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    Welcome to the latest incarnation of the Class and Level Geekery thread! Here, we are discussing what the possible stats are for each of the six OOTS members. Below is an estimate of the characters' stats; this was first kept by Runolfr, Wrecan, and Chrismith. I will update this post as the discussion continues and as subsequent strips reveal more information about OOTS; RMS Oceanic will update the post with all the other characters.

    Please note that we all know that Rich isn't necessarily being careful about the rules. Funny always trumps rules. Thus, there will always be some dispute as to some of the stats as some jokes are used as evidence as abilities and other strips are used as evidence of funny.

    Please read the thread rules by Mark Hall.


    3E source books used for the comic:
    • Player's Handbook 1 and Dungeon Master's Guide 1
    • Book of Vile Darkness (certain monsters; Boost Spell Resistance feat)
    • Complete Adventurer (ninjas)
    • Complete Arcane (warlocks; Tsukiko's and Zz'dtri's spells)
    • Complete Warrior (hexblade)
    • Dungeonscape (Thog; the acid-breathing shark; note that The Giant co-wrote this book)
    • Expanded Psionics Handbook (blue; mindblade)
    • Fiend Folio (certain monsters)
    • Magic of Incarnum (mentioned by Redcloak's lackey)
    • Monster Manual (mentioned by Celia and Vaarsuvius)
    • Monster Manual 2 (certain monsters)
    • Oriental Adventures (other samurai class, and mentioned by Xykon)
    • Spell Compendium (numerous spells that aren't from the PHB1)
    • uncertain: Epic Level Handbook (a feat and spell from this book are mentioned, but most epic characters or spells in the comic don't follow the rules from this book)


    In which comic do the characters demonstrate having leveled?
    {table]Level||||||
    9|12|12|12|12|12|12
    10|124|125|124|124|124|124
    11|251|???|201|???|???|186
    12|???, 665|249|???|???|477|???
    13|485, 862|???|556|393|511|397
    14| - |???|859|647|???|627
    15| - |860| - | - |615|716[/table]


    Roy Greenhilt
    Lawful Good, Human male Fighter 13+ (based on XP calculations, forum)
    Str 24+ (Unmodified strength 20+) *)
    Int 14-17 (“very good"*, but V's Int is "higher"*)
    Wis 14+ (“very good"*)
    Cha 12+ (“decent*), modifier less than Elan's.
    Age: 29.
    Feats (13): Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Improved Sunder, Weapon Focus (greatsword), Weapon Specialization (greatsword), Endurance (sleeps in armor without getting fatigued).
    Skills (60+): Intimidate, Ride 1,
    Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering) 2+, Knowledge (Geography), Profession (Goatherd), Spellcraft (OOPC), No Bluff or Sense Motive.
    Items: Magical breastplate (only armor that is medium weight and rigid; it has to be medium for Roy to be faster than Durkon),
    +5 Greatsword (with other unspecified bonuses),suit, oil of shillelagh, potion of delay poison, Bag of Tricks, Boots, Bedroll, Partial list of Xykon's spells, feats and magic items, Belt of Giant Strength, Unnamed Book, Sextant

    Belkar Bitterleaf aka Ali S. Fakenamington (KS), aka The Belkster, aka Death's Li'l Helper
    Chaotic Evil, Halfling male Ranger 11+*/Barbarian 1+*, character level 15 (deafened by Holy Word).
    Str 14-18 ("jump... exceeded movement..."*, can't carry Roy, <= 17 in SSDT)
    Wis <=9 ("I have an ... ability score penalty" in Profession skill checks)
    Cha <=10 (V includes him in those w/out any Cha)
    Feats (11): Craft Disturbing Mental Image, Endurance, Great Cleave, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Sunder, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Track, Power Attack, Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Pounce.
    Skills (89): Balance 5+, Climb, Craft: Trapmaking, Handle Animal 0, Hide (“a good Hide skill”) (+4), Intimidate (sufficient to intimidate cowardly eye of fear and flame), Jump, Listen 0 (+2), Move Silently (“High”) (+2), Profession (gourmet chef) 4, Search 0, Sense Motive 0, Speak language (halfling), Spot 0, Survival 0.
    Abilities: +1 saves, +1 thrown weapons, +2 v fear, Animal companion, Evasion, Fast movement, Favored enemy x3, Rage, Small size, Swift tracker, Wild empathy, Woodland stride, Scent.
    Items: Chef's Hat, Cloak, 3 or more small magical daggers, red chalk, Bedroll, Mama Bitterleaf's Secret +2 Circumstance Bonus Ingredient, Ring of Jumpng +20, stilts, Sapphire guard disguise, string, Dune, Bucket and Spade, wand of dispel clothing (SSDT), mimic (SSDT). Either has dex 15 or wears light or no armor, to use two-weapon pounce.

    Mr. Scruffy
    True neutral male Tiny Animal (cat) animal companion
    Str 4+
    Dex 16+
    Con 10
    Int 2
    Wis 12
    Cha 7
    Feats: Stealthy, Weapon Finesse
    Skills (6+): Listen 2, Spot 2...
    Abilities: Animal companion (2+ HD bonus, 2 natural armor bonus, 2+ bonus tricks, link, and evasion, possibly more depending on number of Belkar's levels of ranger), Cat Skills (+4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Balance and Jump checks. Use Dexterity modifier instead of Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8).
    Items: string.
    *

