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2012-10-31, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
I don't think 'grossly stacked against her' is quite accurate. She would be utterly doomed.
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2012-10-31, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
It wasn't exactly the spell, it was part the spell reacting to the mental conditioning and exploding, possibly altering the whole process.
Well, as long as it isn't a special rare trait and she's not the only one that wouldn't ever fit into unity, then I guess a distant zebra ancestor would be ok... Then it raises questions: Wouldn't a lot others also have the same trait then? or how come the ones with it in the Unity have the same problem?Last edited by Luka; 2012-10-31 at 02:35 PM.
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2012-10-31, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
If the issue were just a spell-backlash that could be corrected. There would have to be something fundamental about Gleamy's nature that makes it so the Goddess can't fully integrate her into Unity.
The whole character was predicated on the idea that what happened to her was exceedingly rare. Something that might have happened two or three times ever. Zebra ancestry isn't exactly a common bloodline and the bottleneck created by the day the world ended would have diluted it even further in the population.
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2012-10-31, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh.... There's kind of the problem: If it's that rare it would kind of make her a "chosen one" with a special trait, which is exactly what I was trying to not make, but instead make her a "common subject that experienced a very very rare event"
Making her a "born rare and special" would kind of make encounters with Unity a lot less interesting...Last edited by Luka; 2012-10-31 at 03:12 PM.
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2012-10-31, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
Less chosen one, more genetic aberration, with the zebra event.
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2012-10-31, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
It's no more 'born rare and special' than someone with heterochromia is born rare and special. Gleamy was genetically incompatible with Unity. She got alicorn'd, but she couldn't be integrated properly. And so she was sent to Canterlot to sever the incomplete, aberrant link she did have. This is the only explanation that really works given what has transpired thus far in character.
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2012-10-31, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Luka; 2012-10-31 at 06:37 PM.
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2012-10-31, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-31, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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'Real Unity' is unity of form, of memory, of purpose, and of will.
Of those four Gleamy only got the first.
Her memories were sealed away, so she never joined the Dream. And her resistance to the Goddess' conditioning means she never had unity of purpose or will, either. So... no. She didn't experience 'Real Unity'.
But that was the case of Fawks, too. He wasn't part of the hive mind either. And as I recall he was the pattern Gleamy was supposed to be built off of.
Unity is meant to be a grey villain. Their goal isn't strictly bad but their methods leave a lot to be desired. Still, Unity is a better option than a lot of the other horrific fates a pony can suffer at the hooves of the Wasteland. Unity looks bad from the outside because it appears as though the pony who once was is totally gone. Unity appears good from the inside because the pony isn't able to believe anything else (that and immortality really isn't that terrible of a deal.)
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2012-10-31, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
Lucky just gave a pretty good analysis of how this setting isn't a "black and white morality" setting. Everything is greyscale. Not all the bad guys are good, and not all the good guys are bad.
I'm gonna repost the main part of what he said, because I think this is something everyone needs to understand. Not all the bandits and slavers and mercenaries are 100% bad, and not all the Steel Rangers or "good guys" are actually 100% nice. Automatically assuming that everything is black and white, morality wise, may lead to some issues with some quests, encounters, and NPC interactions.
"The Wasteland... isn't black and white..." he quietly says after a moment, eyes still closed. "It's actually... grey. Very grey. There are bad ponies who do bad things, and good ponies who do good things. But sometimes, the roles are reversed. A bad pony can still do good things. And good ponies can, and will, sometimes do bad things. Sometimes they have a good reason to do it. Sometimes they don't."
"The Legion as a whole... Yeah, it's bad. They do a lot of good things, but they do more bad things. Individuals in the Legion... It really varies. Some are nice. Some are bastards. You can say the same thing about just about any group out here in the Wasteland. The Steel Rangers, Red Eye's crazy New Equestria thing, and as much as I hate to admit it the Enclave... As a whole, they're all pretty bad. But on the individual level... They're not all bad. Some members are good ponies. They just... do bad things, because they think they have to, or because they think it will lead to good things in the long run. 'For the Greater Good.' So yeah. The Legion... They're bad guys. The individual Legioneighries? Not so much. Not all of them, at least."Last edited by Lycan 01; 2012-10-31 at 08:06 PM.
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2012-10-31, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Of course! The whole point is just being white yourself and finding the lighter shades of grey and helping them be more white while pounding the darkers that are almost black!"
...Eh.... then maybe most of my... everything is in the wrong setting now.
Ugh....I hate grey and gray settings, it's harder to know who to pwn and everything....Last edited by Luka; 2012-10-31 at 08:13 PM.
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2012-10-31, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
You don't "pwn" anyone. You live, try to find a place to survive un, and heck if you haven't been eaten yet then you can set up a settlement where real morals can be set up.
It's because of the grey and grey situation that Lamianos can go from a mare stomping chem chugging bloodcrushing behemoth to a caring loyal father figure who wants to ensure that he has a safe place for fillies and colts to grow up in. He makes alot of bad decisions, alot of them, and he's too stuck up to admit that he's wrong or that he can change. Because Lamianos is Lamianos, and if you have a problem with that you can talk to his minigun.“I’m a Terrorist not an idiot.” - Me
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2012-10-31, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
Kinda the point.
