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2012-08-29, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
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2012-08-30, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Since Xykon cast a Maximised Energy Drain and can cast Epic spells, doesn't that point to him having at least 4 Epic feats? That would put him at level 26+. Epic feats coming at L21,23,24, and 26. The feats being Epic Spellcasting and Improved Spellcasting x3 The fight on the dragon where Roy died indicates that he must also have a huge Concentration skill as Roy did 55+ HP a swing against those mummies. And in episode 442, Xykon muses that hes got 7, 8, or even more levels on Roy.
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2012-08-30, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
That's another one of the big arguments that's been rehashed a lot without convincing anyone. Some people think explanations involving non-core feats (Sudden Maximize) or major magic items that aren't shown (greater metamagic rod of maximize) should be considered and are more likely than the sheer number of levels required for Xykon to have that many epic feats. Others think these alternative explanations are not viable without specific evidence and the number of levels required is within reason.
This disagreement grew into an enormous hostile debate with almost no one being convinced to change sides, and the resolution we ended up with is that the listed stats are a minimum that every explanation with significant backing require and, for the good of the thread, the argument itself is just dropped.Like 4X (aka Civilization-like) gaming? Know programming? Interested in game development? Take a look.
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2012-08-30, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
It strikes me that even if Qarr isn't Z's familiar any more, he used to be in the past, and therefore Z must meet all the prerequisites for having an imp familiar
Well, he also adds his dexterity modifier, which could be as high as +6 by now. Still, it does prove that he has the skill trained.
Basically this, but remember that Improved Spell Capacity is also a non-core feat. This one is in the FAQ; I think I should also add a FAQ entry for Belkar's wisdom, but as that's ages ago I'd have to think of a good wording.
However, it is worth considering what comic #442 indicates about Xykon's concentration skill (bearing in mind that he has a constitution modifier of zero).Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2012-08-30, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
He does show contempt at V blowing an "easy" Concentration check, which suggests he has a high score himself.
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2012-08-30, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Being undead, Xykon would use his (high) Charisma modifier for Concentration checks.
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2012-08-30, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Xykon has no room to talk really, considering some mid-level paladins who weren't even overcoming his DR made him blow a 9th too.
Concentration checks in general are pretty hard to make in OotS. Someone made the corresponding joke that the Giant must be using Pathfinder rules after allPlague Doctor by Crimmy
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2012-08-30, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree, and there is a strong evidence that helps to prove it:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0853.html
Seems like he is evading Malack's Flame Strike. I think it's time to return to that discussion about the divine damage of this spell, because I don't think Tarquin would go unharmed against it even if he had magical protection against fire.
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2012-08-30, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
You can't evade with armor. Plus, armor catching and stning fist are fighter feats, too. For me, Tarquin is a Fighter with an insane number of feats in core, probably has a lot of situational feats like Blindfight, Catch arrows or Stunning fist. Plus, probably some item gives him fire inmunity.
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2012-08-30, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Sorry, I forgot that detail.
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2012-08-30, 05:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Z has Teleport. Nale no longer has his longsword (which I now notice was never updated in the OP). Tarquin no longer has his axe.
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2012-08-30, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Both Tarquin and Zz'dtri have Speak Language: Drow Sign Language.
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2012-08-30, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Kilkil is 5-9 levels below Durkon; he was paralyzed this whole time.
EDIT: scratch the Nale bit.
EDIT2: Whoops, that was already on there.Last edited by Psyren; 2012-08-30 at 07:50 PM.
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2012-08-30, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Another minor tidbit, but the reveal that Tarquin has Speak Language: Drow Sign Language means that we have either locked his Int from level 1 as 12+, or that he has at least one rank in Speak Language. Considering his monologue after revealing he knew the language, it seems to me that he picked up the skill rank in order to keep up with a "new fad" in the form of Drow characters everywhere.
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2012-08-31, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
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2012-08-31, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Because it is, by a strict definition of 'core'. It's not in the PHB, DMG, or MM1. *shrug*
Yes, lots of people use "core" to refer to "basically everything in the SRD", but not everyone means that.
Also, the ELH was originally made for 3.0, not 3.5, and then somewhat-halfheartedly updated, so it doesn't always fit very well with the rest of 3.5. The distinction is valid.
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2012-08-31, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-31, 04:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Also, Tarquin is strong enough to carry Nale.
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2012-08-31, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-31, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Nah, I wouldn't agree with this. The paladins for instance very rarely fail saves. Reflex saves tend to work (Haley, Nale, Sabine.) Disintegrate only one-shot one character (and an object) on-camera, in all other instances it failed to get the job done. Finger of Death has failed every time it's come out.
And then we have this
The one category of saves that fail regularly are will vs. charm/compulsion, and those tend to be used against weak-minded foes anyway (Belkar, Thog, Enor) so it's to be expected.
We have objective proof that ISC is in play. V does not possess any rods, and his splices have no objects either (being souls), yet he cast a 10th-level spell.Last edited by Psyren; 2012-08-31 at 01:21 PM.
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2012-08-31, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Yes, but unless we have a way to pin down Nale's weight, this doesn't help us much. i guess we could look at bare minimums, but unless we know what kind of armor T wears, our estimates are going to be, probably, off by a bit. Minimum height for human male is 5 feet tall, the corresponding weight (at the minimum possibility) is 124lbs. to be able to lift 124 lbs (as your maximum load) you need to have a str score of 12.
See carrying capacity and description pages in SRD for references.
Hmm, if we assume the armor he has on is at least as heavy as breastplate armor (30lbs, the same stuff Roy wears) then you can up T's min Str to 14.
I am guessing breastplate because T is clearly a fighter or fighter variant and therefore probably wears medium armor or heavier gear, since the only medium armor lighter than breastplate is hide armor (which is inferior to breastplate, with a lower max AC bonus) and no one commented on Thog wearing hide armor that we can probably rule it out.Impossible is a biased statement.
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2012-08-31, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
So do we have at least enough information to determine that Tarquin has the Ride skill trained?
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2012-08-31, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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I believe we do. As that specific move he did has a DC of 40, and since his minimum character level is 17 and his minimum DEX score is 13, that would mean that he has at least 20 points in the skill after modifiers are taken into account, or 19 points before the Dexterity modifier is added (20 points before modifiers would indicate him having maxxed out the skill).
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2012-08-31, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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