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2012-08-30, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
I think the real question is, why does Belkar feel the need to leap about 4 feet in the air as part of a coup de grace?
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2012-08-30, 09:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Belkar has been unhappy about his weapon shrinkage since, literally, the first strip. I think it would be six kinds of awesome if he started using Tarkie's axe.
Also, smart call to bail. I don't care how high level you are, going solo against Roy and Belkar, with cleric support and rogue attacks, is a losing play, and fast.Roy Greenhilt: All leaders should aspire to his greatness!
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2012-08-30, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
So we're back onto the gate finding route now.
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2012-08-30, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
His decision to retreat might have been less in terms of self preservation and more in terms of long term planning. He has already shown himself to be willing and able to take on the Order by himself. But he needs Nale and his knowledge of the gates. Belkar was about to kill Nale and the Zz'dtri might have been next to die. Winning the battle but losing the war doesn't fit his profile.
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2012-08-30, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-30, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Not really, without that "suave" clear-instant command to Z Roy and the rest of the gang would have been up their asses way before they could pull it off... and even with that, they still managed to escape only by a narrow margin.
I'm sorry, but the fog curtain "luckily" disappearing on the very same round Tarquin's "lucky" ability to communicate non-verbally to (lucky!) specifically the drow race crosses way too high the line to me.
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2012-08-30, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Uh oh -- they seem to have forgotten someone... Mallack is NOT going to be pleased.
Oh and as for teleport -- it isnt all that hard to make it not a battlefield option -- just make it take 10 combat rounds to cast.Last edited by silvadel; 2012-08-30 at 10:43 PM.
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2012-08-30, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Well....
Maybe. But we have seen these combatants before, and both Roy and Belkar were getting hits with regularity. Assuming Roy is hitting for 50-odd points per swing and he gets three swings a round, all it takes is for the dice to roll in his favor one round, and it's all over.
Do we have any idea what level of damage Belkar does? Even Roy notes that he is a capable warrior, and we've just seen how hard Roy can hit.
Haley is probably putting out ranged damage that's fairly close to what Roy generates, as well. (+5 bow, stat adds say +1, supporting feats to boost damage/accuracy adds +4 each, 4 shots per round at 1d6+10)
No matter how high level he is, I doubt Tarkie has more than 160 hitpoints or so.
Assuming the Order has level-appropriate items (not directly supported in canon but a reasonable assumption, I guess, since we have seen them buying...stuff), that's getting to be a solid wall of damage, and best avoided no matter who you are.Roy Greenhilt: All leaders should aspire to his greatness!
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2012-08-30, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Those who most probably are going to use the axe are Belkar or Durkon. Roy will not abandon his family sword, and others in the party simply do not have the proficiency in wielding two-handed weapons.
But I think that none of them will use the axe for battle. Perhaps Haley will just put it to her Bag of Holding (or whatever is the bag's name) for later.
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2012-08-30, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
If he couldn't think of a way to communicate that clearly with hand gestures — and I can think of at least three — all he had to do was lean in close and mouth "Teleport!" If he had time to mention Kilkil, he would've had time to spell "teleport" with his fingers. Sure, there might be some slight chance of miscommunication, but not as great compared to the chance of Zz'd'tri's spell fizzling.
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2012-08-30, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
While I know the D&D rule related jokes are far less common now, and reliance on them even less so, I wonder if:
SpoilerNale will be dead by the time Tarquin and company finish teleporting to wherever they are or die shortly afterwords, due to being in negative hp and failing saves to stop said dying.
A semi wild guess but who knows...
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2012-08-30, 11:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Fun comic - meets the high standards :) I had forgotten that Kilkil was tarquin's accountant, too.
Tarquin is pretty damn tough. I mean - the order keeps inconveniencing Xykon, even killing him once. Nothing they do seems to actually effect Tarquin, though. That seems a little odd. How powerful IS he?
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2012-08-30, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-30, 11:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks Giant!
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2012-08-30, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Haha, Tarquin still talking to us, his audience, while making an escape. A fine night for everyone indeed
SpoilerLike a Ring of regeneration?
At any rate, how is Nale dying a joke?
I like to think he's a Level 20 multiclass fighter (or a single-class fighter with really good feats). I think it accounts for everything we've seen so far.Last edited by rockdeworld; 2012-08-30 at 11:48 PM.
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2012-08-30, 11:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
It looks like Tarquin's a cunning linguist, one way or another....
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2012-08-31, 12:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Not that I know anything about Drow, but the importance of sign language or hand talk is entirely up to the culture that produces it. As I understand it, many of the different Native American cultures had well developed sign language that wasn't necessarily taught just to help communicate with the non-hearing.
Which makes Tarquin's little quip about Nale talking to hear himself talk even more funny.Last edited by Sethram; 2012-08-31 at 12:48 AM. Reason: Fusion-HA!
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2012-08-31, 01:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
What I'm addressing here is not fizzling, but overly convenient efficiency.
Could he have used some more common hand gestures?
Sure, and by the time Z understood+enacted the order, the entire Order would have been up their asses.
Could he have shouted in his hear?
Sure, and by doing that Roy would have realized his intentions and immediately run there pummeling.
By using a specific non-verbal drow code (I mean, really?) he not only conveyed his order perfectly within a second, but effectively cut up Roy and everyone else from understanding it before they banded together for the teleport.
Given how even with all the above they still barely escaped, it's no stretch to say that T's "lucky" ability effectively saved the team.
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2012-08-31, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-31, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-31, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-31, 01:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
Re: Malack left behind--we don't know where they've teleported to, they might have gone back to the entrance of the pyramid and will make haste to rejoin him! I would be surprised if Tarquin intended to leave this fight for longer than it takes for everyone to recover their hearing.
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2012-08-31, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
It would not have taken any longer to mouth the word "Teleport", or to point at Zz'd'tri and make a "Get us out of here" gesture or two, than it did to convey two complete sentences in Drow sign language (and in Common — he was talking about bec de corbins and curvy Drow maidens in the same amount of time). The sign language just allowed him to do it in style.
Here's an experiment: Time how long it takes you to say those two sentences, about the bec de corbin and so on. Then try to silently communicate the word "Teleport" or "Get us out of here" in the same amount of time or less. I bet it won't be that hard...even if you don't know Drow sign language.
Good point. Doing it this way, Roy couldn't possibly say "Durkon! They're going to teleport!" in the next panel.
I think you're missing the joke. Back in the day, everybody who could learned Drow sign language, because it was Kewl. It's not any kind of a stretch to say that a random old-school character sheet from the time immediately following the release of Unearthed Arcana would have Drow sign language written on it. For a while, that was as common as a 17 comeliness.Last edited by jere7my; 2012-08-31 at 02:12 AM.
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2012-08-31, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
They... defeated the Linear Guild??
Curb-Stomped them? Using a plan that actually worked? Stood their ground instead of running away? Didn't need Lawyers and Loopholes?
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2012-08-31, 02:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #862 - The Discussion Thread
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