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2012-09-30, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Well... it's hard to give advice after Eldariel talks, but I'd go with either Renekton or Nautilus. Renekton because he's an entertaining top who can do well if you know what you're doing, and Nautilus because you're a super jungle tank Big Daddy.
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2012-09-30, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmmmm...
Lulu was one of my first purchases, but I haven't played her much since. She's probably one of the higher-skillcap Supports, given the odd way her Q works, having an AA that's half collision-based, and the flexibility on W and E. Fun, though.
Corki always left me dry, he's one of the least interesting yordles to me.
Nautilus has an awesome voice, Draven has an awesome personality (and counters the ubiquitous Ezrael), and Nocturne has an awesome character design. Wukong and Renekton both spin-to-win IIRC. And Fizz is just... odd. If you're hankering for some Fizz action, nothing else will really scratch that itch IMO.
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2012-09-30, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
I'd go with Fizz or Lulu, since they're basically two champs each due to bruiser/AP Fizz and tanky on-hit/support Lulu.
EDIT: Start of the game, two people say AP Nasus sucks. I tell them that if they give me good arguments as to why, I'll switch to 'normal Nasus'. Diana, our mid, says she thinks so because she can play Nasus.
6/2/4 later, I have the second-most gold in the game (our Trist got insanely fed and had 200 more than me) and deal around 700 damage (pre resistances) with each Q and want to ask her again. She left before I could, though.Last edited by PersonMan; 2012-09-30 at 08:43 AM.
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2012-09-30, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Draven, because how could you not own the title character of the League of Draven?
OR Kha'Zix, jungle/top assassin that has huge spikes in power at 6/11/16
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2012-09-30, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Personally, I've had a lot of fun with Draven and Wukong, and to a lesser degree Renekton:
Being able to win most single AA trades with Q+AA is quite satisfying with Draven, as is simply being able constantly chase someone with his W which resets when he catches an axe, which lands in his path perfectly if he's chasing. Also, the most satsifying feeling in the world is being able to ult across the map and pick up an otherwise escaped kill. also, it's Draaaaven~ Handsomest devil in the league? Handsomest devil in the league. His brother being a close second; dat bulk, dat determinated personality, dat delicious grey streak. >:3
Wukong is so much fun when you manage to be tricksy with him; juking with his clone, pretending to clone, then juking, moving from brush to brush unseen with his clone, etc; the list goes on with the bag of tricks this monkey has. The pure burstiness of his E+Q+R combo is extremely satisfying when you land the R in the middle of their team, then the tricksiness of being able to W away if they turn to focus on you is just aahhn~ He also has one of the best laughs in the League.
Renekton is pretty fun as a lane bully, and his sustain with his Q is really nice; I've only played Riven once or twice, but compared to her sustain, I think I'd prefer the lifesteal to the shield. My only complaint is that he feels more sluggish than he should; his E+W+Q+E away combo feels very unresponsive, doubley so if you try to squeeze in an AA before his W. A fun trick is Eing to a minion, then Eing to the enemy champ for a double dash that not many people keep in mind. Managing his rage adds a fun little element to him as well.
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Yeah, I guess I've just been trying to find an excuse to justify Youmuus; I love the stats it gives, especially the CDR, and the passive really helps when there's a need to chase, but it just feels like it's... not cost effecient, for what it does. Like it should give something extra. I probably wouldn't bother with it, if there were more ArPen and CDR itemisation options for AD casters. Still, I think I'll be happy with an early bruta, and then maybe upgrade it into Youmuus very last, if I ever get that far in a game.
Yeah, again, trying to find an excuse to justify it; I love GP10s on most characters, but Talon doesn't strike as one of them, especially when it gives nothing that he can really utilise.
Ah, thank you! I knew I was forgetting something! I love having an item which basically says "Oh, You bought armour. Lol so?"
I'll have to disagree with you on the TF, though; I get the feeling that it's way more expensive for what it does for Talon, and even with his Q and I have a hard time seeing the passive being utilised well; Talon strikes me as a "Jump in, burst and murder someone, jump out" kinda character, not one who sticks around AAing people for long. Still, I'd have to give it a go in a proper game to see how it is in practice.
About Frozen Mallet, is that I really like having the slow for chasing, and it does have some synergy with his passive. Plus, having at least a little tankiness for a melee assassin like Talon just seems like a smart decision, assuming you still have enough damage output to do your job, i.e. murder the enemy carry/carries in the face.
Yeah, he does feel quite mana hungry, and there times when he doesn't always get blue buff. Plus, there just doesn't seem to be any good mana/mana regen items for him; I guess you could maybe kinda sorta sometimes possibly justify a Frozen Heart with and against very specific teams? Or manamune, I suppose, but that just doesn't sound very good on Talon.
Yeah, I love him on dominion too; his mana issues aren't nearly as bad there, and I find him really good in low-level teamfights, if you dart in and out smartly. I can't see justifying building a GP10 on Dominion though, unless they're useful for the character in question, which it doesn't seem like here. GA would be pretty handy if you get caught out and insta-bursted, and you just mash R like crazy when you get up and run like hell. Not being afraid of dying in a fight would also open a lot of strategies too; I'll try it as a late-game defensive item sometime and see how it works, thanks.
