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    Oh, agreed there. It should be a series focus, not the overwhelming theme!!

    If you could do away with the whole "nobody ever saw a romulan before", you could have a series set immediately after the Romulan.Wars, set in a border outpost. I

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    The whole point of the mainstream ST shows was "A shiny superstarship flying alone in deep space advertising Federation (socialist humanist utopia) ideals." It's what ppl watch ST for. If you want a show that's not about that, then just create a different show.

    For all your words on how cool and different DS9 was, it's telling that it was the neglected middle child of the ST franchise. Trek fans didn't really take to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    The whole point of the mainstream ST shows was "A shiny superstarship flying alone in deep space advertising Federation (socialist humanist utopia) ideals." It's what ppl watch ST for. If you want a show that's not about that, then just create a different show.

    For all your words on how cool and different DS9 was, it's telling that it was the neglected middle child of the ST franchise. Trek fans didn't really take to it.
    It’s funny you mention this after I just watched the newest Atop the Fourth Wall; in it Linkara talks about how John Carpenter’s The Thing was considered a flop when it originally came out(too gory and “talky”), but today it’s considered a master work of horror and suspense. Similarly a lot of Trek fans dismissed DS9 as being “too different,” but time has given the audience a new appreciation for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    The whole point of the mainstream ST shows was "A shiny superstarship flying alone in deep space advertising Federation (socialist humanist utopia) ideals." It's what ppl watch ST for. If you want a show that's not about that, then just create a different show.

    For all your words on how cool and different DS9 was, it's telling that it was the neglected middle child of the ST franchise. Trek fans didn't really take to it.
    Yet beside being treated as the poor child of Paramount, since they were promoting TNG or Voyager moreso than DS9, it ended up as the one with having the largest dedicated fanbase, the "Niners".

    And now, it is generally considered to be the serie of highest drama and story quality overall. Its first seasons didn't sucked as utterly as TNG's or Voyager's. It was the first Trek serie to break the episodal system; ending up with 6-episodes and even 10-episodes Grand Arcs. That is the sort of thing you see more on modern television than at the time.

    You can have many of what made Star Trek Star Trek, and not just another Sci-Fi show, yet still challenge these ideals. Voyager was a strict adherence to Federation ideals, much much moreso than DS9, and it was heavily promoted by Paramount. It still sucked terribly and have much lower ratings and quality than DS9.

    Therefore, you cannot claim that "shiny starship" is what actually drew viewers. TNG and DS9 were, at their best, strong concept exploration sci-fi played by moral characters. The greyness of DS9 actually make people forget one thing: its Starfleet characters were still very much Federation citizens, respecting Federation ideals. It's just that fore the first time, these people did NOT had homefield advantage. They had to deal with people with DIFFERENT VALUES.

    Imagine just a second: the controversy among Trek fans about DS9 is that the Federation had to tolerate different values. How ironic.

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    I don't want to undercut the central point of your post, Cik, but I did want to point out that Voyager usually had higher ratings than DS9 at the time. At the time, it was cited as the reason why Voyager would continue to be touted as the flagship series for UPN while DS9 remained the forgotten middle child of Trekdom, although in retrospect, I think there was a chicken-and-egg quality to the marketing. I kept watching Voyager after DS9, but it wasn't because I thought Voyager was a better show than DS9. It was because Voyager was on at 7 on Saturday while DS9 disappeared. I found out later that it was on at 1 a.m. on Sunday in time to catch most of the seventh season, but that isn't a time slot known for generating huge ratings.

    Really, Voyager and DS9 represented two different ways of solving a single problem. TNG was a ratings juggernaut, but after about it's sixth season, ratings started to slide. And they kept sliding throughout the joint tenure of DS9 and Voyager. DS9 tried to save the franchise by evolving to a more serialized format; Voyager tried to save the franchise by sticking with bulldog's determination to the exact same episodic format as TNG. While neither worked, in retrospect, DS9 presaged the transition in the rest of television to complex, arc-based shows. Every studio executive wants the next Lost, and Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5 were Lost before Lost was Lost. Voyager, by contrast, looks like leftover TNG done with a note of blandness and characters that were nowhere near as rich and well-developed as their TNG predecessors. Which is part of why it's so reviled today.

