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    I feel confidant that no one else is dumb enough to do what I'm doing.
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    I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've got a dumb idea too.
    aw, man, my idea's pretty dumb too. I hope we don't all end up doing the same thing.
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    aw, man, my idea's pretty dumb too. I hope we don't all end up doing the same thing.
    Man, that would be dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menteith View Post
    I feel confidant that no one else is dumb enough to do what I'm doing.
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    I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've got a dumb idea too.
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    aw, man, my idea's pretty dumb too. I hope we don't all end up doing the same thing.
    Well, that makes threefour of us, because guess who else has a dumb idea?
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    Huh... I was having a lot of trouble coming up with anything remotely original for this (I love this class, but all of the decent options just seemed painfully obvious to me), but I just had a pretty cool idea. Time to crack open some books and see if I can get this one to work out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    Well, that makes threefour of us, because guess who else has a dumb idea?
    Dang. I'm glad I'm not submitting anything, because my best idea is also extraordinarily dumb. Now I'm just getting excited to see how many flavors of dumb crop out of this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    Well, that makes threefour of us, because guess who else has a dumb idea?
    Me? Who told you?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMG PONIES View Post
    Me? Who told you?!
    I guarantee my idea is dumber than any of yours. I absolutely guarantee it. Now I just need to decide if I want complete incongruity that can be explained well by story, or just be kinda weird...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Careless View Post
    I guarantee my idea is dumber than any of yours. I absolutely guarantee it. Now I just need to decide if I want complete incongruity that can be explained well by story, or just be kinda weird...
    go for it. I made a half-ogre who rides around on an elephant and throws flaming pumpkins at people and wrote eight haikus for his backstory. almost got HM too. if you have a fun idea, you should submit it.
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    How telling is it that people would rather discuss the taxonomy of tomatoes (which are delicious) than the truenamer class?
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    Well, I just submitted my first Iron Chef build. I have a sinking feeling that I somehow butched the formatting/could have the fluff better/am going to lose based on something other than the build. Is this normal?

    Also, I can't tell whether or not my [REDACTED][REDACTED][REDACTED][REDACTED], a [REDACTED] to the [REDACTED] is brilliant, dumb, or awesome. Time will tell, I guess...

    EDIT: Being unable to discuss the build will not help anything, I take it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    go for it. I made a half-ogre who rides around on an elephant and throws flaming pumpkins at people and wrote eight haikus for his backstory. almost got HM too. if you have a fun idea, you should submit it.
    I loved that one, especially because of the trick where you used the shadowdancer's HiPS ability to hide in your own mount's shadows. It inspired me to write up a mini-supermount build using the Shadow Cloak pally sub levels for a whisper gnome who beefed up his riding dog, hid in its shadow, and used Mounted Combat to negate any hits on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMofDarkness View Post
    Well, I just submitted my first Iron Chef build. I have a sinking feeling that I somehow butched the formatting/could have the fluff better/am going to lose based on something other than the build. Is this normal?
    Yes. I remember submitting my Dragon Disciple entry (which finished one spot away from placing), and immediately regretting not spending more time on it.
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    A simple tip:

    If you're worried about your formatting, pm the build to yourself before pm'ing it to the chairman. That way you can check that the formatting is right before you submit the build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    Well, that makes threefour of us, because guess who else has a dumb idea?
    Just about everyone I think, I'm personally torn between 2 dumb ideas... (and I won't submit both)
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    Due to IRL time constraints, I'm going to have to judge instead. I'll post up a criteria shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    I loved that one, especially because of the trick where you used the shadowdancer's HiPS ability to hide in your own mount's shadows. It inspired me to write up a mini-supermount build using the Shadow Cloak pally sub levels for a whisper gnome who beefed up his riding dog, hid in its shadow, and used Mounted Combat to negate any hits on it.
    well! high praise coming from the guy who always wins. thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed that trick, I was especially proud of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelb_Panthera View Post
    A simple tip:

