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    ...visit the Oracle? If he does enough prediction that it is a viable business for him, there must be at least some public knowledge about his abilities and location. Why wouldn't Redcloak, the ultimate bookworm, know about this and head there for the information he needs on the Gate?
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    Oracle gets info from Tiamat, who, as a deity, is busy enforcing an information blackout re: the Snarl and Gates.
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    Xykon already tried him, he was conveniently out. Can't find the comic so I forget the verbage but I'm guessing he'd do the same thing for Redcloak . . . Rich doesn't want to give us (or them) that info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incom View Post
    Oracle gets info from Tiamat, who, as a deity, is busy enforcing an information blackout re: the Snarl and Gates.
    ... You know, I never even thought of that. Huh.

    Well, I guess that answers that - Tiamat doesn't want to be party to her own destruction.

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    "Let's see, you have a plan to take control of a gate holding back the Snarl, so your deity can blackmail mine. Try and guess if I want to help you with that."
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    Theoretically, the Oracle must have knowledge of their plans, because Xykon tried to consult him, and he chose to avoid the lich.

    With this knowledge, a worshiper of Tiamat might feel obliged to inform Tiamat of this. Still, I wonder if the Oracle's Kobold heritage has him rooting for Redcloak's success, or just to choose not to get too involved. The Oracle didn't seem overly upset about the saviours of the world leaving with misleading info during their first visit.

    The Oracle seems more than a sideline character. Very knowledgeable, can communicate with ghosts, and can prepare in advance against threats. If he chose to get involved one way or another, he'd be very fearsome.

    And on the poster, the Oracle is drawn quite large, so I suspect we will be seeing him again.
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    I think the oracle was out for another reason, not because he knows about the plan and didn't want to help.

    Think: What does Xykon do when someone tells him something that he doesn't want to hear?
    Hint: It starts with M and ends with eteor Swarm.

    Or even easier: The oracle knew he wouldn't be there, for whatever reason, and so he made sure not to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry the 57th View Post
    ...visit the Oracle? If he does enough prediction that it is a viable business for him, there must be at least some public knowledge about his abilities and location. Why wouldn't Redcloak, the ultimate bookworm, know about this and head there for the information he needs on the Gate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coineineagh View Post
    And on the poster, the Oracle is drawn quite large, so I suspect we will be seeing him again.
    RE: The Oracle's Location on the Poster: Don't read too much into it.

    Courtesy of the Index of the Giant's Comments Thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    RE: The Oracle's Location on the Poster: Don't read too much into it.

    Courtesy of the Index of the Giant's Comments Thread.
    He says in the same post that the Oracle is the most important, non-good character that's the same size as Belkar. He is important, he's just not necessarily evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coineineagh View Post
    Still, I wonder if the Oracle's Kobold heritage has him rooting for Redcloak's success.
    Another possibility is that his Oracular powers informed him that The Dark One isn't entirely on the up-and-up, and that the Plan would probably doom the world, and the resentful pantheon will feed the Dark One into the Snarl. Furthermore, all the gods were supposed to be involved in the creation of the EXP Fodder races. Why does Tiamat promote clerics and oracles instead of just letting her non-fodder followers to scrape some EXP out of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogwarts9876 View Post
    He says in the same post that the Oracle is the most important, non-good character that's the same size as Belkar. He is important, he's just not necessarily evil.
    No, that's not what that said. The "important" bit of the sentence is not what it's about.

    He's the most important non-good character the same size of Belkar.

    How many other small sized characters are there?
    The gnome Belkar killed
    The three kobolds of the LG that Belkar killed
    Leeky Windstaff the druid that left the LG after Cliffport

    That's really all I can remember. Goblins aren't small sized.
    Tarquin's accountant hadn't been introduced at that time yet.

    So it really only left the Oracle. But reading any importance into it is pretty far fetched. He's more important than Leeky or the dead guys, but thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morquard View Post
    Tarquin's accountant hadn't been introduced at that time yet.
    Actually, Kilkil is also on the poster. But that's not the point, since he is nowhere near as important as the Oracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morquard View Post
    Leeky Windstaff the druid that left the LG after Cliffport
    Huh. For some reason I was certain that Leeky was medium-sized... weird.

