LGBTAitP #28: Come Taste the Rainbow!

[Lix Lorn]

What is your name?

Asta Kask

What is your quest?

To seek the Holy Grail.

What is Helio's gender?

Male? No! Female? No! I don't know! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

Lol xD

Also, is there not some form of surgery which changes the range of the vocal chords to be more in line with your preferred gender? And early enough hormonal treatment can mitigate the change from youth to adult, which is where the differences in male/female vocal tones and phonation tendencies really start to crop up?

There is, but it isn't recommended. It can backfire, and it's not reliable.

[Mystic Muse]

I'd be willing to join a skype group for modding my voice.

[golentan]

Hugs to everyone.

Life is good. Well... at least often enough to make up for when it sucks.

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

Hugs to everyone.

Life is good. Well... at least often enough to make up for when it sucks.

I'd drink to that, but a 6 armed person took all the drinks!

[Mystic Muse]

I'd drink to that, but it's another year and 4 months (Close enough anyway) until I can.

[Randomguy]

On the topic of Troll sexuality, I have no idea what Homestuck is, so I shall just sit back and smile at how funny all the strange terminology sounds. ^_^'

Oh, let me tell you about Homestuck.

Homestuck is a popular webcomic that updates about five times a day on average. When it comes to funny sounding terminology, Homestuck is simply the best there is. Give it a read if you have a spare hour day week month or so.



Heliomance is Shrodinger's gender: His gender is a superposition of male and female until he changes the gender symbol and collapses the wave function by letting us know.
(I hope this joke wasn't in poor taste. Also, I hope I got the quantum terminology and pronouns right).


EDIT: I was skimming SMBC and came across this mildly relevant comic again, and only just now got the joke.

[Socratov]

[QUOTE=noparlpf;14175072]Is that a real ritual? I like tea. Although I like tea that's super-dark and might scare her off. It scares away most people.



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wow, I never scared them away, only elicit remarks like: "That's no tea, that's coffee!" and likewise comments... The trick is to put some lapsang souchon formose in soem tea holding unit, pour water over it, forget that you made tea for at least 15 minutes (be sure to keep the tea warm), remember you had made tea, leave the tea containment unit in the water, and start drinking. Soon it will be darker then Asmodius' soul.

[Lady Serpentine]

So. I have, for some reason, decided to play a character whose gender is listed exclusively as "Presents as androgyne", whose appearance will, obviously, be deliberately ambiguous, and who I'll be referring to exclusively with gender-neutral pronouns in my descriptive text.

While, aesthetically, I like the name Lilium for them, would that be overly gender-specific to work well?

[Serpentine]

I've had two gender-ambiguous characters. One was a machine, literally sexless, referred to as "it". The other, iirc, was a humanoid... Rogue? I just couldn't decide on a sex for them, so I went with "unknown".
Oddly, I leant towards masculine for the former and feminine for the latter, although they were still both ambiguous/androgynous.

[Heliomance]

Specific to which gender?

[Lady Serpentine]

Specific to which gender?

Personally, I was thinking that Lillium would be read as feminine, but honestly, either one, since the point is for them to present as neither.

[Serpentine]

The "Lilli" start is slightly feminine, but I think it's removed enough from any real-world (or at least any common) names that it can go either way.
Most of my favourite names are gender-neutral...

[Lea Plath]

*Glomps Lea*

Hey! I haven't seen you around recently, so... How have you been? Good, I hope?

Good to see I am still remembered, but not feared. This must change.

ARMS FOR THE ARMS GOD! *Waves a giant axe about*

I'm good though. Life is good.

Also, for people on skype, I've found some nice voice changer programs, I use them sometimes when my gender is feminine.

[Heliomance]

The "Lilli" start is slightly feminine

and the "ium" suffix is traditionally masculine.

And C'nor, if I had to ask which gender you thought it might be too specific to, don't you think you should take that as a hint that it isn't? :P

[Coidzor]

and the "ium" suffix is traditionally masculine.

Though I imagine that it's going to be rather far from the minds of most readers.

While, aesthetically, I like the name Lilium for them, would that be overly gender-specific to work well?

Honestly, I'd be more concerned with them sounding like they're an element or metal.

[Socratov]

I think one of the most androgynous names woudl be Alex, since it's used for both boys and girls...

[Serpentine]

I think one of the most androgynous names woudl be Alex, since it's used for both boys and girls...

So-so. Usually Alex is short for Alexander or Alexandra, both very gendered names. The same goes for Sam(-antha/uel). There's lots of other more intrinsically gender-neutral names: my favourites include Linden, Morgan and Seren, and another is Ashley.

[Socratov]

don't forget about Robin and Artemis (though this is a reference to a certain book series )

[Serpentine]

I certainly wouldn't consider Artemis to be gender-neutral... Robin/Robyn could well be, although I would be concerned about whether the spelling's gendered (it might not be, though, I'm not sure). Similarly with Jessie/Jesse, which has the extra annoyance of it always being assumed that a female Jessie is short for Jessica.

[SiuiS]

So. I have, for some reason, decided to play a character whose gender is listed exclusively as "Presents as androgyne", whose appearance will, obviously, be deliberately ambiguous, and who I'll be referring to exclusively with gender-neutral pronouns in my descriptive text.

While, aesthetically, I like the name Lilium for them, would that be overly gender-specific to work well?

