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    What is this myth of cooperating teams?
    2 hours of quiting and joining servers and nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thufir View Post
    Lulwut.
    He's vulnerable every time he flies up into the air to drop bombs everywhere, and every time someone gets given a bomb head and runs into him. If that's only 2 times, you're doing something wrong.
    2 guys turned into bombs. 1 time flew up before Snipers kill him. 3 times. Yeah, I guess if your team is bad, you get more opportunities, but Sniper team doesn't need them.

    What do spells have to do with killing Merasmus?
    Stay time on server, for one, plus I usually seemed to get 'gift' message minute after killing him.

    Although I'm now wondering, what about Ambassador headshots?
    I don't know, I didn't tested it. But, seeing Ambassador deals 108 damage to 450 SR base, damage would be 324 compared to Machina's 1550 if he has Sniper's triple damage. Still inefficient.

    Well, might be doable, but I find headshotting anyone with it at long range to be hard, especially repeatedly, plus hitbox clipping issue I mentioned, which might make it very hard to hit his head box.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fax Celestis View Post
    No way. He's vulnerable every time someone bombs him as well as whenever he's throwing bombs around.
    See above.

    You don't seem to understand what DPS means.
    Nope. I just apply DPS to realistic situation, not shooting perfectly spherical, unmoving Merasmus with aimbot.

    The fact is, Spy's revolver has 1.2 second cooldown between each shot - you can fire every 0.6 seconds, but that means shots are wildly inaccurate. This alone renders pure DPS approach invalid.

    Nope! Crits ignore falloff, and vulnerability makes crits.
    So, Medic only fires when Merasmus is vulnerable?

    150 bullets, 10 per second, 15 seconds to spend the clip. Longer than the amount he stays vulnerable. Also, syringes disperse at mid-long range. Another case of pure DPS failing to provide realistic figure.

    Did you look at my math?
    Yes. You know how it looks in real game? You postulate Sniper/Medic fire with perfect, unerring accuracy with non-accurate guns (one of which is arc projectile, to boot). They still fail to do as much damage as Sniper does with one shot in 5-6 seconds of shooting, and can only shoot in brief windows of opportunity. Other than that, they're very bad (60 DPS non-crit on Spy means you need "just" 84 shots to whittle 5000 bonus HP, never mind his core one).

    Sniper? I move into position, one second before I judge I'll shoot I press mouse button, aim, release, change position. Often I heard damage "ping" 3-4 seconds later, when I was halfway to medpack or ammo box, or camping usual prop positions because I knew my shoot sent him past 50%. I can corner dodge, keeping me alive. Compared to above, you need no windows of opportunity, tiny amount of effort, you're mobile at all times and hitting at long range. 2 second reloading time on Huntsman is little issue, as half/third of these will happen when Merasmus teleports anyway.

    GFY. I've killed him eight times, and we only had two snipers.
    Can I ask team composition? Also, let me guess, if I saw that yesterday, it was on server with PvP turned off and no idlers?

    Snipers can carry a few idlers and bad players on pubs without handpicked teams, if you grab a few UGC players it might be doable even with Demoknights or bat Scouts, I guess, but I haven't had that luxury. I am saying what can, and will happen on pub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie View Post
    Nope. I just apply DPS to realistic situation, not shooting perfectly spherical, unmoving Merasmus with aimbot.

    Yes. You know how it looks in real game? You postulate Sniper/Medic fire with perfect, unerring accuracy with non-accurate guns (one of which is arc projectile, to boot). They still fail to do as much damage as Sniper does with one shot in 5-6 seconds of shooting, and can only shoot in brief windows of opportunity. Other than that, they're very bad (60 DPS non-crit on Spy means you need "just" 84 shots to whittle 5000 bonus HP, never mind his core one).
    I don't postulate anything, I did it.

    Can I ask team composition? Also, let me guess, if I saw that yesterday, it was on server with PvP turned off and no idlers?
    Private server, ten people. Two heavies, two snipers, one medic, one engineer, two scouts, one soldier, one spy.

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    Aaaand now that I just signed up for the Beta for the Linux version of Steam, I now have a reason to participate in this thread!

    I've been running it through WINE, but it has been... ummm... a trial. I got Terraria to run, but that was only with several hours of convincing it to work, and even then, multiplayer didn't work. I got Portal to work, usually.

    I have PvZ from PopCap itself, rather than through Steam. Is there any multiplayer things for PvZ that would make the Steam version worth getting?

    When Sanctum went with a free trial over a weekend, I got it to work, but the game was so convoluted that I'm not going to pay money for it.

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    I happened across a public all-BLU team, that some how froze the middle point. They could kill Merasmus pretty easily all day long.