    Incidentally, this also answers the question of what I would most like in a new Star Trek TV series. I absolutely loved the concept of Voyager, and if they rebooted it and told the story right, with character and story arcs and close attention to continuity, I would still be over the moon about it. In my daydreams, I've actually mapped out a 5-year series for the show with three major arcs: the Kazon/Talaxian civil war arc, the Year of Hell, and the Borg arc.

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    Honestly I would have loved more dissention between the Maquis members of the crew such as Chakotay & B'Elanna Torres, especially in matters regarding the prime directive along with policies that would be acceptable in the UFP dominant Alpha Quadrant but are foolish to maintain in the far off Delta. Also an overarching myth arc beyond "how the #$%^ do we get back home?" might be good as well...
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    Honestly I would have loved more dissention between the Maquis members of the crew such as Chakotay & B'Elanna Torres, especially in matters regarding the prime directive along with policies that would be acceptable in the UFP dominant Alpha Quadrant but are foolish to maintain in the far off Delta. Also an overarching myth arc beyond "how the #$%^ do we get back home?" might be good as well...
    I agree, I liked voyager to be honest, but there were some things that could have been handled better. The maquis thing was like some random plot device dragged out when the writers wanted a near mutiny plot, then totally ignored the other 99% of the time like it didnt exist. As for the overarcing story, meh. Even the whole trying to get home thing seemed to only pop up every few episode arcs as they find yet another macguffin that could send them home but always failed due to it being a trap, a flop, or a self sacrificing destruction of the device to be big damn heroes at the expense of the crew not getting really close to home. Like was said, it was more of tng, an episode a day, with little to link it all together. I am personally surprised the crew didnt mutiny and launch her from a torpedo bay around the third or fourth time she sacrificed their way home to save some indigenous people.
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    I think the problems with Star Trek really started with Voyager and extended into Enterprise.
    Yes, TOS and TNG are also silly by todays standards, but I have great respect for what they did in the time and environment when they did it.

    TOS really doesn't has any of that idealistic crap if I remember it correctly. There are a few episodes where the main characters clash with the law, but those that I remember were more farces of justice meant to cover up a dirty little secret rather than about defending ideals.
    And it was the 70s. Kirk flying around space and encountering goofy planets stuck in nonsensical conflicts wasn't dumb. That's full of Cold War and Civil Rights comentary. I can accept that, even if I never really became a fan of the show.

    TNG really started the idealism wave, but then, it was the late 80s at the end of the Cold War when times where hopeful but chaotic. And I think in that environment Star Trek attempted to create a hopeful outlook for the future. The Prime Directive often got quite warped and confusing, but the central message was "Great Empires don't meddle with the affairs of neutral countries." The last four decades had been full of terrible things done in the name of generously supporting struggling countries to keep them from falling to the enemy. Such thinking had gotten us the Vietnam and Afghanistan War, which was still ongoing when the show was made. Or such weird situations as NATO supporting Pol Pot in Cambodia just because the only country that came to aid the rebels against his genocides happened to be Vietnam. That man makes it to the final round for the title of most horrible murderer of all time against Hitler, but everyone who is at war with Vietnam is an ally. Or all the post-colonial mess in Africa.
    In that environment came Captain Picard and said "We can not just go wherever we want and fix other peoples problems, even with the best intentions". We only end up making it worse. Yes, sometimes the scriptwriters didn't understand that at all and wrote garbage that was just insane, but the principle is perfectly valid. And yes, seen today, the strict policy appears a bit too extreme, but this is a quarter of a century later and now we have quite different ideas about these things.
    Deep Space Nine was also a child of it's time. The Bajorans are a clear commentary on all the worlds countries who were left destroyed and highly unstable after the two great powers had ended their conflict and moved out. Bajor is pretty much interwar Afghanistan after the Soviets had retreated. Where TNG had said "Can't we all be sensible and be friends? We don't need to fight over everything but can sort things out diplomatically without imposing our power on others", DS9 came five years later with "Well, sh*t! Cleaning up this mess is going to be a lot tougher and messier than we thought." Which is quite well represented with Sisko, Kira, and Bashir, and to some parts O'Brian. Sisko and Bashir come in like "Hello Bajor! We are here to integrate you into our awesome federation society!" And on the other side, Kira wasn't happy at all and started out very convinced that they had just traded one evil overlord for another. And O'Brian with his past as a Grunt is the veteran soldier who has seen the mess well meaning governments of the great powers have created in the places they were meaning to help. And there's lots of plots about Rebels who don't know what to do once the enemy is gone, and extremist factions fighting each other for dominance. Later we have the Dominon for some good old style action, but the subject of the post-cold war mess always remains one focus.