Heeheehee, nice~

I was gonna do something similar in a Mage game until they convinced me to play something else. Gender would have been decided based on how I felt when someone insult caught the character with their pants down.

It works well, as you could be both "Lily" and "Lee".

Though I imagine that it's going to be rather far from the minds of most readers.

Huh? My first thought was, quite literally, "oh hey, the -ium really turns that name on its head, nice!"

I think one of the most androgynous names woudl be Alex, since it's used for both boys and girls...

I prefer Ashleigh or Kelley myself~

[Lea Plath]

Charlie could be gender neutral, I guess?

[Astrella]

Kim is a common gender neutral name around here.

[Serpentine]

Charlie could be gender neutral, I guess?

Same as Alex: it's usually short for either Charlotte (or another girl's name I'm forgetting?) or Charles. But, you know, any name can be gender-neutral (cue "Man Called Sue"). I'm just a gender-neutral name purist

[Absol197]

Same as Alex: it's usually short for either Charlotte (or another girl's name I'm forgetting?) or Charles. But, you know, any name can be gender-neutral (cue "Man Called Sue"). I'm just a gender-neutral name purist

"Jayne! The man they call Jayne!"


~Phoenix~

[Astrella]

I'm sorry hon. I know how much that can suck...

I like your avatar though! Is that Helio's old hat?

*remembers Helios is wearing LEna's old dress*

Oooooooh.

Yeah, it was mostly just that it took me by surprise.

Glad you like it.

I've seen that a lot in people who aren't, well, english speaking caucasians. I think it is in different inflection from native languages and such. I know the few trasnwomen I've met all sound like I want to, and the ones who have the most naturally feminine tones are either African or hispanic in descent. It's only the WASPish ones who have the standard breathy tones.

Perhaps it is like hair-care? Standard hair care is by straight-haired people, for straight hair. It doesn't really work for curly hair, spreads "common knowlwedge" which is incorrect about curly hair, and if you talk to a stylist about how curly hair needs different treatment than straight hair, they patronize you and do the straight hair stuff anyway. Perhaps all the information we have comes from english speaking caucasian transfolk, and so they aren't aware there is any diference?

Also, is there not some form of surgery which changes the range of the vocal chords to be more in line with your preferred gender? And early enough hormonal treatment can mitigate the change from youth to adult, which is where the differences in male/female vocal tones and phonation tendencies really start to crop up?

Regardless, I would like to compile a list of resources to go over, and compare. Does anyone have any potentially racially charged information? I would like to see advice from transwomen of vastly different genetic ethincities.

Hmm, it'd probably be mostly related to your native tongue. Friends have told me about certain peculiarities in my pronunciation cause of me being Dutch. It's really hard to completely mask the presence of your native tongue I feel, especially if you still actively speak both. And don't forget that what type of voice training you have access to plays a pretty big part. As I mentioned earlier, speech therapists are a very common thing around here so trans* people get easily referred to them. (and is covered under insurance.)

There is a surgery but it doesn't magically make your voice feminine, it just raises it. And it's very risky and has a decent change of permanently damaging your voice...

I don't have that specific information, but here is a big pile of voice related stuff. (Still going to add that ideally you'd see a speech therapist for voice training but that's off course not within everyone's options. Taking care of your voice when doing this is really important though!)

[noparlpf]

Oh, let me tell you about Homestuck.

Homestuck is a popular webcomic that updates about five times a day on average. When it comes to funny sounding terminology, Homestuck is simply the best there is. Give it a read if you have a spare hour day week month or so.

Is that on average over its history? It would be more accurate to say that it updates sporadically, but when it does it updates a lot in a few days.

wow, I never scared them away, only elicit remarks like: "That's no tea, that's coffee!" and likewise comments... The trick is to put some lapsang souchon formose in some tea holding unit, pour water over it, forget that you made tea for at least 15 minutes (be sure to keep the tea warm), remember you had made tea, leave the tea containment unit in the water, and start drinking. Soon it will be darker then Asmodius' soul.

I just drink plain black tea, made with tea bags because they're cheaper. And I leave the tea bags in for a good ten minutes at a full boil, then another ten minutes while it cools a bit.
(Turns out you get more "tea" out of a tea bag the second time you steep it, if you steep it at moderate (like 70°C) temperatures both times. But you get more the first time if you steep it at high temperatures, like boiling.)

[Absol197]

So, continuing on our Skype conversation, I am now officially online! For those who would like to get in touch, my name is the same as my username here. Should you get in contact, let me know who it is!

Also, no promises that I'll be on with any frequency, but I now have the capability, at least.

Also, with my adventure in shaving the other day, I believe I have now discovered what ingrown hairs are . Oh, well. Still worth it !

[Lea Plath]

Also, was playing Kingdom Hearts today and realized the nobody form of Lea could be Alex. This pleases me greatly :3

[gunnar11]

So, continuing on our Skype conversation, I am now officially online! For those who would like to get in touch, my name is the same as my username here. Should you get in contact, let me know who it is!

Also, no promises that I'll be on with any frequency, but I now have the capability, at least.

YAY YAY YAY!
*runs off to skype*

Also, was playing Kingdom Hearts today and realized the nobody form of Lea could be Alex. This pleases me greatly :3

Or Axel?

[Asta Kask]

Which is a danish form of Absalon. As unlikely as it seems.