If the Emperor Fully healed would it matter? [WH40k]

[bluntpencil]

More interesting questions include the following:

What would happen if Big E finally kicked the bucket?

What would happen if Cypher succeeded at his totally not treasonous, and definitely awesome, mission?

[The Glyphstone]

It's worth pointing out that the Imperium doesn't completely rely on Navigators or the Astronomicon for warp travel. They can make computer-assisted 'calculated' jumps of 4-5 lightyears at a time without psychic aid, similar to how the Tau do it. It's far shorter than true warp jumps, and would fracture the Imperium, but losing the Astronomicon would not instantly reduce mankind to a slower-than-light civilization.

[shadow_archmagi]

It's worth pointing out that the Imperium doesn't completely rely on Navigators or the Astronomicon for warp travel. They can make computer-assisted 'calculated' jumps of 4-5 lightyears at a time without psychic aid, similar to how the Tau do it. It's far shorter than true warp jumps, and would fracture the Imperium, but losing the Astronomicon would not instantly reduce mankind to a slower-than-light civilization.

It's also worth noting that Navigators can and do make jumps beyond the light of the Astronomicon- There's rules for it in Rogue Trader. In fact, one psyker power that either Astropaths or Navigators get (can't recall) is to make a Beacon that essentially acts as a scaled-down Astronomicon.

[Maugan Ra]

I do have to agree with Cheese here. The God-Emperor of mankind is a complete bastard. He favoured mass conquest, xenocide and fanatical intolerance even back in the days of the Great Crusade. Then he got betrayed by his favoured son, injured almost unto death, and has spent the last ten thousand years paralysed on the Throne while being fed millions of souls and basking in the worshipful glow of ten trillion screaming fanatics.

If he does get back up and set to work, vast portions of the galaxy are going to burn. Uncounted billions of humans will die screaming on the pyres as he drives the theocratic crusade onwards, and dozens of species of aliens can fully expect to be wiped out for daring to exist anywhere near the Imperium.

You know all those powerful nobles that the Inquisition can't touch without some prior evidence of corruption? They're screwed. It really doesn't matter how many strings you can pull, if the God-Emperor wants your entire line imprisoned and deeply mind-scanned in order to prove your right to rule over a portion of his empire, the Inquisition is going to do so.

There is only war, after all.

[bluntpencil]

Yeah, before the Heresy, the Great Crusade was largely a cakewalk: Humanity owned the hell out of the galaxy.

The Horus Heresy gave the Imperium an enemy that was almost its equal: Itself. It even had a leader almost equivalent to the Emperor in power.

If the Emperor got off his Golden Laz-E Boy, the Imperium would destroy all opposition, since it wouldn't have the check and balance that is Horus.

Sure, loads of planets would burn but, you know, it's better than the alternative. Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs or exterminatusing several hundred planets.

Remember: It probably is safer to be a xenophobic maniac!

Thought for the day:

It is not the Horror of War that troubles me but the Unseen Horrors of Peace.

[Morph Bark]

Every time someone says "exterminatus", I hear a sound in the back of my head. As if a million Daleks suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

[bluntpencil]

Every time someone says "exterminatus", I hear a sound in the back of my head. As if a million Daleks suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

I even used it as a verb, too.

[shadow_archmagi]

Oh man, the Daleks would really fit in in the 40k verse. As cunning as Eldar, as tough as Necrons...

[comicshorse]

Yeah, before the Heresy, the Great Crusade was largely a cakewalk: Humanity owned the hell out of the galaxy.

The Horus Heresy gave the Imperium an enemy that was almost its equal: Itself. It even had a leader almost equivalent to the Emperor in power.

If the Emperor got off his Golden Laz-E Boy, the Imperium would destroy all opposition, since it wouldn't have the check and balance that is Horus.

Yeah but back then the Imperium didn't have Necrons, the Tyrannid and Traitor Legions to deal with. Owning the glaxy then was one thing, owning it now.......

[Tvtyrant]

Oh man, the Daleks would really fit in in the 40k verse. As cunning as Eldar, as tough as Necrons...

As impossible to exterminate as the Orks. The ability to restart your species from scratch again and again while being as advanced as the top races in the galaxy gives you a pretty big advantage.

[bluntpencil]

Yeah but back then the Imperium didn't have Necrons, the Tyrannid and Traitor Legions to deal with. Owning the glaxy then was one thing, owning it now.......

