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2012-11-23, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I kind of like the idea.
It explains why Klo Tark didn't know where he's from, and who he was, without going to the "lost his memory" cliche.
Of course, there is a logical problem:
This assumes he was alone, still too young to remember his own given name, but smart enough to read his own language years later and name himself after the spaceship.
Still, it's a better alternative than most other options, and for a change - the explanation closes more plot holes than it opens.
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2012-11-23, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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2012-11-23, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
So how did he recognize the ship name is a name? Surely the log contained more common or more emphasized words.
A funny reaction would have been: "Klo-Tark? He named himself 'captain's log'"?
Edit: It reminds me on a trip with my family many years ago.
We went to Spain.
Since we didn't know the language, when we were on the first time on a subway, we tried to look for the name of the station so we can know how to return.
About an hour later, we figured out that the sign we memorized probably said "Exit", since it appeared in all the stations...Last edited by random11; 2012-11-23 at 12:43 AM.
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2012-11-23, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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2012-11-23, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 01:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
You mean like Superman?
Doomed survivor of an alien world, Klo Tark was raised by strangers who taught him the ways of Dominion. When he came of age his foster parents showed him the wreckage of his ship and, knowing nothing of his race aside being able to read their script, he chose that one word as his new name.
Additional Plot Holes
- Klo Tark still needed a mask to breathe on Dominion. If he was a baby how did he know how to use and maintain this mask but not his own name?
- Who raised him and taught him magic if he was alone? He clearly learned enough about his own people to know about "Sorcerer Psions" yet not enough to know his own name?
Basically, this is another classic Mookie Shark in action. It's not that Mookie needed to explain how Klo Tark ended up in Dominion if the rest of his people were stranded -- that's a classic Patch -- but rather than Klo Tark apparently named himself after the ship he was on because he was so young he didn't know better. That detail doesn't answer any questions and is otherwise completely unnecessary to the narrative. Yet, because Mookie introduced it, the narrative now has new Plot Holes that would not otherwise have existed.
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2012-11-23, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Yeah, this. Classic, classic Mookie Shark.
Anyway, no, Dominic won't have mindbreak. You know it. I know it. Mookie knows it. Why? Because Mookie can't harm a single hair on Dominic's head. Absolutely nothing bad will happen to him, or at least, nothing with consequences that last more than strip or so (if we're lucky).
There. Can. Be. No. Tension.
EDIT: Hmm. "Starcaller." Did Mookie steal that from somewhere? I wonder if we're going to be hearing about them in Star Power, which I still can't believe is actually a name.Last edited by Zaq; 2012-11-23 at 03:24 AM.
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2012-11-23, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Starcallers - selfish Elds who steal exploding good people's energies for their own selfish purposes, ultimately leading to the famous "Dark Ages".
Eld naming rituals - Children are not really people until they become teenagers at which point they get their name. Before that, they're called by their ship name, which is swell since who can tell the little buggers apart anyway?
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2012-11-23, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Klo Tark also worked with Rilian. For centuries. And Rilian knew about him being an Eld.
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2012-11-23, 05:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Haha. Mookie's last minute plot reveals will never not be plot holes.
Originally Posted by random11
Originally Posted by Oracle HunterLast edited by T-O-E; 2012-11-23 at 05:55 AM.
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2012-11-23, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
But the entire point was to cover the plot hole of why Klo-Tark didn't contact the Eld himself for all this time.
This can be explained only if he was too young to remember it himself (that, or the amnesia cliche).
Despite that, I decided I don't care about this plot hole.
One type of error we generally accept in fantasy/sci-fi stories is the language barrier.
Sometimes there is an excuse for this in the story like a babble-fish, or "our race learned English by watching your television". In other times it's just hand-waved, and for a good reason - Language barrier can be a good tool to create stories of different cultures, but it gets tiring REALLY fast for both the author and the readers.
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2012-11-23, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
In other bad webcomic news, CAD.
To summarise, Ethan turned on a butter powered time machine and was captured by his future self. In this timeline, the xbot robot Zeke has taken over the world and strangled Ethan's wife Lilah.
Read this comic.
Buckley then posted this:
Originally Posted by Buckley
Now it seems pretty clear that CAD might be finally over. Otherwise it would be a cheap trick. Tim then posted something on twitter saying that he had been working on a post for six hours and wanted it to be just right. This is it:
Originally Posted by Buckley
Originally Posted by Buckley
The rest (it's pretty long so spoiler):
SpoilerOriginally Posted by Buckley
This guy must really regret Loss. Does he even acknowledge that it happened? I've never seen him address it since that horrible blog post about depressed sacks of tears. Evidently, he regards it as a mistake that he doesn't want to dwell on.
