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2012-10-07, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-08, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-08, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
So long story short, if the Emperor healed and woke up and he gained power from the worship of trillions, the he could pretty much curbstomp just about every threat due his ability to create new space marines at the drop of a hat and has several millennium of lost technology in his head. So entire legions of terminator space marines.
Necrons are little threat.
Orcs could possibly be manipulated via Psy energy but otherwise still die to space marines.
ZergTyranids- Would be dangerous particularly if they ate the Orcs but still vulnerable to space marines.
Tau = no threat even to the broken Imperium
Eldar are busy fighting a civil war so he can help or ignore them.
Chaos would be troublesome as the Emperor's presence would possibly unite the warring factions and chaos would be able to corrupt new space marines thus gaining any new technology he would equip his new legions.Last edited by LordShotGun; 2012-10-08 at 11:35 AM.
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2012-10-08, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-08, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
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2012-10-08, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-08, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
The Ordos Chronos is an actual backstory element of 40k. However you already know basically the totality of what has been printed. There was an Inquisitorial Order being set up to deal with threats to the Chronological Integrity of the Imperium. Then it mysteriously vanished. Super successful or super unsuccessful? Nobody knows.
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2012-10-08, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
The 5E Necron book does allow for C'tan shards having evaded the Necrons- could be four, could be four thousand, no-one knows for sure.
For the creature in Mechanicum to be a "shard" rather than a complete C'tan, does downgrade the Emperor's achievement somewhat- but not necessarily that much. Even the shards are pretty powerful.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2012-10-08, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
So long story short, if the Emperor healed and woke up and he gained power from the worship of trillions, the he could pretty much curbstomp just about every threat due his ability to create new space marines at the drop of a hat and has several millennium of lost technology in his head. So entire legions of terminator space marines.
Necrons are little threat.
Orcs could possibly be manipulated via Psy energy but otherwise still die to space marines.
Zerg Tyranids- Would be dangerous particularly if they ate the Orcs but still vulnerable to space marines.
Tau = no threat even to the broken Imperium
Eldar are busy fighting a civil war so he can help or ignore them.
To start with we have no idea if, or evidence off that the emperor would or does gain power from being worshipped, and its something that i find higly unlikely seing as that should then have motivated him to start the emperiel cult proberly while he were mobile.
As for the creation of hordes of new marines, or for that matter tons of lost technologi then i also find that highly unlikely that the emperor flawlesly remember or knows that technology without the assistance of those scientiests that where part of the original creation of marines.
Also, Necrons to start with would continue being a huge threat due to still being far more advanced than the empire, and they killed or enslaved the C'tan, there are no reason to belive the emperor could not suffer the same fate due to bad luck or judgement (more of same then )
And yes Orks die to space Marines, unfortunately Space Marines also die to enough Orks, and there are a lot of Orks.
Tyranids, same as Orks but worse, since the more powerfull kinds can take a Marine (or an entire team of them), 1 on 1.
Tau and Eldar i agree on doesnt have the numbers to pose a real threat, though its Tau who has a few problems with a brewing civil war, not the Eldar.
For the creature in Mechanicum to be a "shard" rather than a complete C'tan, does downgrade the Emperor's achievement somewhat- but not necessarily that much. Even the shards are pretty powerful.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-08, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
I've not found a Newcron reference to the Void Dragon, yet. Has it been mentioned since that change up?
If the idea isn't being continued the whole thing may have been soft retconned out of canon. With changes as big as the Newcrons anything printed before becomes written on water until confirmed again. That same bits of the Codex also throws out things like there have maybe been things taken for C'tan that weren't, even offering Daemons as an explanation.
Not that it isn't possible, but the Void Dragon may join the Star Child on the pile of discarded notions GW decided were heretical after all.
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2012-10-08, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-08, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
I think it's reasonably uncontroversial that *as a pure Warp entity* the Imperial Cult would empower the Emperor, in the same way dedicated acts strengthen the Chaos Gods and the Waaagh field empowers the totems of the Orks- this is the base behind the Star Child theory. It's less clear if he would be able to access that power source as a living Materium-based being; personally I find it unlikely too, although if the pre-existing canon holds the Emperor doesn't *need* any extra power to be possibly the single most powerful psychic force in the galaxy.