    And then we got to Voyager, and that show really doesn't have anything to say. It did start with an interesting premise that wasn't that much unlike the pattern established by the other shows.
    TOS was about futile conflicts of mutual annihilation when everyone has already forgotten what they werefighting about, and tragedies that could have been avoided if people had paid more attention to the differences between them and the aliens they encounter.
    TNG was about being critical about actions in the past and not repeating the same mistakes. It was about learning to restrain oneself and not interfer with the affairs of others against their will, even if it's painful.
    DS9 was about facing the consequences of past mistakes and showing forgiveness for the bad things that other did, because one often did pretty much the same thing to someone else. It's about accepting that bad things were done, but not persuing it and allowing a return to peace.
    And then Voyager started out with the interesting premise of "What would we have done if we had been forced to overcome the same problems like the people we condemned for their horrible actions?". That's an interesting idea that does continue the tradition of the other shows. If the roles had been reversed, could we have done things any different? It is about seeing things from the perspective of the underdogs and maybe getting a somewhat less negative image of the people that were condemened as barbaric or cowardly. But unfortunately, it never went there. Very soon it was all back to being the Enterprise and being the force of superior power and morals. But that had been done 10 years earlier and at the time Voyager was in production, this was no longer appropriate for the day. Instead of being a force for peaceful coexistence, Voyager again was a force of imperialism. And Enterprise just followed in its footsteps.
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    And thinking of it like that just now, I think a new Star Trek series would require to be based on a commentary of our present world. Not as an allegory on current affairs, but being based on a situation that allows to deal with issues that the world is currently still trying to find solutions for. Isn't that was Star Trek is ultimately about? And the reason the last two shows were not satisfactory?

    Maybe something about minorities and integration? Both in Europe and in America, there seems to considerable tension in many places about seeing what one believed to be ones old local traditions and customs turn into a much more diverse society. Not that the idealized past ever actually existed, but still many people strugle with coming to terms that all the differences between people are now so openly visible.
    A problem with that is, that these are things that happen directly between individuals and not so much on a great scale between countries and armies. It's not that the US have a conflict with Mexico, but that some Americans feel unsure about their Mexican neighbors. There isn't really much plave for big space ships. But maybe the "sector patrol" idea would really work best for such a setting. They would be a lot more like police than military or coast guard, being drawn into small scale conflicts between relatively small groups. And as someone has said, the Maquis and the region they opperate in could be a very good choice. Many small planets at the edge of Federation space, and lots of predjudiced people with a lot of bad blood between them. While I hate digging out the Cardassians again, if it is set after the Dominion War and with the power of the Obsidian Order broken, one could have Cardassian Civilian colonies who somehow thought that the locals understand that they have turned their back on their old nation and want to start a new life away from where the old guard still gets seats in the government and industry. And we've seen on a couple of Cardassian civilians who were oppressed by the regime and many of them seem like verydecent people. Having them facing discrimination and occasional attacks by extremistsa humans and bajorans would be an interesting twist on the race.
    Unfortunately that's on the opposite side of Federation Space than the Romulans and I wand Romulans.
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    Another angle to take it a new series from is the downfall of an empire. The federation is falling apart from the inside out. There are too many species with too many mutually exclusive goals. It isnt in total collapse yet, but it got too big, too complex, and problems are erupting everywhere. Its up to the new enterprise ship and crew to do its best to hold things together, but it may be a futile effort. Instead of an episode a day, keep it as an overarching storyline as we watch the crew desperately plugging the holes in the dike with their fingers, and seeing two more leaks sprout as they do. Show the politics as the federation commanders are trying to cover their own butts, and making decisions on who to save and who to cut loose, and the inherent moral questions these actions raise.