    Durkon Thundershield
    Lawful Evil,Dwarf vampire male non-theistic Cleric 14 (based on spells cast in a day).
    Str 20-26 (can carry Vaarsuvius, can't carry Roy; +6 as vampire).
    Dex <14 (dex penalty, SSDT; +4 as vampire).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~12 (no evidence; +2 as vampire).
    Wis 19-25 (required for 7th-level spells, and to lose his best 7th-level spell to Enervation; +2 as vampire).
    Cha <14 (low modifier; +4 as vampire).
    Age: 55+.
    Feats (5): Extend Spell, Extra Turning; Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, and Lightning Reflexes (all vampire bonus feats).
    Skills (31+): Knowledge: Religion (not maxed), Listen 0 (OOPC), Ride 0, Speak language: dwarf (racial) and giant (SSDT), Spot 0.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, Vampire abilities.
    Items: Candles, bedroll, full plate armor, deck of cards, holy symbol, Amulet of Natural Armor, heirloom shield and warhammer, parcheesi board, spyglass, religious vestments, scroll of Sending, belt pouch,
    Kingdom of Blood papers, flask of liquor, 10,000+ gp of diamond dust, Flying Carpet.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, plus domain spells as listed above, plus Bless Beer (WXP), Call Lightning (DCF), Cat's Grace, Control Winds, Cure Itchy Wounds, Mass Death Ward with backdoor, Mass Resist Energy, and Thor's Lightning. Might of Thor is assumed to be the standard cleric spell Righteous Might.
    Before becoming a vampire, Durkon was Lawful Good, had Con ~12 (racial), the ability Turn Undead, and the Good domain (required to cast Holy Smite).

    Elan
    Chaotic Good, Human male Bard 13 (required to get these spells at level-up) / Dashing Swordsman, total level 15 (same as Nale).
    Str <19 (can't carry Roy, and the same as Nale, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (required for Dodge, and to get a four on Move Silently).
    Int <10 (too low to cast cantrips, but higher than Thog; Belkar says 2 int, NCPB).
    Wis <10 (not even a smidgen).
    Cha 22+ (required for 5th level spells at level 13, +2 from this belt).
    Age: 21+ (WXP).
    Feats (6): Dodge, Mobility (both prerequisite for Spring Attack), Spring Attack, Still Spell.
    Skills (85+): Diplomacy, Hide, Listen (higher than Sir Francois, OOPC), Move Silently <3, Perform: sing 12+ (required for Inspire Greatness), Perform: string instruments 9+ (required for Suggestion), Perform: kazoo, Ride 2+, Spot 0, Tumble.
    Abilities: Bard class abilities, charismatic strike, glass damage immunity.
    Items: Magic rapier, Banjo, Boots of Elvenkind, kazoo, jam, lantern, pingpong bat, roller skate, squirrel, yoyo, dashing outfit, "silver" +3 keen rapier, lute, Belt of Charisma +2, treasure chest, drawing, The Stick the Order was named after, evil sword (SSDT), castanets and sombrero (SSDT), no armor. Elan still has his old equipment (forum).
    Spells: Animate Rope, Disguise Self, Greater Dispel Magic, Lesser Confusion, Major Image, Mass Cure Light Wounds, Mending, Neutralize Poison, Prestidigitation, Silent Image, Summon Plot Exposition, not Cure Critical Wounds, Identify, or Break Enchantment.

    Haley Starshine aka Mistress Nightingale, aka The Red Blur (OOPC), aka Dark Mistress Shadowgale
    Chaotic Good, Human female Rogue 15+ (required for Improved Precise Shot).
    Str 13-19 (high enough to drag the cart, but can't carry Roy).
    Dex 20-21 (modifier of +5, forum).
    Con 9+ (higher than Vaarsuvius).
    Int 12+ (received bonus languages).
    Cha 12-19 (part of all party members with any charisma; and with maxed out Bluff, for Hide to be her best skill, her cha mod has to be less than her dex mod).
    Age: About 25 (forum; was 24 here, and that was over a year ago).
    Feats (9+): Dodge (SSDT), Improved Precise Shot, Manyshot, Martial Weapon Proficiency (longbow), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot (prerequisite for Improved Precise Shot), Ranged Pin, Ranged Sunder, Rapid Shot.
    Skills (180+): Appraise, Bluff 18 (maxed out), Disable Device, Forgery (OOPC), Hide 18 (best skill), Open Lock 15, Ride 0, Search not maxed, Sense Motive 2+, Tumble, Use Magic Device, Use Rope 8, Spellcraft.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities; two special rogue abilities, both spent on a feat.
    Items: 8 Bags of Holding, rope, a lot of clothes, bedroll, +5 longbow of Icy Burst, Crystal's +4 blade, magic leather armor, dyed Boots of Speed (forum), at least 200,000 gp in cash, trowel, metal detector, 4+ quivers of green arrows including silver and cold iron, three potions (since Belkar took one), thief's tools, bag of copper pieces (SSDT).

    Vaarsuvius
    True Neutral (forum), Elf ambiguously gendered Wizard: Evoker (DCF) 15 (required to cast Power Word Stun, and same as Z'zdtri).
    Str 5-9 (can carry Yukyuk, and strength penalty).
    Dex <12 (no real attack bonus on rays, forum).
    Con 8-12 (required to have enough HP to survive the fight against Xykon; also, lacks a decent con, forum; and lower than Haley).
    Int 23 (required to cast four 6th-level spells with a base int of 18 increased to 19 at level 12).
    Wis 10-11 (moderate, forum).
    Cha 6-9 (can return as a ghost, and poor charisma, forum).
    Age: 130+ (WXP).
    Feats (11+): Alertness, Empower Spell, Extend Spell (SSDT), Maximize Spell (SSDT), Quicken Spell, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), not Silent Spell (forum), not Still Spell.
    Skills (108+): Appraise +3 (from familiar), Concentrate, Craft: Alchemy, Decipher Script (SSDT), Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Religion, Ride 0, Spot 0, Search 0, Speak Language: elf (racial), raven, not draconic (SSDT), Spellcraft, , Use Magic Device 2+.
    Abilities: Elf racial abilities, familiar: Blackwing, share spells with familiar, scry on familiar, barred schools: Conjuration and Necromancy (forum; also by elimination).
    Items: Headband of Intellect +4 (required to cast four 6th-level spells with a base int of 18 at level 11), Ring of Wizardry III or IV, two small gemstones, many scrolls and spellbooks, Finding Plot Holes for Dummies, twelve more books, jar of diamond dust, two potions (SSDT), apricot-scented face gel (SSDT), chalice (SSDT).
    Spells: Arcane Eye, Banishment, Bull's Strength, Bugsby's Cat-Retrieving Hand, Bugsby's Expressive Single Digit, Bugsby's Flicking Finger, Bugsby's Grasping Hand, Chain Lightning, Charm Monster, Cone of Cold, Crushing Despair, Detect Magic, Dimensional Anchor, Disintegrate, Dispel Magic, Distant Inferno (OOPC), Dominate Person, Evan's Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion, Expeditious Retreat, Explosive Runes, Feather Fall, Fireball, Fire Trap, Flamefinger (OOPC), Forcecage, Fly, Greater Dispel Magic, Greater Invisibility (SSDT), Gust of Wind, Haste, Heroism, Hold Monster (SSDT), Hold Person, Hold Portal, Identify, Invisibility, discount Invisibility Sphere, Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Mass Bear's Endurance. Mass Bull's Strength, Mass Enlarge Person, Overland Flight, Owl's Wisdom, Passwall, Polymorph, Power Word Blind, Power Word Stun, Prestidigitation, Prismatic Spray, Protection from Arrows, Resilient Sphere (SSDT), Scorching Ray, See Invisibility, Sending, Silent Image, Sleep, Stinking Cloud (DCF), Stoneskin, Stone to Flesh, Suggestion, Summon Plot Hole (SWMU), True Seeing, Vaarsuvius' Enhanced Scrying, Vaarsuvius' Greater Animal Messenger, Vampiric Touch, Veil, at least one sonic spell.

    Blackwing (Common name)
    Raven male, familiar
    Str 1 (racial).
    Dex 15 (racial).
    Con 10 (racial).
    Int 13+ (familiar, based on Vaarsuvius's level).
    Wis 14 (racial).
    Cha 6 (racial).
    Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Skills: Listen +5, Spot +7, can use Vaarsuvius's skill ranks.
    Abilities: Flight, low-light vision (both racial abilities); natural armor +8, improved evasion, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with birds, spell resistance 18 (all familiar abilities).
    Items: Bauble, sombrero, fake beard and mustache, wand.
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    Frequently Asked Questions

    Q: Which characters are included in this thread?
    (1) All members of the Order, Team Evil, and the Linear Guild.
    (2) Any frequently occuring character, as noted in the Character Appearances thread. Note that this includes Samantha: it was easier to be a common character back when the comic was shorter. We don't unlist characters just because they've died.
    (3) Family members of the main characters, as long as we have something to write about them.

    Q: Which material is covered by this thread?
    All comics on the web and in print (including SSDT, Gygax magazine, and the Kickstarter bonus stories), as well as anything written about the comic by The Giant. However, not included are any one-panel joke comics, such as used for incentives, t-shirts, or the fundraiser.
    Note that even though the characters have stated they aren't sure whether this is the same continuity, certain items and abilities have been shown to carry over. We're listing all of it here for the sake of convenience, but any material from (e.g.) SSDT is clearly marked as such so that people can distinguish it from the main online comics.

    Q: Is a character's statement about another character considered evidence?
    Yes. We assume that when a character says something about another character's (or his own) ability scores, build, feats, and so forth, they are speaking the truth, except where this contradicts with other evidence or is clearly not possible within the rules.

    Q: What does "Core" mean?
    The three "Core" books in 3E D&D are the Player's Handbook 1 (PHB), Dungeon Master's Guide 1 (DMG), and Monster Manual 1 (MM). This is an official term defined by WOTC, who put the word "Core" in big letters on the cover of these three books. No other books are Core, and there is no such thing as "partially Core", "almost Core", or "semi-Core" - every book is either Core or non-Core. Note that both the OOTS comic and this thread contain numerous non-Core elements.

    Q: A character undertook this heinous/awesome/dutiful/impulsive/meh action. Does that mean they are now evil/good/lawful/chaotic/neutral?
    No. As seen in a thousand forum threads, people have different ideas about alignment, and what defines and changes them. The alignments posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their alignment, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which has an alignment restriction. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's action changes their alignment, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers.

    Q: A character undertook this brilliant/moronic/insightful/ignorant/inspiring/repulsive action. Does that mean they now have a high/low intelligence/wisdom/charisma score?
    No. Similar to the previous question, people have different ideas about what the mental ability scores represent and how much they influence a character's personality. The ability scores posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their scores, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which requires a minimum ability score. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's personality changes their ability scores, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers either.

    Q: How does Xykon cast Maximized Energy Drain in comic 652?
    We don't know for sure. The most popular theories involve the feat Improved Spell Capacity, the feat Sudden Maximize, or a Rod of Metamagic. Each theory has its pros and cons.