The Emperor beat the living daylights out of a C'Tan. He fought the Traitor Legions... and the Imperium won. The Tyranids? Fair point, but this is the Emperor. The Ultramarines have beaten off Hive Fleets before. With the Emperor, it'd be just another footnote in a tome of galactic conquest.

The only thing to match the Emperor was Horus. If he isn't there to beat the Emperor down, Imperium wins.

[Cikomyr]

Oh man, the Daleks would really fit in in the 40k verse. As cunning as Eldar, as tough as Necrons...

Who do you think the Men of Iron were?

[comicshorse]

Who do you think the Men of Iron were?

Cybermen ?

[bluntpencil]

The Ordo Chronos have already dealt with this, gentlemen. Move along...

[comicshorse]

The Emperor beat the living daylights out of a C'Tan. He fought the Traitor Legions... and the Imperium won. The Tyranids? Fair point, but this is the Emperor. The Ultramarines have beaten off Hive Fleets before. With the Emperor, it'd be just another footnote in a tome of galactic conquest.

The only thing to match the Emperor was Horus. If he isn't there to beat the Emperor down, Imperium wins.

Yeah but was there Horus or was there a puppet possessed by Chaos ? (thats not a rhetorical question BTW I'm not fully up on 40K background ) because if that is the case there are still a lot of ex-Primarchs out there willing to fill that role. And yes the Imperium won in the past against them but thats before they were stretched thin by other demands and it was even then a very close thing

[bluntpencil]

Yeah but was there Horus or was there a puppet possessed by Chaos ? (thats not a rhetorical question BTW I'm not fully up on 40K background ) because if that is the case there are still a lot of ex-Primarchs out there willing to fill that role. And yes the Imperium won in the past against them but thats before they were stretched thin by other demands and it was even then a very close thing

If the other Primarchs could have been used, they would have been used by now. Horus appears to have been the only viable vessel, or the Chaos Gods got hurt badly or something.

If the equivalent of Horus was to rise with the Emperor still in his chair, auto-win for Chaos. So, if they could possess a Primarch like Horus, they would.

[Forum Explorer]

If the other Primarchs could have been used, they would have been used by now. Horus appears to have been the only viable vessel, or the Chaos Gods got hurt badly or something.

If the equivalent of Horus was to rise with the Emperor still in his chair, auto-win for Chaos. So, if they could possess a Primarch like Horus, they would.

Not necessarily. As things are its looking like a total win for Chaos against the Imperium anyways. Since they aren't directly threatened they have no need to work together and give so much power to one individual.

[GloatingSwine]

Not necessarily. As things are its looking like a total win for Chaos against the Imperium anyways. Since they aren't directly threatened they have no need to work together and give so much power to one individual.

You're assuming an all consuming WAAAAAAGH doesn't engulf the galaxy and render both the Imperium and Chaos irrelevant, then...

[Dark Kerman]

Even given the badassery of the Emperor, would he be able to deal with the Void Dragon in Mars? He'd have to deal with the fact that the majority of his technicians would be split between believe in there "Machine God" and Him. Also, given the close proximity to Earth itself, there would be an ample opportunity to launch a decisive strike.

[Forum Explorer]

You're assuming an all consuming WAAAAAAGH doesn't engulf the galaxy and render both the Imperium and Chaos irrelevant, then...

I was just looking at Chaos vs the Imperium.


Chaos has no idea what to do about Orks but hope really hard that they won't unite.

[comicshorse]

I always thought it was only the fact the Emperor was considered a real threat to them that motivated the Choas gods to co-operate in empowering Horus.
Without that threat and with things going pretty good they have no reason to.
So of course by that logic if the Emperor does rise from the throne the Chaos gods are gonna pick a new 'Horus' ( my money's on Magnus) damn fast

[GloatingSwine]

I was just looking at Chaos vs the Imperium.


Chaos has no idea what to do about Orks but hope really hard that they won't unite.

No-one has any idea what to do about Orks. Except Tyranids and Necrons, which just have the same idea about everything.

One must remember in WH40k that focusing on one existential threat means ignoring all of the other existential threats that are going on all the time. It's no good putting all of your effort into defeating Chaos if you forget to look over your shoulder and get eaten by Tyranids.