This setting is meant to be complex and deep. Is the bandit robbing you just doing it because he's an ass, or is he trying to get money to buy Radaway for his dying son? If that bandit tries to surrender, and you kill him anyway, is it justice... or murder? Nothing is meant to be crystal clear and spelled out plainly.
I mean, in the Fallout video games, there are some "bad guys" you actually lose Karma for killing. They seem like bad guys, but if you stop and get to know them, they're sometimes just misguided or misunderstood. Just line in real life, morality in Fallout, Fallout: Equestria, and most other games and settings is complicated, confusing, and far from black and white...Anemoia: Nostalgia for a time you've never known.
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2012-10-31, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
That isn't to say you can't have characters that see things as black-and-white. On the contrary, Crusader-types, whether for good or for ill, can certainly add their own brand of spice to a setting. And like I've been saying, sometimes having an incredibly idealistic hero can help keep a group sticking together. Just be ready for those times when it's tricky to sort out who belongs where.
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2012-11-01, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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@Purity: Waiting on Violetta in the Northern thread.
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2012-11-01, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies
SpoilerThis is the thief who likes to hoard,
That loves the bard with the puppet Lord
That admires the fighter with the green-hilted sword,
That employs the Wizard, whose bird is ignored,
That has the gender unexplored
That intrigues the Halfling, usually bored,
That slew a mountain of the goblin horde,
That follows the cleric,
That serves the lich,
That seeks the gate,
That guards the snarl,
That lives in the prison the gods built.
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2012-11-01, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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It helps to think of Swift Star as a fickle cat, moving to the accords of his whims. His sole reason probably to joining this train ride, was payment of his catnip, gemstones which power his magic.
If something amuses him, he might want it to be around longer. If it doesn't, he'll get bored it. If he's annoyed or aggravated he may start tearing up the couches and curtains or knocking over cups of kool aid onto the carpet, if one catches my drift. Consequences be darned. He already did extend his claws to a provoking slaver.
What amuses him varies, but most of it involves the lengths a person is willing to go to get what they want. Hence Elestre's freedom and his friends due to his willingness at the time to defend his friends at unlikely odds. The noble intention there amused him.SpoilerPony Rp-Fox Trot Profile
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2012-11-01, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-01, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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And it still doesn't answer where Eledwhen's cousin whose name I forgot is at.
I will only presume they were in a separate train slaver cart, and it will be truth until proven otherwise.SpoilerPony Rp-Fox Trot Profile
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2012-11-01, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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TyChris1, Maul Steel has been carrying the ghoul the whole time right? The 'keeping pace' line threw me off since the ghoul itself simply will not be walking on its own when it can barely turn its head.
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2012-11-01, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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“I’m a Terrorist not an idiot.” - Me
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2012-11-01, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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The 'dead weight' crack was not just meant literally for a weak laugh-groan
I do see Maul dragging, carrying, taking a break before dragging and carrying again though, and setting him down right now as he goes loots.SpoilerPony Rp-Fox Trot Profile
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2012-11-01, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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To those of you who can't remember, Eledwhen and Elestre's other relative is named Eleyew.
Mmph mmph mmphmm mphmph mmph!
The gag can come off when you're ready to stop taking shots at her, Night Jewel.When in doubt, use cute little dragons.
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2012-11-01, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why, yes! Pineapple DOES carry around a large block of C-4 "For emergencies!"
Bonus points for Earth Pony Passive Magic buffing up her explosives.
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2012-11-01, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Been meaning to finish Ducard for a while now. While playing grim and gritty chem dosing maniacs and cowards is fun and all, I can use a bit of good here and there. Not to mention I had all this stuff planned for him and then just kinda dropped it.
Would Luka and Associates mind pulling him out of a mud pit?“I’m a Terrorist not an idiot.” - Me
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2012-11-01, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Characters in Lords of Creation games:
Aquaeris, Flowing Sheen.
Xacha, the Metal Serpent.
Viltasa, the Evening Star.
Yash-Ko, the Flame of the Void.
Argul Lugra, Lord of the Eyes.
Vriset, the Glassblower.
Valendron, Ascending Wind.
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Ponyville is a little worse off than when LilPip visited it.
For a somewhat specific reason.
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Wait wait wait.
Can we stop and talk about new characters like this before just plunging headlong into the game with them? I'm very concerned about having another power armored ex-Steel Ranger running around.
The Steel Rangers do not let their gear and weapons go lightly. He would have either had to fight his way free, pull of a Metal Gear Solid worthy escape, or murder another Ranger for his armor at a later date. Also, I seem to recall that Lamianos' had to kill his brother or something to escape alive and keep/get his armor. So Ducard having quit to tag along with his "battle-brother" Lamianos seems... skewed. In many ways. And the Steel Rangers likely would have tried to kill him for siding with the "monsters" and trying to walk away from them, whether or not he was trying to steal power armor and weapons in the process. They'd have sent folks after him immediately, or hired folks to take him down.
So yeah. There are several balance and fluff problems with this. The character itself is fine, but decking him out in full power armor, with a heavy flamer and rail gun no less, is very problematic. He needs to have some really good reasons for having all that stuff.
Or maybe you could give him, you know, normal gear or something.
Plus, he'd have already sank and drowned if he fell into quicksand with all that on. That stuff weighs a ton.Anemoia: Nostalgia for a time you've never known.