Because as we all know, people can move past it, and heal.Last edited by T-O-E; 2012-11-23 at 07:56 AM.
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2012-11-23, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Have hope. He might mean there is some sort of epilogue. Like, the strange effects on the timeline caused by ethan doing whatever the hell he is doing need to be shown to us. Like, we see how ethans friends and family would have lived if he was never born or some such. Basically, Its A Wonderful Life, without the sappy ending.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2012-11-23, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I've edited my post, Traab.
EDIT:
'Here lies a
wretched corse, of wretched soul bereft:
Seek not my name: a plague consume you wicked
caitiffs left!
Here lie I, Tim; who, alive, all living men did hate:
Pass by and curse thy fill, but pass and stay
not here thy gait.'Last edited by T-O-E; 2012-11-23 at 08:44 AM.
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2012-11-23, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Ah ok, you know what? I can respect this stance. He is rebooting everything and going in a different direction to try and avoid his issues that popped up this time around. I never really jumped on the hate bandwagon, and always felt it was overblown, but I can understand his frustration with trying to take a gag a day comic and turn it into a story, only to realize the characters you created already had personalities that dont work that way. Hopefully, the experience will let him do better this time.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2012-11-23, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
"He was only one of thousands on board"
"In hindsight... we probably should have tested out our transportation method to make sure it worked, rather than sending thousands"
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2012-11-23, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I . . . I really hate the implications of this comic.
They said it was the combined power of their seer stand ins that destroyed their civilization.
Maybe it's just me, but it feels like the comic is trying to say that Dominic alone is at least as powerful as every seer the Eld had combined during their fall.
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2012-11-23, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Dominic is a human so that makes sense.
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2012-11-23, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Mind break being such a huge threat makes the Deegan's even more villanious and assholish than they already are. Powerful seers are the ones to have the most devastating mindbreak, yet they beat and imprisoned a seer who is supposedly more unstable than Dominic and just as powerful.
Also CAD is and will probably always be terrible and if it's rebooting I would not be surprised if it's completely dead within a year.Last edited by Bobikus; 2012-11-23 at 03:28 PM.
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2012-11-23, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
It's one thing to have them once again arbitrarily become more powerful whoever the latest villain is.
It's another thing entirely to say that just one Deegan is a match for an entire ancient and powerful civilizations collective seer might as of the time of their fall.
Or at least that's how I ended up reading that last panel's implication.
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2012-11-23, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I don't think you realise just how special Dominic actually is.
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2012-11-23, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-23, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Buckley has a little more awareness than Mookie but is just as amazingly awful in execution.
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2012-11-23, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I don't know why exactly, but I could never get through CAD's archive. I want to, because some of the things I read about the miscarriage and (I assume) all recent arcs sound completely insane, but actually reading it bores me to tears.
Maybe I should skip the early years, I don't know.Last edited by Johnny Blade; 2012-11-23 at 06:29 PM.
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2012-11-23, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I was actually surprised by the smidgens I saw of Buckley's self-awareness. In this quote he recognises that Ethan is a horrible person:
Originally Posted by Buckley
He also talks about how Lucas and Ethan's friendship makes no sense, which he's completely right about.
I imagine, say, Aaron Diaz is intensely critical about his own work but I don't think he'll ever admit it. He's guilty of many of the same things that he complains about in other comics and I wonder how much he's aware of it.
Is Mookie clueless or does he just not want to admit that he thinks his work has major flaws? What is he going for when he calls his filler "crumby"?Last edited by T-O-E; 2012-11-23 at 06:35 PM.
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2012-11-23, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
A lot of the weirdness of CAD is viewing it through the prism of those early wacky years. I was a daily reader before I quit long before Loss, and a lot of the bizarreness comes from meshing my view of the comic from those early years with the attempts at seriousness.
The best summary I know is the Webcomic Overlook reviews Part 1 and Part 2. El Santo's descent into CADness is pretty much what you would experience if went through the archives, but in convenient summary form.
And then there's the twenty part animated series Video Game Dudes.
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2012-11-23, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
As stated, it's showing slight awareness and being unable to translate that at all into his work, either that or just openly bull****ting.
The final CAD arc is about Ethan getting dragged from place to place with no agency in a future ruined by choices he hadn't made yet at his point in the timeline, was told how to fix everything, but then a woman ruins everything by shooting the time machine and future Ethan, and past Ethan pretty much takes the easy way out while dooming both timelines.
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2012-11-23, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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