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2012-09-30, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
I tend to usually go Youmuu's+Bruta for Talon, because all that CDR and Arpen is just dandy. I also used to go Shurelia's and use the double actives to enter 'Bullet Time'.
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2012-09-30, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Froggen's playing Cassiopeia with Mercs/Revolver/Tear/Spirit Visage/Guardian Angel. I mean, I get the tanky and revolver, but Tear? Did I miss something or did Cassiopeia suddenly start requiring mana? And Spirit Visage still seems somewhat questionable on a champ who doesn't need CDR...
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2012-09-30, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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ArchAngel's staff, maybe? she can spam her abilities like crazy, so...
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2012-09-30, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's the assumption, but her mana costs aren't that constrictive and and Archangels is mediocre as an AP item since most mages don't want to or can't afford to spend that much gold on mana.
Spirit Visage, yeah, whatever, but Cass' ratio/second conversion is really high so spending that gold on a tear seems suspicious, especially given how strong the secondary effects on most AP items are.
Anyways, that's too many midgame items if he's going for a Mercs/GA build, don't you think? That kind of forces you into void staff, especially given how base damage reliant that build is, and so tear or SV are going to get sold relatively early on if he actually intends to finish Deathcap and Voidstaff.
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2012-09-30, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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What I'm more concerned about is the spirit visage; there are better CDR choices(Athenes, which covers both CDR and mana, plus I can't see how the MR wouldn't be useful, and DFG, off the top of my head), and her only healing is from hextech revolver, combined with almost no AP items... even before getting into the "No AP items" issue, I'm just left wondering; why?
Is this some tank Cass early-game focused build? Only thing I can think of...
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2012-09-30, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spirit Visage is not only a really strong item in general, I think, but it has a lot of synergy with both Revolver and GA for multiple reasons. Not only is a 15% effective increase in your spellvamp and the HP you get from GA proc, but that HP is worth more because of the large amount of armor and MR those four items give you. Athene's does given CDR and MR, but it costs twice as much gold and doesn't significantly improve upon the stats that SV gives you.
Tear isn't a generally strong item and it doesn't have any synergy with the rest of that item build, which leaves me perplexed. The build is unusual in the first place, yeah, but at least it makes some degree of sense.
Not that it really matters, though. The game ended victoriously for a Treads/AA/SV/WotA/GA/Deathcap 14/6/8/294 Froggen.Last edited by ex cathedra; 2012-09-30 at 06:00 PM.
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2012-09-30, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I keep sitting down to play and see my phone... that I installed a GBA emulator on. Speaking of which, team Pokemon needs bot laners, they have two junglers and no carry or support. Why couldn't Kha'Zix be a carry?
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2012-09-30, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-30, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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OMG, that TSM Invitationals Grand Finals Orb vs. Ferus Set Two Game 1; everybody but supports have full builds and even supports are at 4.5 items (so .5 items from finish with the Ward-slot). 60 mins.
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2012-10-01, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I picked up Yorick, so now I have every Pentakill members. (minus Pentakill olaf... Y U NO release Riot!!!)
Found a yorick build on Mobafire that seems to fit in with a support role. (build number 2)
And an AD Sona Guild. Which I haven't tried, and I am not sure I agree with the build order.
Apparently Yorick's ult clone copies the on-hit effect from the champion it is cloned from... so maybe bloodrazor could work..."Winning with friendship means winning at life!"
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2012-10-01, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I'm fairly certain Shaco's clone applies on-hit effects, and I know Leblanc's does, which makes AD Carry/on-hit Leblanc look really fun. Really makes me want to try out AD Lebby, for successful twin-titting! Twin-tits master!
Also, speaking of Leblanc, trying to get used to her sheer amount of combos and tricks, but either fail, or do okay-ish whenever I play her; any tips or tricks to playing here, apart from this advice here? A few things I've learned from this guys videos is:- throw in AAs for extra harassment when possible(e.g. after a Q+W combo, before distort-returning, or AA+Q+AA)
- E procs her sigil twice; once when hitting, and again when the snare goes off; E+Q+R will proc the second sigil if the timing is right.
- Abuse the short cd on her sigil and don't insta-proc it; let it sit for a second or two, then proc it, and by this time your Q will likely be off CD, so you can throw it on them again.
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2012-10-01, 04:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ok I have finally met three AP mid Eves. They knew what they were doing. Very good roaming/ganker with the speed buff letting her run back to mid to prevent a push.
Opposing Eves mainly went tanky (Rylais, RoA, Abyssal). Gets squished fast if done full AP. Not particularly impressive really. Viable I think if top lane has a more bursty AP top, like say Galio or Gragas. She peaks in mid-game
Late game, not really useful imho. Main strength is in enabling snowballing on the other lanes with her ganks to close the game in mid-game stages.
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