    Plus, you forgot 'Kaboom' Redaxe :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by coineineagh View Post
    Still, I wonder if the Oracle's Kobold heritage has him rooting for Redcloak's success, or just to choose not to get too involved.
    Remind me again why kobolds would support Redcloak's plan? I thought Redcloak's constituency was the goblinoids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oppyu View Post
    Huh. For some reason I was certain that Leeky was medium-sized... weird.

    Plus, you forgot 'Kaboom' Redaxe :p
    Leeky was a gnome, and thus small-sized. "Kaboom" Redaxe was a dwarf, and thus medium-sized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    Leeky was a gnome, and thus small-sized. "Kaboom" Redaxe was a dwarf, and thus medium-sized.
    In my defence, I've never played this weird game before, so I have no way of knowing that dwarves are medium but slightly shorter gnomes are small -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morquard View Post
    No, that's not what that said. The "important" bit of the sentence is not what it's about.

    He's the most important non-good character the same size of Belkar.

    How many other small sized characters are there?
    The gnome Belkar killed
    The three kobolds of the LG that Belkar killed
    Leeky Windstaff the druid that left the LG after Cliffport

    That's really all I can remember. Goblins aren't small sized.
    Tarquin's accountant hadn't been introduced at that time yet.

    So it really only left the Oracle. But reading any importance into it is pretty far fetched. He's more important than Leeky or the dead guys, but thats it.
    Sorry, didn't realise this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oppyu View Post
    In my defence, I've never played this weird game before, so I have no way of knowing that dwarves are medium but slightly shorter gnomes are small -_-
    The tag on Durkon's armour lists its size as medium.

    (Yes I am aware this is a very obscure thing to reference considering it was in the first 50 or so strips.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morquard View Post
    I think the oracle was out for another reason, not because he knows about the plan and didn't want to help.

    Think: What does Xykon do when someone tells him something that he doesn't want to hear?
    Hint: It starts with M and ends with eteor Swarm.
    That by itself would not be a reason for the Oracle to avoid Xykon. After all, the Oracle knew Belkar was going to stab and kill him, and he didn't avoid Belkar because of that.

    It's what happens after that: zombification. If Xykon takes away his body, the clerics can't rez him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtilque View Post
    That by itself would not be a reason for the Oracle to avoid Xykon. After all, the Oracle knew Belkar was going to stab and kill him, and he didn't avoid Belkar because of that.

    It's what happens after that: zombification. If Xykon takes away his body, the clerics can't rez him.
    Not to mention the fact that Xykon can cast Soul Bind.

    I'd say that one reason Redcloak doesn't meet with the Oracle is because the Oracle enjoys giving most people useless answers and would thus be a waste of money and time. Besides, what is he even supposed to ask? "Where is Xykon's phylactery"? He's too busy with other matters. The phylactery will show up when it needs to. "Will the plan I sacrificed my brother and countless innocent goblins for actually work"? He is not going to risk an answer he doesn't want to hear. "Where are the gates"? Xykon's got that one covered. "How can I best achieve The Plan" or "How can I bypass the defences around Girard's gate"? Those questions are too broad and guaranteed to recieve useless answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morquard View Post
    He's more important than Leeky or the dead guys, but thats it.
    Also, Rich said not being affiliated with Xykon or the Linear Guild was a plus, which means being affiliated with the Linear Guild was a minus for Yikyik, Leeky, and Yokyok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaScribe View Post
    "Where is Xykon's phylactery"?
    Your other estimates are right but at least that question would yield a useful answer: "In your pocket!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Your other estimates are right but at least that question would yield a useful answer: "In your pocket!"
    No, you got the riddle the wrong way around - It should be 'what's in my pocket'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhailangelo View Post
    No, you got the riddle the wrong way around - It should be 'what's in my pocket'!
    Redcloak: "Where is Xykon's amulett?"
    Oracle: "In your pocket."

    The purpose here is two-fold:
    First, to point out that asking that (suggested) question would be pointless as Redcloak already knows that answer.
    Second, I reference this strip: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0095.html

    How your/Bilbo's version fits my post better is what I do not get.
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    Why would he ask after the phylactery after he had found it? Obviously if he was going to ask for that, he'd ask before it was found, to make finding it easier.
    However he might have figured if he can't locate it with magic a stupid oracle can't either.

    Asking ANYTHING about the Plan might tip off the wrong people/deities to the Dark Ones plan.

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