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2012-11-23, 04:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, pretty much... it would have been a pretty good dramatic scene but apparently... people are not allowed to die on-screen in FT either. (Okay, I'm sure I'm forgetting something here)
Sorry but NO, it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. He was clearly engulfed in Lava he should be effing dead. Apart from how it could have been a better scene somehow it doesn't make sense unless FT lava is not what we think of as lava. This really bugs me.
Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.
Well, we'll see how easily FT disposes of the kingdom elite in the next month or so I guess.
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2012-11-23, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.
And i do belive that one of the reasons for why that tension is alive, is that once in a while the strawhats does not in fact win, but instead gets stomped, like how we saw early in Zorro's fight against Mihawk, or Luffy's first meeting with Smoker.
So let me get this straight: "Lucy never has access to her keys, it's so dumb!" Promptly followed by "Lucy has access to her keys, it's so dumb!"
Whats stupid is how Lucy constantly manage to LOSE her keys, and whats bad with the current chapter is how a perfectly good heroic sacrifice was ruined
Seriously, this isn't Bleach. There's plenty to enjoy about Fairy Tail. (the guildmaster's premonition was priceless. )
I disagree. I think Hiro is able to create tension, like, this chapter was pretty tense because I really thought the guy was dead. But Hiro just doesn't want tension in FT it seems to me. He deliberately ruins every tension he creates or could create because he doesn't want FT to be serious but just fun and action. Of course it's up to personal preference but I feel Hiro would be able to make FT much more dramatic, he just doesn't want to.
Well, we'll see how easily FT disposes of the kingdom elite in the next month or so I guess.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-23, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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I find it funny that we have all these heroic moments for squarenose, how he's trying to save our heroes and how he's sacraficinf himself to save them, when he's probably the villian.
Like, I'm calling this right now. He's actually the villian.
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2012-11-23, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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If it was real lava, they would all have been dead including the caster. Since they were clearly never treating it as real lava, I have no problem with the chapter. Loki being able to easily retrieve the keys gives me hope for Lucy's future as a competent fighter, and yeah, square nose guy is morally ambiguous enough he needs to stick around.
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2012-11-23, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Like, I'm calling this right now. He's actually the villian.
If it was real lava, they would all have been dead including the caster. Since they were clearly never treating it as real lava, I have no problem with the chapter.
Loki being able to easily retrieve the keys gives me hope for Lucy's future as a competent fighter, and yeah, square nose guy is morally ambiguous enough he needs to stick around.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-23, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree I don't believe he is the actual villian. I do expect the Eclipse plan to be activated though, wether it goes as smoothly as thought is something to be seen.
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2012-11-23, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-24, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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And I would agree, a summoner's summons being competent and being able to overcome the summoner's main weakness makes the summoner more competent.
Loki isnt even acting as a summon atm, he is in his guardian angel role atm, having steppet in though his own magic.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-30, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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YES!!!!!!
SpoilerFinally, we see that celestial magic isn't useless. and natsu, hwo I love you, let me count the ways: 1 fire uppercut, 2 ironfist fire punch thingie, 3witty comments on how bad the enemy is (and so on).
OK, silliness aside, I liked this chapter. A lot. the fight between Lucy (and friends) and the fisherman was most interesting anyway, so... yeah, glad to see that that got screentime. One thing (lampshaded btw) Why in the name of Acnologia lose Pisces power when immersed in water? Why? why! what stupid reasoning is this?
good to see aquarius actually doing something for Lucy for a change... also panterlily is awesome. he's a good cat for Gajeel.
Wendy shows us that despite her role as support she really is a DS What was it they say on TvTropes? Beware the nice ones?, damn straight it is.
