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    Who do you think should really have the title, "World's Greatest Detective."

    Keep in mind that This thread is only concerned with Detecting abilites only. I am not concerned with combat prowss, or the amount of resources available to them. If all other things are equal, who has the best mind putting clues together and deducing the facts.

    A small list I can come up with.
    Sherlock Holmes- Obviously
    Batman
    Robert Goren
    Columbo

    If you have any other possible Detectives up for the prize, let me know.

    (Yes, I know that some characters may just be a "Rip off" of certain other characters, but include them anyway since these characters have other characteristics then the source.)

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    "Everyone knows who you are. You're the world's greatest detective."

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    I'd actually go with Mycroft Holmes, he surpasses Sherlock in abilities, but he's just too lazy to go out and be a detective. If he decided to hit the streets he'd win hands down.
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    Only really familiar with Holmes and Batman, and independent of resources I would go with Holmes, who it is established has memorized an obscene amount of information on very trivial things, like tobacco ash. Mind you, as you get away from Late-19th century London, that information becomes increasingly irrelevant as cultural customs change. For example, an encyclopedic knowledge of Tobacco Ash becomes less useful when men stop smoking pipes, and when it becomes increasingly traditional to smoke outside, where evidence of that sort is more easily destroyed, than indoors.
    Of course, he would be behind on even fairly simply techniques, like Fingerprinting, that don't require advanced resources.

    Mind you, if we're going with "PResent them with facts, see who does the best", then the answer would be Mycroft, who is like Min/Maxed Sherlock. More Brilliant than his brother, but too lazy to actually investigate.

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    I'm going to have to downvote Robert Goren. He's a great detective to be sure, but not the World's Greatest.

    As for Batman v Sherlock Holmes, it's kind of a question of your definition of the word "detective". Holmes is absolutely the better detective in terms of rapidly solving mysteries and identifying guilty parties, but Batman is more full-service; he'll also go out and tie the dude up with Bat-Rope and hang him off a skyscraper. I'd personally give it to Holmes, but I can respect the Batman option.
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    I'd vote for L, from Death Note. If you consider the magnitude of the challenge involved, finding a single mass murderer with an untraceable magical means of killing from among billions of potential suspects based on incredible logical deductions and considerable personal bravery, he's his own level of awesome.

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    Dib from Invader Zim

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    Given his near-perfection and habit of seeing through things, I'd have to put a suggestion in for Hercules Poirot. (Especially given that he and Holmes are two of the three characters that serve as the basis for essentially every detective ever, the third being the much more physical Sam Spade.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Water_Bear View Post
    I'm going to have to downvote Robert Goren. He's a great detective to be sure, but not the World's Greatest.
    Also, Goren's a bit like Frank Pemberton--his strongest suit is interrogating a suspect. His style is different than Pemberton's, and outside the interrogation room he's probably a bit better at noticing minor clues than Pemberton is.

    Come to think of it, interrogating the suspect is a big part of Columbo's M.O., too, though his style is even more different from Goren's than Pemberton's is. Basically, Pemberton intimidates suspects, Goren distubs them, and Columbo makes them overconfident. The end result is the same, though--the suspect says the wrong thing and incriminates themselves.

    Best detective though, I'd go with Sherlock.

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    I have to disagree with you on Goren. He only has to interrogate people to get them to confess to the crime. He already knows the hows and whys. Its just that most of the criminals will get away with their nefarious deeds due to lack of evidence.

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    I think I upvote L. Sherlock would tell you what Light's favorite breakfast cereal is, but L would tell you that he actually ate something different today because he ran out of it.
    If not L, then Sherlock.
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    I'd put Sherlock over L, if only because we see more of Sherlock in action. L has like, one big case and references to some smaller ones to the best of my knowledge. Sherlock has a whole freaking library and wealth of information to go off of.

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    It's hard to find a detective that can match Holmes' spirit of observation and analysis' skills, able to notice details and so expert in reading human nature.
    I could name Patrick Jane, aka The Mentalist. (example. Not the best, but still...)
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    What? No love for Peter Death Bredon Wimsey? After all, Wimsey, Holmes and Poirot are the big three in UK Crime Literature.

