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2012-09-26, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Meh, animating is already pricey, but let's try this
20xHDx Rarity(scale of 1-5, 1 being common animal(rat or bird) or common humanoid(average stats), 5 being outsider)
So, let's say you want a normal human body.
20x1x1= 20gp.
On the other hand, a Janni
20x6x5= 600gp
Your elephant
20x11x2= 440gp
I think with a bit of tweaking, the formula could work. Maybe using a 10 instead of 20? That would halve the prices...
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2012-09-26, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Kraken corpse: 20 x 20 x 4 or so, for about 1600. I suppose it depends on how cheap you want corpses to be. It's a bit of a tricky balancing act, since you're spending lots of cash on "disposables" but also turning gold directly into shock troops with a relatively high cap. A mid-level PC can finance a decent undead army.
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2012-09-26, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
To be fair, at low levels, a pack of dogs can be bought with starting gold and rip level appropriate encounters to shreds.
I still like my statue idea.
In a world with very physical gods, be wary of those who commission statues of them.Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-09-26 at 11:04 PM.
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2012-09-27, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Who needs a statue? Just find an outcropping of Rock, Stone to Flesh, then Fabricate it yourself! Save on artisan costs.
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2012-09-27, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-27, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Well, he has a level in Marshall too, if you're talking about Bubs.
I don't think sonofzeal quite addressed getting the Battletitans on a 4th level character's salary though.
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2012-09-27, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2012-09-27, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
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2012-09-27, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Not to mention terribly confusing for your enemies.
I am willing to bet this is why Pathfinder changed it so a statue becomes a compressed meat product instead.
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2012-09-27, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Hang on a minute, you guys; we're not addressing the most important thing here that was, sadly, overlooked.
How in the Nine Hells did he get a backwards "R?"
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2012-09-27, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-09-27 at 05:21 PM.
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2012-09-27, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
And if you use a certain character frequently the "hotkey" is alt+(ascii code on the numpad). ♪ Comprende señor? ♪ ♥
Last edited by ericgrau; 2012-09-27 at 05:43 PM.
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2012-09-27, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Unless you have an insanely high bonus to Craft: Moreaun vivisection, I think it would be easier to craft the rock into a statue of the creature and then cast Stone to Flesh.
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2012-09-27, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-09-27, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Yeah, but that's an 8th level spell. At the levels that becomes available, that goes from 'exploit' to merely 'quite clever'.
Also, some DM might rule (another thing about PaO, it's a very DM sensitive spell) that the intellect is of the creature when it was alive.
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2012-09-27, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
I have yet to see a corpse which has an intellect. However, if your GM decides to pull this, then simply use 'equal size', and be done with it.
Stone to Flesh to create a large quantity of meat. PAO to turn it into an equal sized corpse. Done. I cannot see any GM quibbling over this.
Fabricate also works, since a corpse isn't something you can make with an appropriate Craft check, you don't need one.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-09-27, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-09-27 at 07:10 PM.
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2012-09-27, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-09-27, 10:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-28, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
There's no craft DC for a corpse, because, typically, "crafting" a corpse only involves making an animate creature inanimate.
This looks suspiciously like a case of "I can do it because the rules don't say I can't."
Many a DM will likely say fabricate can't craft a corpse because a corpse isn't a crafted object. It's raw material. At least I would certainly rule it that way.
I'd happily allow you to fabricate a roast or three out of an animal corpse, though.Last edited by Kelb_Panthera; 2012-09-28 at 01:26 AM.
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2012-09-28, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Transmutation, Abjuration and Conjuration can make use of corpses. More realistically however, a person could use said corpses for non-magical scientific purposes, in the same manner that scientists, academics, and doctors can, and have, made use of corpses for thousands of years. It would, for instance, be invaluable for instruction regarding the Heal skill, or the higher ranks of the Knowledge skills (with regards to identifying the strengths, weaknesses, and anatomies of both humanoids and monsters alike). So assuming you don't live in a highly superstitious village that is likely to burn you at the stake for knowing how to heal someone with medicine, "scientific purposes" might well be a reasonable, if somewhat looked down upon, justification. If won't stop the authorities from questioning you if they are specifically looking out for a necromancer, but it can deflect suspicion, especially if your "research" has aided the community in some manner. Besides, it would be highly thematically appropriate for any discerning necromancer to have many ranks in the Heal skill, as well as the various knowledge skills that have creature identification/anatomy as part of their purview.
"If your heart is fearful throw away fear; if there is terror in it throw away terror. Take your axe in your hand and attack. He who leaves the fight unfinished is not at peace." -The Epic of Gilgamesh
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2012-09-28, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
And those same arbitrary DM may rule that PaO doesn't work either.
Going from finicky skill ruling to finicky spell ruling don't sound like no improvement.
Given that many rogue-likes are heavily based on D&D, this is hardly surprising.Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-09-28 at 02:42 AM.
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2012-09-28, 06:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
1. Buy 1 lb of raw animal meat.
2. Use spells Repair ... Damage on it.
3. Voila, now you have a whole corpse!
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2012-09-28, 06:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
The spell description spells out that yes, I can. If the GM doesn't tell me ahead of time "I am changing PaO to prevent what I consider to be a rules exploit" and just dumps this on me after going through the effort to get this on a Dread Necro, I'd probably be tempted to rebut with "Well, your game, your decision. However, I think I'll go find a game where we are actually playing by the rules. Have fun."
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-09-28, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-28, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Ya you'd need some kind of regenerate ability too and that spell only works on creatures. Ressurection could work, but that's a bit expensive. Might be worth it for dragonscale full plate => colossal great wyrm dragon. The hard part is killing it before you raise it.
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2012-09-28, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-28, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
There's a way to do it without casting Fabritcate. Take the Wild Cohort feat and be 16th level or be friends with a 13th level Druid. At that level Druids can choose an Elephant as their animal companion. According to the rules the druid performs a 24 hour ceremony and then receives her animal companion of choice; have her choose elephant.
It arrives and you kill it. No gold expended.
Course there's various fluff disconnects there such as why a druid is willingly sacrificing an elephant to be raised as undead but according to the rules it'll work."We have sent many to Hell, to smooth our way," said I, "and we are standing yet and holding blades. What more?"- Roger Zelazny, This Immortal
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2012-09-28, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Corpses-Я-Us: Or, Buying Dead Bodies For Fun And Profit
Having a way to do it puts an upper limit on the price. If PAO works (and it should) then I can hire a caster for a level 8 spell for 1200 GP, expensive, but no corpse can reasonably cost much more than that since you can hire someone to custom make it for that.
So my 20HD undead animated in a permanent desecrate (lets me do 20 HD at once and gives it an extra 40 HP on top of that) at level 5 is doable within the level 5 character's budget.
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2012-09-29, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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