    Q: What magic item makes Xykon immune to fire damage in comic 653?
    We don't know for sure; there are multiple items within RAW that make their user immune to fire, available from level 14. Note that Xykon doesn't specify whether it's an amulet, ring, belt, or other kind of item.
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    Team Evil

    Xykon, pseudonym (SOD)
    Chaotic Evil, Human male lich, Sorcerer 21+
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Wis ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Cha 28+ (casts seven 9th-level spells in one combat, SOD).
    Age: 111+ (WXP).
    Feats (13+): Maximize Spell, Still Spell, Epic Spellcasting, at least one craft feat.
    Skills (46+): Bluff, Concentration (required to cast while grappled), Spellcraft 24+, Knowledge: Arcana 24+ (required for Epic Spellcasting), Reverse Psychology 2+, Speak Language: Draconic (NCPB); +8 racial bonus on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Search, Sense Motive, and Spot checks.
    Abilities: Fear aura, paralyzing touch, turn resistance, damage reduction (SOD), immunity to cold, electricity, polymorph, and mind-affecting attacks (all lich abilities).
    Items: Soul gem (SOD), Serini's diary, Widescreen crystal ball, Teevo, crown that radiates evil, Dorukan's headband, unspecified item that gives fire immunity, Ring of Protection that gives deflection bonus.
    Spells: Animate Dead, Animate Dead Animal (SOD), Cloister, Cloudkill (SOD), Contingency, Energy Drain (SOD), Epic Mage Armor, Finger of Death, Ghostform, Greater Invisibility, Greater Teleport, Invisibility (SOD), Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Mass Hold Person, Meteor Swarm, Otiluke's Resilient Sphere (SOD), Overland Flight, Ray of Frost, Shatter, Soul Bind (SOD), Stoneskin, Superb Dispelling, Symbol of Insanity, Symbol of Pain, Teleport, Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage, unspecified fire spell, unspecified spell that enables travel to the Astral Plane.

    Redcloak, pseudonym (SOD)
    Lawful (required for Law domain) Evil (SOD), Goblin male, Cleric (SOD) 17 (can cast 9th spells).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 20+ (based on saving throw difficulty class).
    Cha 12+ (required to use Rebuke Undead four times per day).
    Age: 55+ (WXP), does not age physically (SOD).
    Feats (5+): Craft Wondrous Item (Xykon's phylactery in SOD), Extend Spell.
    Skills (36+): Diplomacy (SOD), Knowledge: Chemistry. Does not speak Draconic (NCPB).
    Abilities: Goblin racial abilities, Rebuke Undead, Command Undead, Destruction domain (required to cast Disintegrate) and Law domain (required to cast Hold Monster, SOD).
    Items: The Crimson Mantle, backup unholy symbol, Book of Vile Darkness, Fiend Folio, Monster Manual II, eye patch, spyglass, Xykon's Phylactery, Arcane half of the Snarl Ritual, Ring of protection from level drain
    Spells: standard cleric list, plus domain spells as listed above, plus Unseal, Greater Obscure Object, Superior Resistance, Hardening

    Tsukiko (deceased)
    Evil, Human female, Wizard: Necromancer (forum) 3+ / Cleric 3+ (required for Mystic Theurge) / Mystic Theurge 6+, and two more levels of either Wizard or Mystic Theurge (required to cast 6th-level wizard spells).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Create Undead as a wizard).
    Wis 15+ (required to cast Flame Strike as a cleric).
    Feats (6+): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Quicken Spell.
    Skills (42+): Knowledge: Arcana 6+, Knowledge: Religion 6+ (required for Mystic Theurge).
    Abilities: Rebuke Undead, two unknown domains, barred school (forum): Abjuration (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), unholy symbol (required to cast Flame Strike), Xykon plushie, Xykon portrait, various books and scrolls, quill.
    Spells: standard cleric list, plus wizard spells Cold Orb, Create Undead, Dominate Person, Electric Orb, Fire Orb, Fireball, Fly, Invisibility, Lesser Acid Orb, Lightning Bolt, Mind Fog, Shout, Teleport, Tsukiko's Amazing Wight-Making Spell (forum).

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    The Linear Guild

    Nale
    Lawful Evil, Human male, Fighter / Rogue 2+ (required for Evasion) / Sorcerer 8+ (required to cast Dimension Door); total level 15 (Hit by Holy Word).
    Str <19 (same as Elan, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (same as Elan).
    Con ~10 (same as Elan).
    Int 10+ (higher than Sabine, forum).
    Cha 15+ (required to cast Sending).
    Age: 22+ (same as Elan).
    Skills: Bluff.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities.
    Items: Longsword, wand of Enervation.
    Spells: Charm Person, Dimension Door, Expeditious Retreat, Invisibility, Prestidigitation, Suggestion.

    Sabine
    Evil, Succubus female, Racial hit dice 6 / Level adjustment 6 / Rogue (NCPB) 3+ (at least as high as her personal rival Haley).
    Dex ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 9+ (racial minimum, and higher than Thog).
    Wis ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha ~26 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 2000+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Flight, change shape, energy drain, charm monster, detect good, detect thoughts, ethereal jaunt, suggestion, greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, summon demon, damage reduction 10 / cold iron or good, darkvision, electricity and poison immunity, acid cold and fire resistance, spell resistance 18, telepathy, tongues; plane shift 1/day (all racial abilities), rogue class abilities, doesn't grow tired.

    Zz'dtri
    Non-good Drow male, Wizard: Transmuter (DCF) 15 (to be deafened by Holy Word).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 17+ (required to cast Plane Shift).
    Cha ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats (9+): Lightning Reflexes, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell (forum), Boost Spell Resistance, unspecified feat that increases Spell Resistance, Empower Spell.
    Skills: Language (Drow Sign Language)
    Abilities: Spell Resistance 28+ (racial, at least +4 from feats and an item), barred schools: Enchantment, Necromancy (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), unspecified item that boosts Spell Resistance.
    Spells: Baleful Polymorph, Break Enchantment, Dimension Door, Disguise Self, Flesh to Stone, Fly (3.0 version), Gust of Wind, Phantasmal Killer, Planar Binding, Plane Shift, Protection from Energy, Scrying, Shield, Teleport, Vitriolic Sphere, Wall of Ice, unspecified lightning spell.