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    Halloween Sale. meh.
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    ...Apparently, the Caliginous Caper (Wave More Than Eight Hundred) tanks are the strongest tanks known to the wiki.
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    There's... A wave past 666?
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    Does anybody else hate it when you're trying to kill a Halloween boss, but one idiot on the server has to go around backstabbing/sniping everybody on the other team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teln View Post
    Does anybody else hate it when you're trying to kill a Halloween boss, but one idiot on the server has to go around backstabbing/sniping everybody on the other team?
    Considering I don't play on servers where PvP is a thing? Nope.
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    Considering I don't play on servers where PvP is a thing? Nope.
    You don't do PvP in TF2? So.. you only do MvM?

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    There's... A wave past 666?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    ...Apparently, the Caliginous Caper (Wave More Than Eight Hundred) tanks are the strongest tanks known to the wiki.
    Seeing our 3 tries were thwarted by tanks only (we killed all enemies before pretty much effortlessly, having problems only with huge spy wave) that were unable to kill on time despite throwing more than a dozen krit kanteens on Heavies into them... Yeah

    Some more notes on Merasmus after tests:

    Ambassador doesn't get 3x headshot Sniper has - krit damage 218. Also, I tried to time vulnerable periods on Merasmus - you can only put ~4 shots from revolver/scatter into him then. Meaning, 600-800 damage. Compared to Sniper's 2000-3000, well...

    I also tested a range of guns - and on Spy/Scout/Engie/Pyro their melees actually deal more DPS than primaries (and meleeing him is a bad idea - that should say something). Though, still not worthwhile DPS amount. Even with 4 vulnerable periods, you barely took half of his 5000 extra HP - sorry, just bad. Sniper can do his 1080s at will.

    Engie with wrangler, dispenser and teleport deals so-so damage, but at least he nicely contributes rearming allies and cutting killed downtime, something that can't be said about other deadweights. Still, 2 engies max. Any more and it's Sisyphus' time.

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    I know! It's almost like that one time I got a hat for dominating someone!
    But I felt so special getting it......

    Also, since people call Spies useless in Merasmus vs the world mode I just up and decided to go around backstabbing people. It's surprisingly easy to do when the game mode is so chaotic and people are gullible enough to trust the enemy team. Backstab achievement here I come .
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    But I felt so special getting it......

    Also, since people call Spies useless in Merasmus vs the world mode I just up and decided to go around backstabbing people. It's surprisingly easy to do when the game mode is so chaotic and people are gullible enough to trust the enemy team. Backstab achievement here I come .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tychris1 View Post
    But I felt so special getting it......

    Also, since people call Spies useless in Merasmus vs the world mode I just up and decided to go around backstabbing people. It's surprisingly easy to do when the game mode is so chaotic and people are gullible enough to trust the enemy team. Backstab achievement here I come .
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    Eh.... Don't be that guy. It's one thing if a lot of other people are already goofing off, but if there's a coordinated effort to take him down, don't be the one guy who's being a jerk about it.
    Yeah... I'm perfectly happy to help people between attacks, like one Sniper who wanted headshots on his Bazaar Bargain before Merasmus came back, but there's nothing fun about one jerk ruining the game for everyone else. There are servers where people decide not to focus Merasmus. Join those instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceric View Post
    Yeah... I'm perfectly happy to help people between attacks, like one Sniper who wanted headshots on his Bazaar Bargain before Merasmus came back, but there's nothing fun about one jerk ruining the game for everyone else. There are servers where people decide not to focus Merasmus. Join those instead.
    I don't join any servers (Atleast, I don't go to the server tab or anything) I just use the matchmaking system, grab my knife and wrist watch, and let random luck do it's thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tychris1 View Post
    I don't join any servers (Atleast, I don't go to the server tab or anything) I just use the matchmaking system, grab my knife and wrist watch, and let random luck do it's thing.
    Wait... There's something other than the matchmaking system?
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    Wait... There's something other than the matchmaking system?
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    Is it faster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squark View Post
    You can select a specific server. This is good if you're looking for a specific map, or you have a community you belong to (We used to have a server for the GitP crowd up... Is Chocolate Hammer still running?)
    Nope, not any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthias2207 View Post
    Wait... There's something other than the matchmaking system?
    ...Never noticed...
    Is it faster?
    You can go to the normal list of servers and filter by the koth_lakeside_event map. It also works for MVM if you filter by mvm_. I can't answer your second question because I haven't done matchmaker since about the third day of MVM. Then again I've never joined random games, just the servers I have in my favorites list.
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    But I felt so special getting it......

    Also, since people call Spies useless in Merasmus vs the world mode I just up and decided to go around backstabbing people. It's surprisingly easy to do when the game mode is so chaotic and people are gullible enough to trust the enemy team. Backstab achievement here I come .
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