    For sizzle, include subversive attempts from the outside to speed up the collapse, or at least weaken them enough for another war to break out. Include a more aggressive enemy actually attacking the outlying federation borders and the choices that have to be made on how, who, or if, they will be saved. Perhaps turn the enterprise eventually, into a sort of rogue ship. The moral and ethical issues raised by their superiors actions have forced them to basically ignore them and go off on their own in their attempts to maintain order. They can no longer stand idly by and watch as members of the federation, deemed to be too troublesome to save, are cut loose and abandoned by the organization that promised to protect them. There are so many ways this could run, but the general theme of the fall of an empire should be kept in place.
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    Okay, what about this.

    We begin in the time of Christopher Pike, but on the outskirts of the canonical events of TOS. We create three characters who's lives are going to intersect at some point. One aims to be a Star Fleet Officer, she's entering the academy with ambitions she'll never come to fulfill. Another trains to be a Klingon warrior for the honour of his family, in spite of having a remarkable intellect which would've been better used as a scientist -- a fact he would regret later in his life, even as he prospers as a warrior. The last, a Vulcan civilian on the edge of Federation/Romulan space who's a prodigious musician and musicologist on a grail quest for old Vulcan music lost after the civil war which came to define his species.

    The events of the series would chronicle the lives of these characters and their descendants over the course of 3 centuries. They would not be the prime movers of events, and even if they enter the eye of events, most of the emphasis is on their perceptions and character development rather than the more operatic aspect of the series.

    If you're familiar with Steven Spielberg's televised mini-series Taken, the narrative conventions would be similar.

    The tone would be very stark, similar to the first movie. I would emphasize the alienating qualities of these distinct characters within their own milieu -- make the viewer uncomfortable with same tropes they've grown familiar with by putting them in new light and removing the sense of the exotic. Especially at the beginning when the connection between the three species are far thinner. Go out into the world beyond the Federation and conflicts between empires and into more of the day-to-day life as DS9 did.

    I think these are the strongest elements of Star Trek -- the extent to which they've developed their core species, the capacity to write convincing characters, and a setting which can be interesting if you treat it like a living breathing world rather than a static utopia you rarely if ever visit. I want a space opera which is somewhat more reflective of those in the literary genre, with roles less significant than usual Star Trek main characters play, and somewhat more critical of the established events from a more recent perspective.

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    And here I was wondering if they set it on a new colony that due to some unknown cosmic event is isolated from the rest of the Federation and we see them trying to cope on their own until they're ready to begin the search up in space to find out what happened...

    I figure the Federation have left a couple of ships say a research vessel and a couple of frigates or escorts along with an obsolete small cruiser intended for the colony to use as a training vessel.

    When the incident happens the research vessel is lost in an ambush along with one escort with the other returning damaged and we see them desperately working to prepare a defence but eventually the escort's crew decide to try and reach a federation outpost to get help disregarding the colony administrator's request they stay.

    Well a bit brief but at least a start and doesn't have to be the standard TNG outlook.

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    Gratuitous alien nooky and brutal violence.

    I'm a man of simple tastes, although being serious, I do wonder what kind of themes an 18-rated (I think that's an M or R rating in Americaland) Star Trek could explore.
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    Gratuitous alien nooky and brutal violence.

    I'm a man of simple tastes, although being serious, I do wonder what kind of themes an 18-rated (I think that's an M or R rating in Americaland) Star Trek could explore.
    Well, lets put it this way. We would get to examine the more physical side of the worf/dax relationship in ds-9. Bare boobs and butts most likely at the limit. I certainly wouldnt complain, jadzia was hot, and ezri was a cutie. And those batleths wouldnt function like blunt weaponry. We might actually see limbs getting hacked off and people being impaled on them. Seriously, that always bugged me. Those things are clearly bladed weapons, and yet in every fight they function like thin clubs, with an off camera stab of downed opponents at best.

