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    DwarfFighterGuy

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    Default 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    Hi All,

    This is my 1st shot at making a bard that I want to play.
    I will state I am not a fan of mind control, suggestion, and stuff along those lines. What I do enjoy is strategic battle, a well placed buffer and an epic tale at it's conclusion.

    Here is what I am Proposing:

    Courage (Su): Sing + 5R
    +1 Saves vs Fear / Charm
    +1 Attack / Damage

    Competence (Su): Sing + 5R
    +2 to Skill Checks
    +2 to Spell DCs

    Bolstering Voice(Su): Sing + 5R
    +2 to Will Saves
    +2 to Dodge to AC

    Fortitude(Su): Sing + 5R
    +2 to Fort Saves
    1d10 temp HP

    Celerity(Su): Sing + 5R
    +2 to Reflex Saves
    +10' to Movement

    Greatness (Su): Sing + 5R 1 + 1 ally /3L beyond 14th
    +2 to all Saves and Dodge to AC
    1d10 temp HP
    +10' to Movement

    Heroics (Su): Sing + 5R 1 + 1 ally /3L beyond 17th
    +4 to all Saves and Dodge to AC
    2d10 temp HP
    +20' to Movement

    Rapid Composition(Su): Activate Bardic Music as a Swift Uses 1 use of Bardic Music

    Improved Inspirations Activate Two Bardic Songs at Once Costs Use Per Day Per Song Activated

    Class Abilities by Level:
    1st Competence (Su): Bardic Music, Bardic Knack, Versatile Performer
    2nd
    3rd Bolstering Voice(Su):
    4th Courage (Su):
    5th
    6th Fortitude(Su):
    7th
    8th Courage (Su):
    9th Celerity(Su):
    10th Rapid Composition(Su):
    11th
    12th Courage (Su):
    13th
    14th Greatness (Su):
    15th
    16th Courage (Su):
    17th Heroics (Su):
    18th Improved Inspirations(Su):
    19th
    20th Courage (Su):

    So how does this sound game balance wise?
    Keep in mind he will still have the bardic casting per normal.

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    DwarfFighterGuy

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    Over 50 views and no input? is it really that horrible of a design?

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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    I'd be wary about boosting DCs.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    I don't like bards all that much, but I'll see if I can help you here. The format is an eyesore (the playground loves tables) and I'm not sure what you mean exactly in some points. Does courage keep increasing at every level you mentioned it? I think that's what you're trying to say and it's not too bad. I'm not sure about the bolstering, fortitude, and celerity abilities. The AC, hitpoints, and movement boosts are all nice in minor ways, but they're really pretty equal, so why come at levels 3, 6, and 9? Or rather, why that particular order? I think the bard should be able to choose which order he gets them.

    I'm not sure why raising a DC 2 points is so scary. I think there aren't enough ways to do that.

    I guess I still wouldn't want to play this bard, but I'd prefer him on my team than the regular kind.
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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by sengmeng View Post
    I'm not sure why raising a DC 2 points is so scary.
    Because a extra 10% chance that your Finger of Death will hit is quite nasty.

    Casters are too powerful anyway, no reason to make it worse.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    I would have used a table, but I had no idea how on here so I made it as pretty as I could.

    I will keep in consideration the DC increase implications, maybe decrease that to +1 instead of +2. I just felt like the physical classes were gaining way more than the caster ones from the buffs, was trying to even it out so they wouldn't feel shunned.

    Yes the courage boosts are cumulative, so they max out at +5 at level 20.

    The level 3 6 9 pacing was just to keep the leveling process feeling like there is something to look forward to instead of there being big dead levels in between.
    The idea of choosing which feat to use is a good one I'm sure any DM would allow.

    My biggest issue to over come with this build is watching how this class interacts with some races (Silverbrow) and feats (Dragon Fire Inspiration) and some spells (Harmony and two others I cannot recall off the top of my head from SC and S&S) . I don't want to over OP myself and in turn mess up the party ECL tuning to badly on the DM.

    This reasoning is also why I applied non stacking bonuses to the greatness and heroics to avoid stacking abuse.

    Thanks for letting me know I'm not too far off the mark guys!

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    I've always thought that an effective caster level boost was a good but not broken way to help out casters.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    I went for DC boost over Level boost to avoid all the level dependant numeric increases on spells.

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard of Battle - Feedback Wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaneGlyph View Post
    I went for DC boost over Level boost to avoid all the level dependant numeric increases on spells.
    Um, that's the POINT of boosting CL level...

    Edit: if no one has helped you make tables yet, they look like this

    [tabel]something|something else|another thing
    the first thing| the second thing| third thing
    [/tabel]

    if you change the word "tabel" to be spelled correctly, the above "tabel" becomes the table below.

    {table]something|something else|another thing
    the first thing| the second thing| third thing
    [/table]
    Last edited by sengmeng; 2012-10-17 at 02:46 PM.
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