    If you're worried about your formatting, pm the build to yourself before pm'ing it to the chairman. That way you can check that the formatting is right before you submit the build.
    an easier way is to use the "preview post" function on either an unrelated thread or a PM to yourself. posts have a 50k character limit, while PMs have a 25k one, so if it says it's too long in a PM, try to just preview post in an unrelated thread (in case you accidentally click submit, you can delete it without tipping your hand)
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    How telling is it that people would rather discuss the taxonomy of tomatoes (which are delicious) than the truenamer class?
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    I currently have a wonderful 21 level build. Cutting it down to 20 levels makes it much less awesome. Frowntowns. This is what I get for reading through my collection and finding something I desperately want in the build, instead of just leaving my mostly done entry alone. Well, still have plenty of time to figure out a way to make this work.
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    Well my level build is done, just needs fluff and some example levels now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by only1doug View Post
    Well my level build is done, just needs fluff and some example levels now.
    I really enjoy writing the "snapshots" for sample levels. it really helps you to go through all the build's abilities and tricks for the judges
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    I realize this is slightly off topic- is one of the ToB prestige classes likely? Obviously not windicator or JPM, but maybe Deepstone Sentinel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menteith View Post
    I currently have a wonderful 21 level build. Cutting it down to 20 levels makes it much less awesome. Frowntowns. This is what I get for reading through my collection and finding something I desperately want in the build, instead of just leaving my mostly done entry alone. Well, still have plenty of time to figure out a way to make this work.
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    I realize this is slightly off topic- is one of the ToB prestige classes likely? Obviously not windicator or JPM, but maybe Deepstone Sentinel?
    The Chairman has said a few times that only Shadow Sun Ninja would make a good SI, and will probably be on hold until our trigger-happiness for fear stacking cools down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFLS View Post
    I realize this is slightly off topic- is one of the ToB prestige classes likely? Obviously not windicator or JPM, but maybe Deepstone Sentinel?
    What Kazyan said. I think Deepstone Sentinel was ruled out (only) because it's only 5 levels long.

    Same with Bloodclaw Master.

    Eternal Blade and Bloodstorm Blade, on the other hand, are probably just too strong, like JPM and RKV.

    Master of Nine probably too easy to use well and only 5 levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draz74 View Post
    What Kazyan said. I think Deepstone Sentinel was ruled out (only) because it's only 5 levels long.

    Same with Bloodclaw Master.

    Eternal Blade and Bloodstorm Blade, on the other hand, are probably just too strong, like JPM and RKV.

    Master of Nine probably too easy to use well and only 5 levels.
    Isn't Bloodstorm Blade generally considered not worth taking for all 10 levels, though?
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    IIRC it is because the class is too front-loaded, I guess if the relevant abilities were more spreaded out many people would take it to 10.
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    Isn't Bloodstorm Blade generally considered not worth taking for all 10 levels, though?
    The important stuff is in levels 1-4, but the other abilities are still quite nice. It really does seem just a bit too good for IC.

    It is, notably, the only PrC in ToB that doesn't increase your initiator level. It gets the standard 1/2 for non-adept classes as PrC's and classes from other books.
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    You know, having to build it 1-20 and filling that table is such a hassle. In the first contests you cold just present the build at 3 different points in the progression... why did this change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiagoMartell View Post
    You know, having to build it 1-20 and filling that table is such a hassle. In the first contests you cold just present the build at 3 different points in the progression... why did this change?
    Because this makes it harder to fudge stuff and easier to judge.

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    Oh man, I've got an idea so stupid that I feel compelled to piece something together. I don't even care if I get last place, which is good because I probably will.

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    Out of curiosity, whatever happened to the Contestants/Judges/The Builds sections in the OP? Is it just vestigial? The last time I see it used was in the Mindbender competition, which is a bit of a shame... it can be kinda annoying to jump through a thread to try to find the builds, and having links to them would make pairing up judges' comments on builds and the actual builds easier.

    Also, Sgt. Cookie, don't you only need to take 5 ranks in Gather Info/Search/Survival? Or is my book wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMofDarkness View Post
    Also, Sgt. Cookie, don't you only need to take 5 ranks in Gather Info/Search/Survival? Or is my book wrong?
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