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2012-10-08, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Not exactly. The C'tan did exist, but millions of years ago, the Necrons turned on them and basically smashed them into pieces, then enslaved the still-incredibly-powerful shards. They left wiggle room, but the current canon is that no C'tan were active between the time the 'Crons went to sleep and when they woke up again.
Much more likely than you'd think - remember, he didn't want to be worshipped as a god. He didn't want any gods, his whole motivation for the Crusade was exterminating the four Chaos Gods whether he thought of them as gods or not. So the last thing he would have done was explicitly encourage his own deification.NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
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2012-10-08, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
So that's why he walked around in a super-shiny armor with halos around his head and always made grand entrances wherever he went while keeping a super aura of mystery and superiority around himself?
Not to mention, the Word Bearers legion worshiped him for some 200 years that lasted the Great Crusade until things turned south. Them and all of the planets they conquered and were made to worship the emprah.
Yet there was no visible change on the emprah himself. If anything, he was worst after so much worship and started commiting fatal slips after fatal slip that helped unfold into the Horus Heresy.Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-10-08 at 05:35 PM.
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2012-10-08, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
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2012-10-08, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Indeed, he did that to his own "son", at the cost of planting the seeds of the Horus Heresy. His own Imperium would burn for that, but the emprah cared not as long as the Word Bearers didn't worship him anymore.
Now it's the full imperium worshiping him. How amused do you think he'll be?
How many of the imperium's forces will turn for the chaos gods for salvation this time when the emprah orders the purging of everything in sight?Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-10-08 at 06:01 PM.
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2012-10-09, 05:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Much more likely than you'd think - remember, he didn't want to be worshipped as a god. He didn't want any gods, his whole motivation for the Crusade was exterminating the four Chaos Gods whether he thought of them as gods or not. So the last thing he would have done was explicitly encourage his own deification.
Since if that had been the case, he would both have better able to starve the other gods by taking all the worship for himself, while eventualy putting himself in a position where he could have fought them as an equal.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-09, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Its too bad, thats a pretty interesting method of defeating the gods, if you cant outright stab them in the face, starve them to death by taking all of their worshipers. Its a fairly common theme in fantasy stories that have direct divine interference. The gods need those worshippers. Losing them actually can cause them pain. If they lose them all, they start to fade away, eventually becoming nothing more than faint whispers in the wind. Eventually being on an immortals scale, not like a few years later.
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2012-10-09, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
I mostly agree. It's a pretty cool way to deal with a set of Dark Gods.
I think the reason why that's not a plan in 40k is that, possibly anyway, the whole revering of Gods and the energy it provides might not be exclusive as such.
It would make a strange kind of sense if, even if the Emperor became the Star-Child and able to receive such warp-empowerment (I don't believe he would whilst still corporeal and alive, personally), the Chaos Gods would also benefit. Either it strengthens the Warp itself, or they feed off of ambient energies as facets of the themes and ideas expressed in the human reverence for the emperor touch upon their own portfolios. The former feels more likely and less like translating D&D ideas to 40k, admittedly.
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2012-10-09, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 09:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Ordo Chronos are also in Dark Heresy, mentioned every now and then. In the Haarlock campaign, I think, since it has time screwery.
But yeah, Emperor gets off his ass=Imperium wins. If the Chaos Gods make Horus Mk II, Chaos wins.
If Cypher is still canon and does his damn job, who knows?!
(Any mention of Cypher in new Chaos book?)
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2012-10-09, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Issue: Horus wasn't able to stand up to the Emperor in terms of strength. He was able to keep the Emperor focusing his strength because of the personal connection he had to the Emperor, being his favored son and all. Making a new Horus would therefore be somewhat impossible.
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2012-10-09, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-10, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yup. No mention of Cypher though. New units- but no new special characters or returning old ones.
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2012-10-10, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]
Hmmm, if the Emperor finally got off his throne, IMO as a medical expert:
1) He'd need rather a lot of physiotherapy to rebuild his leg muscles from where he'd been seated so long, probably using a wheel-throne to begin with and gradually working up to crutches.
2) The first thing he'd probably ask was "Where's the nearest toilet?"
3) To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised he hasn't died from DVT yet.
WH40K is so unrealistic. =/