    Qarr
    Lawful Evil, Imp male, Sorcerer 8-10 (required to cast Charm Monster, and to get only two Scorching Rays).
    Dex ~17 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 12+ (familiar, based on Zz'dtri's level).
    Wis ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha 14+ (required to cast Charm Monster).
    Feats (5+): Dodge, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Abilities: Flight, poison, detect good, detect magic, invisibility: self, suggestion 1/day, commune 1/week, alternate form, damage reduction 5/good or silver, darkvision, fast healing, poison immunity, fire resistance; greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, plane shift, summon devil (all racial abilities);
    Spells: Charm Monster, Lesser Telepathic Bond or Telepathic Bond, Lightning Bolt, Scorching Ray.

    Tarquin
    Lawful Evil, Human male, level 16+ (unaffected by Holy Word).
    Age: 51+ (has been adventuring for 35 years).
    Str 16+ (Can carry Nale)
    Con ~9 (no evidence, age)
    Dex 13+ (required for Sidestep Charge or Robilar's Gambit)
    Int, Wis, Cha ~11 (no evidence, age)
    Feats: Quick draw, [Dodge and Sidestep Charge or Combat Reflexes and Robilar's Gambit], [Snatch Arrows or Gloves of Arrow Snaring]
    Skills: Language (Drow Sign Language), Ride, Spellcraft, Spot
    Items: Dagger, helmet, two Rings of Regeneration, Ring of True Seeing, Glamoured Armor, mask that says "Nope" on it, whip, Keoghtum Ointment.

    Malack, pseudonym
    Non-Good, Vampire Lizardfolk male Cleric of Nergal 12+ (required for Craft Staff).
    Age: 200+
    Str ~18 (no evidence, racial)
    Con N/A (Undead)
    Dex ~14 (no evidence, racial)
    Int ~10 (no evidence, racial)
    Wis 16+ (required to cast Harm)
    Cha ~14 (no evidence, racial)
    Feats (9+): Quicken Spell, Craft Staff [Vampire Bonus Feats] Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes
    Abilities: Blood Drain, Children of the Night, Dominate, Create Spawn, Energy Drain, Alternate Form (Wolf, Bat, Gaseous)
    Items: Holy Symbol, Staff of Obscure Spells.
    Spells: Standard Cleric, plus Protection from Daylight

    Kilkil
    Non-Good Winged Kobold male, level 5-10 (paralyzed by Holy Word).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Items: glasses.
    [i]Skills:[/s] Speak Language (Draconic)
    Abilities: flight.


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    Thog
    Non-lawful (required for rage) Evil, Half-Orc male, Fighter 2 / Barbarian 9+ (required to have 3 attacks a round).
    Str 14+ (his highest ability score).
    Int <8 (racial, dump stat).
    Wis <10 (abysmal will save).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 17+ (WXP).
    Feats (3+): Power Attack.
    Skills (6+): Jump.
    Abilities: Dungeoncrasher alternative class feature (forum), half-orc racial abilities, barbarian class abilities.

    Hilgya
    Non-lawful (worships the god of chaos) Evil (DCF), Dwarf female, Cleric of Loki 7+ (required to cast Restoration).
    Wis 14+ (required to cast Restoration).
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, Fire domain, one unknown domain.
    Items: Horned helmet, armor, shield, holy symbol (required to use rebuke ability).

    Leeky Windstaff
    Neutral Evil, Gnome male, Druid 13+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 17+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Feats (5+): Leadership.
    Abilities: Gnome racial abilities, druid class abilities, animal companion (hawk "Kitty", deceased).

    Pompey
    Evil, Half-Elf male, Wizard: Conjurer 5+ (required to cast Still Silent Animate Rope).
    Int 14+ (required to cast four 2nd-level spells per day).
    Age: 44+.
    Feats (3+): Scribe scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell, Still Spell.
    Skills (35+): Knowledge: Arcana.
    Abilities: Half-elf racial abilities, barred schools: evocation and enchantment.
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Animate Rope, Summon Monster I, Summon Monster II, at least 5 touch-range buff spells -- lowest-level possibilities are Mage Armor, Protection from Good, Protection from Law, Bull's Strength, Bear's Endurance.

    Yikyik (deceased)
    Chaotic Evil (same as Belkar, DCF), Kobold male, Ranger (DCF).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex 12+ (gets additional attack from Combat Reflexes).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    [i]Skills:[/s] Speak Language (Draconic)
    Feats: Combat Reflexes, Track (ranger bonus feat).
    Abilities: Ranger class abilities.
    Items: Dagger.

    Yokyok (deceased)
    Kobold male.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    [i]Skills:[/s] Speak Language (Draconic)
    Items: Rapier.

    Yukyuk (Deceased)
    Kobold male, Ranger 4+ (required for an animal companion) / Rogue.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Abilities: Ranger and rogue class abilities, animal companion (riding dog "Sir Scraggly").
    [i]Skills:[/s] Speak Language (Draconic)
    Feats (4+): Endurance, Track (ranger bonus feats).
    Items: Two Crossbows of Quick Loading.



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    Hinjo
    Lawful Good, Human male, Paladin 11-12 (three attacks per round, but was lower level than Roy during the battle at Azure City, and hasn't leveled up since).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 26+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, Summon Conscience, paladin mount: dire wolf "Argent".
    Items: Cold-iron katana, silvered katana; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP).

    Lien
    Lawful Good, Human female, Paladin 12+ (higher level than Hinjo).
    Str 13+ (required for Cleave).
    Int 10+ (good, not dumb).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 29+ (three years older than Hinjo, DSTP).
    Feats (6+): Cleave, Power Attack (prerequisite for Cleave), Weapon Focus: Longspear.
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, paladin mount: large shark "Razor".
    Items: Longspear; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); ring of waterbreathing (DSTP).