    Honestly, aside from more cursing, I think the biggest change to an 18 and up star trek would be visual effects. Instead of ray guns knocking people down, you get to see lots of burns, removed limbs, and blood. Instead of bladed weapons being used as clubs, they would actually cut. Instead of stopping at the uniform shirt coming off, there would be nudity. Things like that. Most of the actual content and stories would likely remain the same, or just about, but the visible effects that take place would be more graphic. I suppose they could go grimdark for the sake of "because we can now" and have all sorts of horror show episodes to play with the limits of the rating, but that might feel like a cheap gore effect. Over the top, and out of place.
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    Honestly, if we set the series in a post dominion war/post borg Alpha Quadrant we have a few less factions to worry about. The Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, and Ferengi are all at least on speaking terms with the UFP rather than most of them balancing on the knife edge or disinterestedly neutral. I would like to see a multifactioned ship consisting of a culturally mixed crew that are NOT all federation (possibly a federation ship on loan or something similar) people who were enemies in the recent past forced to work together (observers from the various governments on the ship?) bring back a classic character from TNG as the major go-between, (Data would likely be seen as an acceptable party because he can be dispassionate and wholly honest possibly include Alexander Rozhenko and Nog as well) since they have experience with each of those races individually. We can have the "place to place" epsiodicness that we expect from a Trek series and deal with the effort of establishing a lasting peace. The majority of the episodes would have external conflict while some would deal with the politics of the ship as factions such as the remnants of Cardassian Central Command & The Obsidian Order, Section 31, the Tal Shiar, and criminal organizations like the Orion Syndicate would all be trying to sabotage the mission for various reasons and pin the blame on one of the others.
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    TOS really doesn't has any of that idealistic crap if I remember it correctly. There are a few episodes where the main characters clash with the law, but those that I remember were more farces of justice meant to cover up a dirty little secret rather than about defending ideals.
    You remember incorrectly. Besides the idealism present in the very makeup of the crew (a black woman and an Asian man as senior officers alongside white men, not to mention a bona-fide alien, all with so little comment that this is clearly normal), and the clear notion that nationalism is almost completely dead, Kirk has almost as many speeches (relative to the number of episodes, of course) about how far humanity has progress as Picard did.

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    Star Trek:Anthology would be the perfect way to go.

    Consider the simple fact: You have a good 50 some actors from all the years of Star Trek still around. From main characters, to secondary characters, to re occurring characters and even down to one or two time characters. And just think, each of them characters alone has a good hundred stories to tell.

    From TNG you have say Vash, what has she been up too? Or Dr. Plaski? Or Captain Jerrico? From DS9 you have a good two dozen characters alone. Voyager has it's whole crew, and the whole Enterprise NX crew.

    Now the nice thing you could do is set the story any time. So you could do the story in the past, present or future of a character's timeline. And for the fans, you could fill in story holes. For an easy one:What where the TNG folks doing during the Dominain War?

    But better, you could link the stores. Some directly, where to characters from different shows meet and do stuff together and some just indirectly, where the characters just pass each other. You could have lots of small stories and just a couple big stories.

    I'm sure that dozens of the 'lesser' actors would jump at the chance to step into an old character they had(and get paid). You would not need to have a 'main star' all the time, just every so often. And you could bring in new characters too and spin stories off to them.