    Holmes was very good at the swift detection, Wimsey was much better at tracking down the details of a case.
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    Detective Chimp. you said worlds greatest, not human greatest. ;)

    Elongated man is up there too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitten Champion View Post
    I'd vote for L, from Death Note. If you consider the magnitude of the challenge involved, finding a single mass murderer with an untraceable magical means of killing from among billions of potential suspects based on incredible logical deductions and considerable personal bravery, he's his own level of awesome.
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    I'd put Sherlock over L, if only because we see more of Sherlock in action. L has like, one big case and references to some smaller ones to the best of my knowledge. Sherlock has a whole freaking library and wealth of information to go off of.
    I'd put L over Sherlock, myself. Mainly because L really is incredible at deductions, whereas Sherlock mainly does abductions, which is a very different thing.
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    Poirot and Sherlock actually often work differently. Sherlock works like modern CSI, basing his investigation on hard and scientific evidences, while Poirot often work purely on psychological base alone, by mentally analizing eyewitnesses and suspects, and sometimes he even plant fake evidences to corner his suspects.

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    Batman himself has stated more than once that Elongated Man is better than him, so there is that.

    L does seem better than Sherlock. What Sherlock does makes sense in some ways, but L simply looks like he has read the whole manga beforehand. Basically, better writing makes Sherlock look more credible and therefore less skilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezer View Post
    I'd actually go with Mycroft Holmes, he surpasses Sherlock in abilities, but he's just too lazy to go out and be a detective. If he decided to hit the streets he'd win hands down.
    Yes if you change his entire personality he'd be the best. But that's not his personality. So, I'm gonna go no, Sherlock surpasses his brother on this.

    In any case I'd rate them somewhat like this.
    L: haven't read it, but the synapses makes him seem impossibly intelligent
    Sherlock, Batman, Elongated Man: Generally the characters given the title Worlds Greatest Detective in their respective works.
    The Question, Detective Chimp, Poirot, Ms Marple: Great detectives that I'd put just behind the big 4.

    Now who I want to have the title is Sherlock, cause come on he popularized the detective genre.
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    I go with holmes, his powers of observation and encyclopedic knowledge of the most obscure facts, (really, his brain is batmans utility belt) While batman is good at spotting clues, but he then needs to go back to his huge crime lab and spend time figuring everything out. If both of them were at the same scene, batman would abscond with the evidence to do some digging, while holmes would say, "Aha! Come watson! The killer is on lexington and broadway. But he shall be leaving in 20 minutes, so we must hurry!" Then as they dash off to stop the criminal, holmes would go on a 10 minute long rant about how the shape of a bit of scuffing on a freshly polished floor means yadda yadda yadda, and utterly amaze his partner who should really be expecting this sort of thing by now.
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    Sherlock, definitely.

    Columbo? He's no better than 20 other TV detectives.
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    Really, the main flaw with Sherlock Holmes is the tendency for the more "exotic" plot points to be factually dubious. For instance, snakes don't actually drink milk or respond to high-pitched noises, and the Indian swamp adder is completely fictitious. Then you have the occasional reference to physiognomy - sensualist jaws and so forth - which... well, it's just a good thing none of the stories revolve around it. But that aside, I don't believe he's been matched for pure sleuthing lo these 126 years after his inception. Not that I'm complaining about the fictional detectives with different shticks, mind. (Except Miss Marple.)

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    Really, the main flaw with Sherlock Holmes is the tendency for the more "exotic" plot points to be factually dubious.
    To be fair, the original Holmes stories were products of their time and the more esoteric elements don't stand up well to modern scrutiny.

    The BBC remake is much better in that respect, despite their blatant disregard of British gun control laws and some bit ham fisted nods to the original story (scrapings near the winding hole of a pocket watch being changed to scrapings near the charging port on a mobile phone).
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    I wonder what my tendency to miss the keyhole of my apartment says about me? :p

    In my view, the BBC series' biggest problem is that nobody has the basic idea of passwords and encryption that you get from signing up for a free email address. Including the guy who runs a top-secret military base. Well, no, the biggest problem is "Blind Banker", but I've long since stopped hating Thompson for being a bad writer and started hating him for being a good writer, and can comfortably forget that.
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    For some reason, this thread immediately reminded me of the Great Mouse Detective....

    Anywho, I'll +1 L. Isn't he, in that series, the top -3- detectives, to the point where an enemy group hires him to detect himself, letting him play them from both sides? It wasn't until "Guy with God of Death's Book", which is certainly something not normally encountered, appeared that -ANYONE- had even seen him before. Which says a lot, at least to me.

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