Oh, and before I forget, Mirajane is awesome and I'd like to see her pounded on her beserkbutton so she wipes the floor with a big bad sometime... I'd totally love to see that (or even better Lisanna, Elfman and Mirajane all three wipe the floor with someone, make it a family affair )
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2012-11-30, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI...ok, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think Pisces is a Wind element zodiac sign, not water as you'd expect, so maaaybe water just reverts them into their weak fish forms, instead of their super awesome forms? I don't know, it's still ridiculous.
I do love how Wendy is basically "I'm a white mage, you can't hurt me with status effects. But at the same time I'm also REALLY AWESOME BOOOOM!"
I love Wendy.
I do like how everyone seems to be "fighting" the person who they're best able to beat. Between them the summoners completely shut down his terrain effects, Panterlilly's hide is as strong as steel (and as pokemon tells us, steel is immune to poison like acid), Wendy is fighting someone who actually can't even hurt her, period (and grass is weak to flying types), Marijene is fighting someone who COULD be a challange, if not for the fact that she's fighting Marijene, and Natsu is fighting a loser and Natsu always fights losers because Natsu always wins.
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2012-11-30, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nope. Pisces is a Water-sign in the Zodiac. Interestingly enough, Aquarius is an Air-sign. Aires, Leo, and Saggitarius are fire. Virgo, Capricorn, and Taurus are earth. Gemini, Aquarius, and Libra are air. Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces are water.
As for the chapter itself...
SpoilerThat was disappointing. Tai VS the summoners was the only battle I actually liked, and even that was cut short.
I don't think the guy Natsu fought even had any magic.
Fairy Tail should really work on its pacing. It's like the series sets up these great fights, then realizes it's going over budget and rushes through the climaxes.
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2012-11-30, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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So another set up fight of epic proportions that is cut short as fast as possible as a curb-stomp for Fairy Tail
Yeah that's pretty much this manga.
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2012-11-30, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is not Pokemon
But yeah, good chapter. I can see khaine ranting already but before he arrives...
The first fight was actually won by luck and strategy. Pisces is a pretty interesting summon, I guess... Mother and Son who turn into fishes... But having a gravity controller to counter the attack was handy. And pulling out Aquarius worked well enough to counter the counter... I still find it weird how Aquarius always is Lucy's trump card.
I didn't like Lily's fight... So he is immune to acid because... he got hit by Gajeel's steel fist? Nope, won't work for me.
Wendy was good, just as Zodiac said. Don't try to poison the white mage.
And Mirahane... it just keeps bugging me that we will probably never learn how powerful she actually is.
Natsu's fight though was entirely dissappointing. We didn't see anything his opponent could do.
Overall... yeah, it is kind of weird how anti-climatic FT handles their "epic battöes" but I guess one should be used to it by now.
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2012-11-30, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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So another set up fight of epic proportions that is cut short as fast as possible as a curb-stomp for Fairy Tail
Yeah that's pretty much this manga.
I've pretty much lost all interest in the fight scenes now.
Finally, we see that celestial magic isn't useless.
But yeah, good chapter. I can see khaine ranting already but before he arrives...
The first fight was actually won by luck and strategy. Pisces is a pretty interesting summon, I guess... Mother and Son who turn into fishes... But having a gravity controller to counter the attack was handy. And pulling out Aquarius worked well enough to counter the counter... I still find it weird how Aquarius always is Lucy's trump card.
And Mirahane... it just keeps bugging me that we will probably never learn how powerful she actually is.
Overall... yeah, it is kind of weird how anti-climatic FT handles their "epic battöes" but I guess one should be used to it by now.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-30, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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While at this point I hold no delusions about convincing on the benefits of celestial spirit magic, especially when Lucy does admittedly get the short end of the narrative stick a lot in this manga, I must question your math.
4 FT members?
I count 2 summoners, only one of which is FT. Loki shouldn't really count as separate since, being Leo, he's effectively part of Lucy's arsenal. The imperial guy certainly doesn't count unless you think nearly dying and remaining comatose constitutes another person (even then he's not FT).
You aren't counting the cats, are you? Because they're moral support at best, and they don't count for giving Tai the credit of "fighting 4 on 1."