    Miko Miyazaki (deceased)
    Lawful Good, Human female, Monk 2+ / Fallen Paladin 10+ (three main-hand attacks per round, and higher level than Hinjo).
    Str 13+ (required for Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana; the DMG states that a katana is a masterwork bastard sword; wielding it in one hand requires a feat, wielding it in two hands does not).
    Dex 17+ (required for Improved Two-Weapon Fighting).
    Wis 11+ (required to cast Cure Light Wounds in the Miko fight).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 28+ (WXP).
    Feats (6+): Cleave, Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (two off-hand attacks per round), Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Quick Draw, Stunning Fist, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting (prerequisite for ITWF).
    Skills (30+): Knowledge: the Planes, Survival +1.
    Abilities: Monk class abilities, unavailable paladin mount: horse "Windstriker".
    Items: Magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); katana, wakizashi.

    O-Chul
    Lawful Good, Human male, Fighter / Paladin 3+ (has Aura of Courage), total level 12+ (higher than Hinjo).
    Str 11+ (can carry Vaarsuvius).
    Con ~25 (WXP).
    Cha <10 (dump stat).
    Age: 29+ (fighter for twelve years, and minimum age for a fighter is 16).
    Skills (45+): Bluff 0, Spellcraft, Swim.
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities.

    Shojo (deceased)
    Chaotic Good, Human male, Aristocrat 14.
    Str / Dex / Con ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Int / Wis / Cha ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 72+ (WXP).
    Feats (6): Improved Paranoia.
    Skills (68+): Bluff, Perform (puppetry).


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    Celia
    Lawful Good (DSTP), Sylph female, 6+ HD (required to cast Lightning Bolt).
    Cha 16+ (required to cast four 3rd-level spells in a day).
    Age: 22+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Flight, cast sorcerer spells as a caster of a level equal to her HD, shoot lightning out of her fingers (all racial abilities).
    Skills (36+): Spellcraft.
    Items: Black eyeliner pencil, cell phone, "feeblemind causing" blue dress.
    Spells: Alter Self, Lightning Bolt, either Fog Cloud or Obscuring Mist, no necromancy spells.

    Eugene Greenhilt (deceased, OOPC)
    Lawful Good (SOD), Human male ghost, Wizard: Illusionist 11+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Str/Dex ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Wis ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Cha 6+ (required to become a ghost).
    Age: 81+ (WXP).
    Feats (8+): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Detect Scrying, Fly (SOD), Invisibility Sphere, Minor Image (OOPC), Permanent Image, Summon Boot, Teleport (SOD), unspecified chair conjuration (OOPC), unspecified fire spell.

    Julia Greenhilt
    True Neutral, Human female, Wizard 3.
    Int 15+ (required to cast Sending from a scroll).
    Age: 17+ (five years younger than Nale).
    Feats (4): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Spells: Feather Fall, Magic Missile.

    Samantha (deceased)
    Evil (NCPB), Human female, Sorcerer 12 (required to cast exactly three 6th level spells in a day).
    Cha 16-21 (required to cast Chain Lightning, but has no bonus spells at level 6). Also, her charisma is higher than Haley's.
    Age: 18.
    Feats (5): Maximize Spell, not Silent Spell, not Still Spell.
    Spells: Chain Lightning, Fireball, Fly, Hold Person, Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Protection From Arrows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic View Post
    For the benefit of anyone who did not click on that link, the conversation goes:
    Whoa.
    :celia: Do you like it?
    Celia, I think your dress is forcing a Will saving throw.
    :celia: *amused expression, eyebrow raised* Oh? To avoid being Charmed?
    To avoid being Feebleminded.
    :celia: Ha ha ha! Well thank you. I spend so many days wearing a suit now, it feels good to be able to dress like a woman once in a while.

    For some reason, this is being treated as a sternly factual statement that Celia went on a date wearing a dress that causes Feeblemind, and the casualties she caused along the way went uncommented.
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    Okay, so I'm thinking Tarquin has levels in monk (among other things), because he's used improved versions of deflect arrow and stunning fist (well, with an axe, but still). I don't think there's sufficient evidence for this yet but it would explain part of his abilities.

    I'm curious what we should do about Qarr. As a group of evil opposites, the Linear Guild must clearly always have six members, just like the Order does. So I'm thinking that Qarr is either still a familiar, or he's not actually a member of the LG but just hanging out with them. As I recall, some people objected to calling Qarr a familiar since he has his own agenda, but we have been unable to find any rule stating a familiar must be loyal to his master. Food for thought?

    Another thing, should we list Ian in the thread? As far as I know, the only things we have is that he's a rogue and has Open Locks skill, but I'm sure if we re-read all comics he's in we can find another tidbit or two.
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    I don't think Qarr's a familiar. Everything about familiars is keyed off the master's level, and Qarr has his own class levels in sorcerer and everything. I don't know, though. Would his HD change upon becoming Zz'dtri's familiar? Would Z'zdtri notice an empathic link or absence of one?

    Kish is definitely right about Celia's dress, though. It does not cause Feeblemindedness. In that same comic Celia and Roy make a bunch of other jokes based on applying D&D rules to romantic interaction. In fact, it would completely deflate Roy's compliment/joke if her dress actually forced a saving throw, as it would be not hyperbole but simple description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnome Alone View Post
    Kish is definitely right about Celia's dress, though. It does not cause Feeblemindedness. In that same comic Celia and Roy make a bunch of other jokes based on applying D&D rules to romantic interaction. In fact, it would completely deflate Roy's compliment/joke if her dress actually forced a saving throw, as it would be not hyperbole but simple description.
    I concur that it isn't actually a feeblemind causing dress, but I assume that this description was used because it is simply more descriptive than 'blue dress'. So the feeblemind causing part should be read as between "'s or something (why it isn't between quotes then, I don't know, but I find it hard to believe that anyone seriously thought it was a magic item that causes Feeblemindedness).