[The Glyphstone]

Even given the badassery of the Emperor, would he be able to deal with the Void Dragon in Mars? He'd have to deal with the fact that the majority of his technicians would be split between believe in there "Machine God" and Him. Also, given the close proximity to Earth itself, there would be an ample opportunity to launch a decisive strike.

Void Dragon got RetCronned out of existence, as far as I'm aware.

[BRC]

If the Emperor Stepped off the Golden Throne, he would probably take a look around the Imperium and cry at everything that has been done in his name.
However, he's probably also smart enough to realize that suddenly reversing thousands of years of tradition is going to do more harm than good.
He might begin to institute reforms, but doing so without causing a massive amount of destabilization would take centuries. In fact, even letting the masses know he's back would likely fracture the Imperium.


If the Emperor is smart, and assuming the Adeptus Custodes first step is to bring him up to speed on the State of the Imperium, his first move will be to hide the fact that he's back. He'll probably let some SM chapter leaders in on the secret, and the High Lords of Terra will find out, but nobody else.
He stays in his Palace and begins instituting reforms. He lets the High Lords of Terra keep ruling in his name, but he makes the decisions for them. Mind Controlling them if necessary. He starts churning out new technologies for the AdMech to "Rediscover" and distribute.

Centuries pass, life in the Imperium gradually improves. Slowly, the Cult of the Emperor becomes less dogmatic, begins spending fewer resources on massive cathedrals. The new Technologies improves lives and give the IG an edge in battle. Within a few centuries, there are 50% fewer Skulls, Psykers are recognized as potentially dangerous, but are nurtured and given a chance to become useful. Pauldron Sizes grow by 38%.

Then the Tyranids arrive and eat everybody.

[Cheesegear]

Even given the badassery of the Emperor, would he be able to deal with the Void Dragon in Mars?

Void Dragon got RetCronned out of existence, as far as I'm aware.

HAH! Now I know people don't read books.

From Mechanicum;
Void Dragon is in Mars. The Emperor put him there with his bare hands - and probably his vast psychic might. See all the 'Emperor beat up a C'Tan once' comments? That's what that refers to. The Emperor locked the Dragon in Mars because a being that powerful had to have an eye kept on it since the Emperor wasn't able to kill it (C'Tan can't be killed).

The prison isn't broken, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't break if the Emperor woke up.

[The Glyphstone]

HAH! Now I know people don't read books.

From Mechanicum;
Void Dragon is in Mars. The Emperor put him there with his bare hands - and probably his vast psychic might. See all the 'Emperor beat up a C'Tan once' comments? That's what that refers to. The Emperor locked the Dragon in Mars because a being that powerful had to have an eye kept on it since the Emperor wasn't able to kill it (C'Tan can't be killed).

The prison isn't broken, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't break if the Emperor woke up.

But does he even exist anymore, is what I'm saying. The Necrons beat up and imprisoned all of the C'tan millions of years before the Emperor ever existed, in the Newcron continuity.

[Cheesegear]

But does he even exist anymore, is what I'm saying. The Necrons beat up and imprisoned all of the C'tan millions of years before the Emperor ever existed, in the Newcron continuity.

One got out? Or however you may want to explain it.

Mechanicum; 2008
Newcrons; 2011

Sure, the fluff might have changed in three years. But I am loathe to even think that one of the Horus Heresy novels - especially one of the better ones - might be out of continuity somehow.

[gooddragon1]

Void Dragon got RetCronned out of existence, as far as I'm aware.

I see what you did there.

Also, chaos put their power into Horus and the Emperor only lost because he didn't cut lose on Horus. If they pick someone he's less reluctant to fire away on it might not work out so well.

[The Glyphstone]

I see what you did there.

Also, chaos put their power into Horus and the Emperor only lost because he didn't cut lose on Horus. If they pick someone he's less reluctant to fire away on it might not work out so well.

Give credit to Soras Teva Gee, he's the one who prefers to call them Retcrons. I prefer Newcrons.

[Forum Explorer]

One got out? Or however you may want to explain it.

Mechanicum; 2008
Newcrons; 2011

Sure, the fluff might have changed in three years. But I am loathe to even think that one of the Horus Heresy novels - especially one of the better ones - might be out of continuity somehow.

I read somewhere where it was talking about people mislabeling things C'tan as well as hinting that perhaps some did manage to escape, though no one knows how many if that's even true at all.

Also while I did like that book the Void Dragon part was the part I hated the most.