There were so many ways this fight could've been better if it was drawn out a little bit. What could've been some real strategy between twoPokemon trainerscelestial spirit summoners ended up really being lucky breaks. (Seriously, Tai's reaction to fighting fish-people is a water spell? And it works?)
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2012-11-30, 06:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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4 FT members?
I count 2 summoners, only one of which is FT. Loki shouldn't really count as separate since, being Leo, he's effectively part of Lucy's arsenal. The imperial guy certainly doesn't count unless you think nearly dying and remaining comatose constitutes another person (even then he's not FT).
I only count him as a part of Lucy's power when he is summoned by him, else i count him as a FT mage. Still i didnt count him in on the 1 vs 4 at all, since he didnt really do anything there.
You aren't counting the cats, are you? Because they're moral support at best, and they don't count for giving Tai the credit of "fighting 4 on 1."thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-30, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-30, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-01, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Still annoyed at how Natsu's fight went. Hey, here's a guy who's kinda cool looking. We don't see what his magic does, because Natsu won all over his face.
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2012-12-01, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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The word rival really isn't a good indicator... and then Erza's power itself is hard to determine at times.
So we got a new episode that handled Lucy vs Flare well enough except we still don't know why she didn't just obliterate her using Cancer the whole time or why Asuka's parents and the whole guild is so neglectful. (and we didn't get any more fanservice than in the manga... and Flare is still preeeeeetty crazy)
And we got a new OVA! With everything you'd want out of an FT OVA. Fanservice, fanservice, fanservice!
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But who the **** gives a girl like Wendy alcohol? First Master is bad master... Anyway, overall it was quite funny and entertaining.
Quite a bit of LuNa shipping there, which I really don't mind even though I slightly favor the rival ship.
But wasn't that "Natsu and Happy's house" thing done already? Or was it only in the manga yet? It felt like I saw it already.
And, you know, I like Gajeel and Levi but... I just can't over the fact that their relationship started by Gajeel nearly killing her! What the hell, Hiro?
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2012-12-01, 05:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can't recall the last time Lucy actually summoned Loki. He definitely counts as a part of her power though. If it weren't for her he wouldn't be alive.
Sorry, but thats just silly, Loki is a independet entity, and he was a member of Fairy Tail long before he gave Lucy his key.
And while the cats help out in some fights, they didn't really do anything in this one.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-12-01, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-02, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Because her saving him reconnected him with the celestial spirit world and she now holds the key.
Its one thing when Lucy summons Leo, he is then a extension of her will, and she uses her magic to substain and argument his present on the physical world. But when Leo act independently he should also be counted as a independent entity.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-12-03, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Because the whole point of summoning magic is utilizing the strength you gain from the loyalty of your spirits. Leo wouldn't fight as well, or work as hard to be present in her battles if he didn't support her (just look at Aquarius.) Leo has the power to jump from world to world without his key, that does not exclude him from Lucy's line up when he fights on her behalf (and indeed, when he fights away from her, so long as he's in this world.)
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2012-12-03, 03:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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though, to be honest my favorite celestial spirit is Capricorn. he's funny, witty and sarcastic (and hideously strong , he even survived a run-in with natsu for some time)
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2012-12-03, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Because the whole point of summoning magic is utilizing the strength you gain from the loyalty of your spirits. Leo wouldn't fight as well, or work as hard to be present in her battles if he didn't support her (just look at Aquarius.) Leo has the power to jump from world to world without his key, that does not exclude him from Lucy's line up when he fights on her behalf (and indeed, when he fights away from her, so long as he's in this world.)
The rest is a matter of being liked, but thats nothing to do with magic, or else the entire Fairy Tail guild would count as Lucy's power, since they all liked her enough to fight it out with Phantom lords for her sake.
But unless Lucy actualy does something with her magical power, then it should not count AS her magical power.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-12-03, 03:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-03, 05:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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