    We do keep track of other characters miscellaneous clothing items (see belkars cloak or Haley's extra clothes), so the fact that the dress is listed shouldn't in itself be surprising.

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    Why is this listed under items when in the linked comic zz'dtri refers to it as "feats stuff"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
    Okay, so I'm thinking Tarquin has levels in monk (among other things), because he's used improved versions of deflect arrow and stunning fist (well, with an axe, but still). I don't think there's sufficient evidence for this yet but it would explain part of his abilities.
    Thematically I think his perfect class would Tome of Battle character like a Warblade, but a fighter/monk is more likely at this stage given the number of feats he is implied to have. Alas we still can't nail anything down just yet. Here's hoping he snatches another arrow to give us something concrete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
    I'm curious what we should do about Qarr. As a group of evil opposites, the Linear Guild must clearly always have six members, just like the Order does. So I'm thinking that Qarr is either still a familiar, or he's not actually a member of the LG but just hanging out with them. As I recall, some people objected to calling Qarr a familiar since he has his own agenda, but we have been unable to find any rule stating a familiar must be loyal to his master. Food for thought?
    I've always felt that Z's insistance Qarr was his familiar was evidence enough, citing that Blackwing has shown disloyalty to V in the past by testifying at the trial. However enough people argued that his duplicity during the fight in the EoB was enough that he was faking the whole thing that we couldn't establish consensus on it.

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    Another thing, should we list Ian in the thread?
    I don't think so. Tarquin, Malack and Kilkil are there because they're members of the guild right now. If we knew some solid levels/stats/feats for Ian then he'd be on the same level as Julia, but I don't think a class and a skill are enough to go on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine Crow View Post
    I concur that it isn't actually a feeblemind causing dress, but I assume that this description was used because it is simply more descriptive than 'blue dress'. So the feeblemind causing part should be read as between "'s or something (why it isn't between quotes then, I don't know, but I find it hard to believe that anyone seriously thought it was a magic item that causes Feeblemindedness).

    We do keep track of other characters miscellaneous clothing items (see belkars cloak or Haley's extra clothes), so the fact that the dress is listed shouldn't in itself be surprising.
    I think it was added like that to just be a little descriptive and slightly humourous. If people think the description should be more accurate I can fix it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine Crow View Post
    Why is this listed under items when in the linked comic zz'dtri refers to it as "feats stuff"?
    There's two sentences there. "Feats. Stuff." The presumption that the "stuff" is an item (or more) of some sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic View Post
    There's two sentences there. "Feats. Stuff." The presumption that the "stuff" is an item (or more) of some sort.
    Oh, wow, there is actually a . between those two words? I went back to check it, but it is really hard to tell on my monitor. I guess that's a fair explanation then.
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    A couple things I want to throw in.

    1) Is V's jar of diamond dust on Durkon now? I see they are both listed as having it in inventory, but I'd argue that Durkon didn't have it when they resurrected Roy, so the diamond dust he has he must've acquired between then and now, which means either he procured the diamond dust in the EoB or it's the same jar V purchased in Sandsedge.

    2) Has anyone brought up the strip where Tarquin is standing on his mount? The SRD20 website states that standing on a mount is an epic Ride skill. One can infer from that short description that perhaps one can stand on their mount w/o being epic level and take a penalty to their action. And I've never played DnD so I don't know how to interpret that, but given what he does to Roy in the next panel it doesn't seem like he has penalties to his movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic View Post
    I think it was added like that to just be a little descriptive and slightly humourous. If people think the description should be more accurate I can fix it.
    I'm not sure why it's listed at all; Roy's possessions list doesn't mention that he has the suit he wore on the same date, after all.

    Belkar's cloak and Haley's extra clothes highlight an inconsistency here. The thread should either keep track of every single outfit a character it's tracking has worn and not explicitly lost, or only mention the ones that are particularly noteworthy for some reason (usually translating to "magical"); I'd think the latter would make more sense.
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    2) Has anyone brought up the strip where Tarquin is standing on his mount? The SRD20 website states that standing on a mount is an epic Ride skill. One can infer from that short description that perhaps one can stand on their mount w/o being epic level and take a penalty to their action. And I've never played DnD so I don't know how to interpret that, but given what he does to Roy in the next panel it doesn't seem like he has penalties to his movement.
    I doubt that can be counted as him standing on his mount, because he takes no action while doing so other than preparing to leap off and strike Roy. Considering he hits Roy only once, his preparation/leap was likely his move action, which means he didn't even use the "Fast dismount" usage of the Ride skill, although I'm not entirely certain what the rules are for falling and whether it uses up your move action; he could've used fast dismount and then had his move taken up by the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnome Alone View Post
    Everything about familiars is keyed off the master's level, and Qarr has his own class levels in sorcerer and everything
    That's true of normal familiars (i.e. ordinary animals) but not of advanced ones (e.g. imps). Getting he former is the normal class ability, obtaining the latter requires a feat.

    Would Z'zdtri notice an empathic link or absence of one?
    Well, yes. Z'zdtri has an empathic link, improved alertness, the ability to share spells, and the ability to scry on Qarr; but only as long as Qarr is his familiar. With so many abilities dependent on his familiarity, it strikes me as weird that an intelligent character like Z would not have noticed.

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    I concur that it isn't actually a feeblemind causing dress, but I assume that this description was used because it is simply more descriptive than 'blue dress'. So the feeblemind causing part should be read as between "'s or something
    Sure, put in two quotes and everything's good. The dress is clearly a real item in Celia's possession (we've even seen the scene with V where she buys it).
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    Next question: Why the assumption that "Summon Employee Exit" is one of her spells, instead of an item or ability Dorukan arranged for his employees to have, considering she says "I'll summon the employee exit" and (without saying "Summon Employee Exit") opens a door to something Dorukan had constructed?
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    Add Invisibility Purge (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0820.html), Harm (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0811.html) and Flame Strike (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0853.html) to Malack's list of spells, please. Guess Inflict Moderate Wounds (from #811 too) was converted one, right?

