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    Default Versus Master Thread!

    You read the title. This is the master thread for everything Versus. Here we can discuss anything about the Versus contests, including suggestions, and keeping track of the upcoming Versus Tournaments!


    Versus Tournaments will be a group of similar classes, usually about 8 of them, that will be competing to see which is the best class in that category!

    Following the theme of suggestions, the Versus tournament was actually suggested by a few of the people on Versus #4.

    Winners of regular Versus thus far:
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    First thing first: The very first Tournament will be Gish classes. Base classes only for now. If you have a suggestion for a class to put in this tournament, feel free to PM with it.
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    The search function being broken doesnt help this, but links to the round threads would be awesome


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    Quote Originally Posted by (Un)Inspired View Post
    Contingency is like playing chess but you get to make several moves on your turn, several on you opponents turn and you're aloud to rearrange the board when he gets up to go to the bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTwerewolf View Post
    Thank you!
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    Jade Phoenix mage wins, good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverwolfer View Post
    Jade Phoenix mage wins, good day.
    He said base classes only.
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    You'll never get out of life alive,
    So please kill yourself and save this land,
    And your last mission is to spread my command,"

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    PM me with the suggestions. And yes. Base Classes. As in they could take 20 levels in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranthis View Post
    PM me with the suggestions. And yes. Base Classes. As in they could take 20 levels in it.
    How are you defining "gish" for the purpose of this thread? Does a cleric count? It does get martial and spellcasting abilities? What about a wizard? A wizard 20 can be decent at melee. Druid? Artificer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    How are you defining "gish" for the purpose of this thread? Does a cleric count? It does get martial and spellcasting abilities? What about a wizard? A wizard 20 can be decent at melee. Druid? Artificer?
    Hmmm. How to define it. Any class that can cast and do sufficient melee.
    Let's say casting and at least medium BAB advancement (Ends with 15 on its own). Also Max BAB. Obviously can't leave that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranthis View Post
    Hmmm. How to define it. Any class that can cast and do sufficient melee.
    Let's say casting and at least medium BAB advancement (Ends with 15 on its own). Also Max BAB. Obviously can't leave that out.
    Pretty sure clerics wins then (we already established it just beasts the druid, and wizard and archivist are not valid)...maybe the artificer can challange them...
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    I'm not telling you who is in the tournament, but Cleric will not be put in it.
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    Psionic count as gish to?

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    No Psionics. Remember, PM me with suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranthis View Post
    I'm not telling you who is in the tournament, but Cleric will not be put in it.
    Okay, so if we ignore the tier 1 classes and psionics, we have:

    Bard
    Paladin
    Ranger (and the mystic version)
    Factotum
    Duskblade
    Warlock (if we count SLA as spells)
    Hexblade
    Spellthief
    Favoured Soul
    Healer

    And unless I am mistaken those are the only classes eligible under the current rules. So we need to eliminate 2.
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    You don't have as many of the books as I do Boci. Those are no where near the the limits.
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    Any base class from any book that you think would fit is suggest-able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranthis View Post
    You don't have as many of the books as I do Boci. Those are no where near the the limits.
    I was using the tier list, because I couldn't be bothered to go through all my books. Now that I think about it there are some divine ones from OA and the dragon magazine compendium. There are probably quite a few dragon magazine I missed since I don't own a single copy. What else did I miss that's noteworthy?
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    I would like to see a Whisperknife vs. a Master Thrower.
    Not sure why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dextercorvia View Post
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    Oh yeah. Still I think tiers 1 and 2 should be excluded (and I doubt battle sorceror is enough of a nerf to drop the class down a tier), since their RAW power would focus the tournament on specific spell combinations, and I think there are enough threads that already do that.
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    Versus #5 is out now!
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    Allright, I have officially started taking suggestions for Versus! I have written down in a program most of the suggestions sent to me, and I will continue to do so.

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    Versus #7 and #8 are going to be "Fanmade!"
    Submit your own two builds, that are appropriately challenged against each other, and they may make into Versus #7 or #8!

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    Rules for builds: Explanation for both builds.
    No "Pun-puns" they can be both be game breaking, but only go as far as you think you should.
    No Psionics this time.

    All builds welcome, please send in two. If you only make one build, I might put it against someone who has done a singular as well. But you will have to be lucky.

    Other than that, just build em and submit em.

    But please do try and make your builds different, but balanced vs each other.
    Pm your builds. And as always, suggestions for regular Versus and Versus Tournaments are welcome.

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    Obviously the First fanmade one should be Paladin vs Ranger, all Material available barring ToB
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    Then go make that and submit it. There are no sources blocked this time.
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    Versus #7 and #8 are going to be "Fanmade!"
    Submit your own two builds, that are appropriately challenged against each other, and they may make into Versus #7 or #8!

    Please use the following chart:

    NAME OF ENTRY
    {table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

    1st|New Class Level|
    +x
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    Hit "Quote" and you can copy the code from there.

    Rules for builds: Explanation for both builds.
    No "Pun-puns" they can be both be game breaking, but only go as far as you think you should.
    No Psionics this time.

    All builds welcome, please send in two. If you only make one build, I might put it against someone who has done a singular as well. But you will have to be lucky.

    Other than that, just build em and submit em.

    But please do try and make your builds different, but balanced vs each other.
    Pm your builds. And as always, suggestions for regular Versus and Versus Tournaments are welcome.
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    They say Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so I hope you're flattered with this silly versus thread.
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    Versus #6 Out now!
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    Versus #7 is now out.
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