moved in a more resonable amount of time.
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    Tribes Ascend is a fun game. Fun, but difficult. But fun. But difficult.

    I like the Heavy class, whatever it's called. Seems only slightly slower/heavier than the soldier, but has way more health. And it has two high-damage, long range weapons.

    Have only been playing TDM. Any advice for CTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan View Post
    The spreadsheet is like observing the DOW and using it to price every other existing stock on the market.

    Real prices come from observing the current market state, knowing past trends when events have happened or were about to happen, and extrapolating it from current sales rather than listed price.
    I know that, but like I said, I don't have the time to analyze the trends. The spreadsheet, flawed though it might be, at least offers a snapshot of a relatively recent average of traded prices.

    Also, the analogy is flawed... it's more like looking at last week's averages for trades in the NYSE: the data are outdated, but more easily compiled and analyzed than asking what everyone is selling X stock today. Someone's already gathered and sifted through the data, so assuming the data gathered were accurate at the time of posting, they should be useful as initial conditions and value estimations. The DJIA only uses 30 companies, the spreadsheet has almost seven hundred discrete item entries, not including item variants.
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    Your statement would be true, if Mr.Rager (The guy who owns spreadsheet), wasn't a marked scammer who has huge piles of evidence of him knowingly altering prices for him to make profit off of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan View Post
    Your statement would be true, if Mr.Rager (The guy who owns spreadsheet), wasn't a marked scammer who has huge piles of evidence of him knowingly altering prices for him to make profit off of it.
    I did not know that. Do you have a recommendation for a different price guide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    I did not know that. Do you have a recommendation for a different price guide?
    Backpack.tf is the only neutral "As is" price guide I know of, but it's pretty balls off on unusuals.

    It's fine though for normal trading.
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    but it's pretty balls off on unusuals.
    I'd expect so, given how rare unusuals (outside some of the Halloween ones) are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    I'd expect so, given how rare unusuals (outside some of the Halloween ones) are...
    Actually, the rarest unusuals are Halloween.

    Like for instance, a Cloudy Moon Napper's Respite doesn't even exist.

    And there's only 1 moon modest that recently resold for 5.7 grand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan View Post
    Actually, the rarest unusuals are Halloween.

    Like for instance, a Cloudy Moon Napper's Respite doesn't even exist.

    And there's only 1 moon modest that recently resold for 5.7 grand.
    I think what Mando was referring to are the "Haunted" Costume Items from last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno9999 View Post
    I think what Mando was referring to are the "Haunted" Costume Items from last year.
    Yeah... that and the Headtaker are what I was thinking of. Headtaker's marked as Unusual, and Haunted uses just about the same text color as Unusual...
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    I thought I'd join in the TF2 Trading fun for now.

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    I'd like to ask for some stuff... if that's completely alright.
    -Persian Persuader
    -Tomislav
    -Brass Beast
    -Cow Mangler.

    Any of those (meaning only one. If those are for free, I wouldn't want to take more)

    Also, I still don't have much, but I am willing to enter this TF2 Trade. For now, I need to sort my backpack for you guys to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimmy View Post
    I'd like to ask for some stuff... if that's completely alright.
    -Persian Persuader
    -Tomislav
    -Brass Beast
    -Cow Mangler.

    Any of those (meaning only one. If those are for free, I wouldn't want to take more)

    Also, I still don't have much, but I am willing to enter this TF2 Trade. For now, I need to sort my backpack for you guys to see.
    Your modesty is appreciated, but if you want them and can use them, feel free to take advantage. I just don't want people taking them and scrapping them to go turn a profit or anything.

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    Oh don't worry. I still don't know how to scrap. Even if I did, I don't have those, so I wouldn't scrap them.

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    Oh don't worry. I still don't know how to scrap. Even if I did, I don't have those, so I wouldn't scrap them.

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