    Also discussion @ http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0735.html suggests that he either knows some healing spells or can convert those he knows to healing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoul-n View Post
    Add Inisibility Purge (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0820.html), Harm (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0811.html) and Flame Strike (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0853.html) to Malack's list of spells, please. Guess Inflict Moderate Wounds (from #811 too) was converted one, right?
    Those are all standard cleric spells. Clerics, by default, can cast everything on this list, so we're not going to copy/paste that every time a cleric appears in the comic :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoul-n View Post
    Guess Inflict Moderate Wounds (from #811 too) was converted one, right?
    He didn't cast Inflict Moderate Wounds; he cast Quickened Inflict Moderate Wounds. For that to be a swift action rather than a full-round action, he had to have it prepared in a sixth-level slot.
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    Question: we're using "unspecified X spell" when a character has a certain ability but we don't yet know where it actually came from, e.g. Z's "unspecified lightning spell" and Xykon's "unspecified fire spell," right?

    I ask because I think Xykon has some summoning magic that we don't know about yet. This is based on Redcloak's comment in panel 6. He specifically distinguishes it from Xykon's regular undead animation abilities as well.
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    First, please don't start threads with ideas you don't support just to see what reactions you get. That's almost the definition of trolling.

    Second, the whole "blue text" thing is not a forum rule or even a recommended procedure. If someone wants to do it in their own posts, fine, but everyone should stop telling people that they "need to" or "should have" posted in blue just because they're being sarcastic/ironic/whatever.

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    I have a quick question about citations. Does "(forum)" simply mean that particular stat is sourced by consensus--more or less--by the readers?

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    No. It means that Rich stated the information used to determine the stat; you can generally read him doing so by clicking on the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    I ask because I think Xykon has some summoning magic that we don't know about yet. This is based on Redcloak's comment in panel 6. He specifically distinguishes it from Xykon's regular undead animation abilities as well.
    Good catch. Yes, Xykon has an unspecified summon spell.

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    I have a quick question about citations. Does "(forum)" simply mean that particular stat is sourced by consensus--more or less--by the readers?
    It means that the source for a stat is a forum post rather than a comic. Almost universally, this is a post by The Giant. For instance, Tsukiko's Amazing Wight-Making Spell was explicitly pointed out by Rich in one of the forum threads.
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    Good catch. Yes, Xykon has an unspecified summon spell.
    Or he had a bunch of scrolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    As a rule of thumb, I tend to think of them as being around 7th-9th level or so; powerful enough to have a bunch of different storytelling options, weak enough that I can justify them running away from anything I throw at them.
    As has been mentioned several times, the characters began the strip at level 8 rather than level 10. The table should read:

    {table]Level||||||
    9|12|12|12|12|12|12
    10|124|125|124|124|124|124
    11|251|???|201|???|???|186
    12|???, 665|249|???|???|477|???
    13|485, - |???|556|393|511|397
    14| - |???|???|647|???|627
    15| - |???|859| - |615|716
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yendor View Post
    Or he had a bunch of scrolls.
    We don't generally assume items for things that a character can do with his own class features (this is e.g. why Belkar is listed with the Evasion ability, rather than with a Ring of Evasion). Occam's razor, basically.

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    As has been mentioned several times, the characters began the strip at level 8 rather than level 10. The table should read:
    Good point, I'll update that later this week.
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    Something we might want to talk about, but it would depend on whether Qarr is actually Z'sfammilar or not: If I am reading this right, for Z to have Qarr as a famillar Z's alignment would have to be lawful neutral, lawful evil or neutral evil. The problem being that if Qarr isn't technically Z's fammilar then we have nothing concrete.

    Edit: on a random side note, does Malak's comments in panel 3 indicate that he has the skill Kowledge: The planes? the comment being "Hrrrrm, typical fiend behavior."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da'Shain View Post
    I doubt that can be counted as him standing on his mount, because he takes no action while doing so other than preparing to leap off and strike Roy. Considering he hits Roy only once, his preparation/leap was likely his move action, which means he didn't even use the "Fast dismount" usage of the Ride skill, although I'm not entirely certain what the rules are for falling and whether it uses up your move action; he could've used fast dismount and then had his move taken up by the fall.
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    This allows the character to stand on his or her mount’s back even during movement or combat. The character takes no penalties to actions while doing so.
    The "during movement" bit makes me think that it's plausible that he's using the Stand on Mount skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    The "during movement" bit makes me think that it's plausible that he's using the Stand on Mount skill.
    I think it's quite plausible too, which is why I suggested it. I don't get how he's not using the skill. He is clearly standing on his mount while moving towards the Order, and while standing jumps off and attacks Roy. At the very least it warrants further discussion.

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    Yeah; I mean, in theory he could have Stand on Mount as low as 17th level, but it would require his Ride rank to be maxxed out and his having rolled a natural 20 (maxxed out Ride skill for Fighters at 17th: +20 plus the rolled natural 20 = just making the DC 40 requirement for Stand on Mount). Since Tarquin wasn't affected by the Holy Word, we know he's at least 17th level, which fits with the minimum requirements for SoM.

    TL;DR Tarquin very likely has his Ride skill maxxed out.
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    Not sure if this has already been proposed, but i may have an alternative to Belkar's high level.

    Maybe he did get the paralysis effect, but was currently immune?
    Maybe belkar was buffed with some spell that let him be immune to paralysis (does freedom of movement work with it?)
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    Belkar's level is derived from the number of iterative attacks he used against Roy when trying to impress the guards. Durkon's level is derived from Belkar's deafness, not the other way 'round.
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