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    Hmm, that could be interesting. And I can see it now. The setting is the Starfleet museum, where its the year, I dunno, 3282, and a tour group of children is going through the exhibits covering the history of the federation, from start to present. They touch a panel and get to watch a holographic tale of a particular event. That fades into our daily episode of the anthology. Notable events, notable members of the federation, all of it is there, and being kids, they choose to watch them in no particular order. "Aww, enough belanna torres! I want to find out what the andorians were up to in between the times captain archer ran into them!" or some such random event.
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    You remember incorrectly. Besides the idealism present in the very makeup of the crew (a black woman and an Asian man as senior officers alongside white men, not to mention a bona-fide alien, all with so little comment that this is clearly normal), and the clear notion that nationalism is almost completely dead, Kirk has almost as many speeches (relative to the number of episodes, of course) about how far humanity has progress as Picard did.
    Looking back, I don't remember why I used that particular choice of word. What I think I meant to say was that in TOS, you had almost none of that forced drama because of Federation Regulations forcing them to let people suffer or go extinct for their own good.
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    Looking back, I don't remember why I used that particular choice of word. What I think I meant to say was that in TOS, you had almost none of that forced drama because of Federation Regulations forcing them to let people suffer or go extinct for their own good.
    That was more because the Federation ideals became a Dogma due to nearly 20 years of pure fanboyism. What was initially presented as "a good idea" became "the only acceptable way"

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    And that was my initial statement.
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    And that was my initial statement.
    Sorry, I am at the stage of simply reading the latest comments and forgetting the entire discussion I've read yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    That was more because the Federation ideals became a Dogma due to nearly 20 years of pure fanboyism. What was initially presented as "a good idea" became "the only acceptable way"
    I think that's the core problem of Star Trek. The ideals are good, and I like to see them win at the end, but there's no tension or drama if we already start there.

    I think there is a lot to see in the normal Trek universe. Personally I think we can explore the Federation a bit more. From what I remember, the whole UFP has 6 locations: Earth, Vulcan, Mining Colony, Settler Colony, New Member Planet, Star Base. And that's it. okay, maybe Risa, but I want to ignore it. Another good thing about DS0 was that it had no less than 3 places that developed, DS9, Bajor and Kardassia.
    So far it seems all those member planets instantly are brainwashed and become generic citizens of the UFP. What about their former identities? The relations between mother world and colonies? Bigger and smaller members? What about the cost and burdens of the Dominion war? There's much that can be told, without burning down the Federation. Those are interesting settings, but it wouldn't be Star Trek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yora View Post
    Looking back, I don't remember why I used that particular choice of word. What I think I meant to say was that in TOS, you had almost none of that forced drama because of Federation Regulations forcing them to let people suffer or go extinct for their own good.
    Ah. In that case you are entirely correct. I was rebutting an argument you were not trying to make.

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    I agree with Yora in that ST is mainly a sci-fi vehicle for social commentary. That's what it's truly about, not sci-fi adventure pulp for its own sake like SW. Therefore, any new ST should be about that.

    Any new ST show that does "Expanded Universe" for its own sake would just be catering to fanboys who have lost sight of what ST was originally for before it became a universe. And even those fanboys would probably subconsciously realize that "something's missing" in such a show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    I agree with Yora in that ST is mainly a sci-fi vehicle for social commentary. That's what it's truly about, not sci-fi adventure pulp for its own sake like SW. Therefore, any new ST should be about that.
    Although you could make the case that SW was more Fantasy than Sci-Fi.. until the midichlorian hit the screen.

    Any new ST show that does "Expanded Universe" for its own sake would just be catering to fanboys who have lost sight of what ST was originally for before it became a universe. And even those fanboys would probably subconsciously realize that "something's missing" in such a show.
    Agreed. You need to push the boundaries of Sci-Fi, not just making more internal references. This is why, as much as the 4th season of Enterprise was pure gold for any Star Trek fans, it never did anything to win back the casual audience.

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    I agree with Yora in that ST is mainly a sci-fi vehicle for social commentary. That's what it's truly about, not sci-fi adventure pulp for its own sake like SW. Therefore, any new ST should be about that.
    All Science Fiction is primarily social comentary.

    Technological developments always are explored side by side with social ones. The big question is not what we could build, but why we would want to do it.
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    All Science Fiction is primarily social comentary.

    Technological developments always are explored side by side with social ones. The big question is not what we could build, but why we would want to do it.
    All Science Fiction should be social commentary. Or at least when it wants to be good.

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    *Stuff about a new Star Trek show
    That sounds awesome. Sadly it will never be written, unless we wrote it ourselves.
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