Results 1 to 3 of 3
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Pixie in the Playground
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Norway
    Gender
    Male

    Default Suggestion and Sleep

    In another thread dealing with how to ensure a frenzied berserker does not end up killing his team-mates, DMofDarkness suggested that one could plant a Suggestion that the berserker falls asleep if attacking an ally.

    First of all: Can you Suggestion someone to fall asleep? Is "fall asleep" something a creature is actually capable of doing on command, or does this lead to some sort of error that breaks the Suggestion? Can't see anything in the spell description that says anything about what happens if an impossible course of action is asked for, like "Jump to the moon", but still...

    That said, IF you can use Suggestion to make someone fall asleep, what is then the point of ever having the spell Deep Slumber? Same range, same save. Deep Slumber can affect multiple creatures, but Suggestion does not have any HD-cap and can last for HOURS as "The suggested course of activity can continue for the entire duration.". Not to mention the fact that suggestions have more aplications then "make someone fall asleep". Also, Suggestion isn't a magical sleep effect, it is the creature itself that makes itself fall asleep, so one could argue that Suggestion works on creatures such as dragons or elves.

    EDIT: Of cause, Deep Slumer does not have the pesky language-dependent thing, but still.
    Last edited by Torben Raibeart; 2012-10-15 at 12:01 PM.

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    blazinghand's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Suggestion and Sleep

    Well, you can command a creature to try to fall asleep, for sure. A creature who's suggested to fall asleep will probably curl up into a little ball or go to a bed and pull covers over them and close their eyes and try to fall asleep. Just like if you ask a creature to write a letter, they will go find an inkpen and some paper first.

    That being said, a Frenzied Berserker probably can't fall asleep while in a frenzy, or in fact do anything but continue to frenzy. You can suggest he stop frenzying, but in all likelihood he's already trying to do so but is unlikely to be capable of it.

    Realistically, the best way to deal with a Frenzied Berserker is to just have your cleric prepare a couple Calm Emotions or something. I think of it more as an NPC class than anything though.
    Last edited by blazinghand; 2012-10-15 at 12:08 PM.
    Round 4: Eat Brains.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavinfoxx View Post
    Well at least your houserule skill check fumbles have houseruled fumble confirmations.
    The COre COliseum is a tactics-based arena for both 3.5e and 4e D&D. We run fights each week - so join today!
    Quickstart Guide
    Character Sheet

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Titan in the Playground
     
    TuggyNE's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Recovering from RSI
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Suggestion and Sleep

    If the FB can pick up IHS from somewhere, suggest they snap out of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Water_Bear View Post
    That's RAW for you; 100% Rules-Legal, 110% silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    "Common sense" and "RAW" are not exactly on speaking terms
    Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.

    Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid" Use of gray may indicate nitpicking Green is sincerity

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •