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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Don't think paradox is the term, but I don't quite know what words I'd use to describe it. Mostly seem to run into it as a paranoid fear by the non-bi, non-pan partner of a bisexual or pansexual individual or a subject of gossip by busybodies that there must be some kind of tension because a bisexual's sexual needs aren't being met if they're only having sex with one sex.

    ...Yeah, I could probably have phrased that better and in a non-cumbersome fashion, but hopefully that was clear enough. :/

    Thankfully I've run into it more often in fiction than in reality, but I've run into it there too...
    But.... Then.... Wha..... I'm just utterly confused at the notion that anyone can have such blatant circular logic without noticing and rectifying it themselves. And you say you've ran into this in real life before? Urgh....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
    As in, plural for really likes new things? A bunch o newophiliacs? Or some form of saying theyre neophobic?
    As in, "curiosity killed the cat" should be "curiosity is humans' thing, go away cat" Except not because cats are neat.

    You drive up the average, balanced out by most scientists thinking instead of subvocalizing. ;D
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    Well maybe if anything worked and I had lab profs who knew what was happening...
    "Excuse me, professor, I just rinsed with water, and everything dissolved."
    "Well why would you do that?"
    "Um, the lab book says to rinse with cool water at this point."
    "Well why would you follow the instructions?"
    "...I...what."

    It later turned out the precipitate that dissolved in water was just salt from a side-reaction between the sodium ions from something earlier and the HCl we added, and the actual thing we were looking for just didn't form for some reason nobody could figure out. How did we find out it was just salt? My poor friend isolated it before the rinse-with-water step and tried to find the melting point, sat there for like four hours because the thing doesn't go up to 800°C. Luckily the lecture prof explained it to us the next class.
    And this guy, a well-behaved kid who respects authority and doesn't swear much, cussed out the lab professor to me later that evening.


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    But.... Then.... Wha..... I'm just utterly confused at the notion that anyone can have such blatant circular logic without noticing and rectifying it themselves. And you say you've ran into this in real life before? Urgh....
    It's actually a pretty common misconception that bisexuals tend to cheat because obviously "attracted to both sexes" means "has to have sex with members of both sexes". (Sarcasm: You know, the same way "heterosexual" means "has to have sex with multiple members of opposite sex".)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
    I would remark on the manliness of ponies, but that quickly becomes a morass. XD
    Gender-neutral as I recall, or getting there, which is a good thing, I'd wager.

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    Although, I dunno. I find trans and Cis to be kind of superfluous distinctions, personally. Cisman and transman are both a man. I can't get my head around being proudly trans, because theoretically trans is being uncomfortable and wanting to change. Being comfortable beig uncomfortable is a disconnect. So being proud of being transsexual seems... Against transsexuality? I dunno. It's not a coherent thought really.
    Well, if the alternative is shame, self-loathing, or other emotionally negative and unhealthy things, pride is the clear choice.

    Though my understanding was more about owning it rather than repressing or denying one's self or living in resentment or worse.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tychris1 View Post
    But.... Then.... Wha..... I'm just utterly confused at the notion that anyone can have such blatant circular logic without noticing and rectifying it themselves. And you say you've ran into this in real life before? Urgh....
    Mostly second hand from bisexual acquaintances or friends, but, yeah, once or twice run into it personal-like.
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    I think it's a tie-in with the whole depraved bisexual stereotype. :/

    Come to think of it a bit more, I do seem to recall possibly having had a discussion with one bisexual friend who was getting a bit sexually frustrated, though in retrospect I can't recall whether it was due to their partner's sex or just their partner's hangups. Definitely have run into a group of loosely-connected poly individuals who more or less freely admitted that their nigh-constantly shifting web of relationships and who was sleeping with whom was in part due to getting bored with a single sex of sexual partners initially that had started that group.

    No idea how indicative of anything that group was, as they did seem keen on expanding, nearly completely devouring and/or destroying one of the social groups I had attached myself to at the time.


    I think I almost got preemptively warned away from trying to exploit such a thing by one of my friends back during a muddled period actually. Thankfully segued into a discussion of how many friends she'd lost due to them being biphobic or trying to get into a threesome with her girlfriend and herself rather than continuing in more personally awkward waters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
    Although, I dunno. I find trans and Cis to be kind of superfluous distinctions, personally. Cisman and transman are both a man. I can't get my head around being proudly trans, because theoretically trans is being uncomfortable and wanting to change. Being comfortable beig uncomfortable is a disconnect. So being proud of being transsexual seems... Against transsexuality? I dunno. It's not a coherent thought really.
    Well, I think it works from a "these are the cards I was dealt and I'm going to make the best of it?". And being trans* doesn't mean being uncomfortable, or at least not to me. For me being trans* just means, I'm a woman with a different history and sure there's suffering on the way, but it's led to introspection which has also lend me strength? Iunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    It's actually a pretty common misconception that bisexuals tend to cheat because obviously "attracted to both sexes" means "has to have sex with members of both sexes". (Sarcasm: You know, the same way "heterosexual" means "has to have sex with multiple members of opposite sex".)
    But that doesn't mean you actually do the dirty with both sides. It's just....you...... Ugh, head hurt, stop. Can't continue down this line of thinking without forcing a migraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tychris1 View Post
    But that doesn't mean you actually do the dirty with both sides. It's just....you...... Ugh, head hurt, stop. Can't continue down this line of thinking without forcing a migraine.
    But obviously...
    (Yeah I'm with you. People are weird and nonsensical.)
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    Next in the line of amusing gender stereotyping: nail polish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Next in the line of amusing gender stereotyping: nail polish.
    Nail polish is for men now because chicks dig nail polish therefore sex.
    In a way it's good that they're challenging gender stereotypes, but the way they're doing it is bad.

    (Also personally I just don't understand stuff like makeup and nail polish.)
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    The thing is they're not challenging gender stereotypes, they're reinforcing them by claiming that men can only wear nailpolish if it's supermanly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    The thing is they're not challenging gender stereotypes, they're reinforcing them by claiming that men can only wear nailpolish if it's supermanly.
    Well, they're challenging the idea that nail polish is only for girls.
    They're challenging it by trying to make it as absurdly hypermasculine as everything they pictured it with in their ads there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Next in the line of amusing gender stereotyping: nail polish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    Well, they're challenging the idea that nail polish is only for girls.
    They're challenging it by trying to make it as absurdly hypermasculine as everything they pictured it with in their ads there.
    Well yes, but what they're saying is "you can only enjoy nail polish as a guy if it is hypermasculine". And what if a guy wants to wear shiny colours? This is basically just the reverse of "pink science sets".
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    One of the people on My Transsexual Summer was proud to be trans. She said she loved it, liked the "edge" it gave her (her words, not mine). I believe she hadn't had the surgery, and never wanted to, because she liked herself the way she was. She was gorgeous and open and gregarious, and I thought she was pretty cool... But she was also the exception.
    edit: the exception in the pride, liking it, edginess and to an extent the openness and gregariousness, not in gorgeousness and coolitude and not wanting surgery. Thought I'd better clarify that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Well yes, but what they're saying is "you can only enjoy nail polish as a guy if it is hypermasculine". And what if a guy wants to wear shiny colours? This is basically just the reverse of "pink science sets".
    Well guys can't do anything not hypermasculine, obviously. I get what you're saying and I think I'm just not conveying what I'm trying to say clearly.
    Anyway, I'm kind of curious what their solvent is if not acetone. Probably something stronger, or a complete dud, are my guesses.
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    Damn, this thread moves fast. I close my eyes for a mere 8 hours and at least 2 pages have added...

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    How is that NPH is so damn awesome? It might just be his Barney persona on HIMYM, but still, it's like he 'suffers' from the Stephen Fry effect
    It's the suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Don't think paradox is the term, but I don't quite know what words I'd use to describe it. *Mostly seem to run into it as a paranoid fear by the non-bi, non-pan partner of a bisexual or pansexual individual or a subject of gossip by busybodies that there must be some kind of tension because a bisexual's sexual needs aren't being met if they're only having sex with one sex.

    ...Yeah, I could probably have phrased that better and in a non-cumbersome fashion, but hopefully that was clear enough. :/

    Thankfully I've run into it more often in fiction than in reality, but I've run into it there too...
    I was aware of the, uh, stereotype I suppose, but I didn't know it was something that people actually, like, did. I mean... Well, actually no. I should have. I've met people who called themselves bisexual solely to get social backing for having multiple partners.

    Goodness. The like, nine degrees of thought necessary to make that make sense is almost painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Next in the line of amusing gender stereotyping: nail polish.
    Wow. That's actually a good idea, an I'm actually really stoked about these things existing. the applicator looks really useful, and I've been trying to find something which specifically reinforces the nail for years.

    But seriously; alpha male? I can't even. No one notices the irony of being told to obey so that you can look like your own person who doesn't obey what they're told? Argh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    The thing is they're not challenging gender stereotypes, they're reinforcing them by claiming that men can only wear nailpolish if it's supermanly.
    Well, hm. Is wanting to be masculine necesarily a bad thing though? I don't know. I'm of two or more minds. I can see how it's bad but I can also see how it's not that bad at all. Which I guess means my opinion doesn't have any value at present, huh? Heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Also it's transgender day of remembrance tomorrow, does anyone have any special plans?
    I am hoping to finish a comic in honour of the day, which is making me super-wnervous. I really need to do more for such things, but I always get afraid I will accidentally hurt someone. ._.

    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    It's actually a pretty common misconception that bisexuals tend to cheat because obviously "attracted to both sexes" means "has to have sex with members of both sexes". (Sarcasm: You know, the same way "heterosexual" means "has to have sex with multiple members of opposite sex".)
    I have not myself met anyone who mentioned that particular misconception, but I have met a lot of people who act as if their heterosexuality means they must get as much [insert appropriate genital here] as possible, and sometimes with as many people as possible. Maybe the misconception is based on that? If someone thinks everybody is like that, then they may assume that a bi person would need each kind of sex and thus have to have multiple partners.

    Then again, I am an asexual silly Kobold trying to analyse sexuality based on my teenage peers... Nevermind me. ^_^'

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    Next in the line of amusing gender stereotyping: nail polish.
    That was so strange that I ended up trying to figure out how someone can be so trapped in the idea of rigid gender roles (Which is sad, even if the role fits the person in question. ;_;). Somehow, that road let to a pink-feathered velociraptor.

    Can I label it that? Pink Velociraptor-weird? :3

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    How is that NPH is so damn awesome? It might just be his Barney persona on HIMYM, but still, it's like he 'suffers' from the Stephen Fry effect
    I actually only know of Harris from occasionally seeing someone viewing How I Met Your Mother and from the Prop 8 musical. The musical is great, but other than that, the only claim I have seen of Harris' awesomeness is being on a show with Alyson Hannigan. X3

    Do know that Harris is LGBTA, though. Which is neat, not many actors are openly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
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    Sorry! I have not seen you in a suit, dress or toga, so I could not include you. >_<
    I have posted pictures of me in a dress suit... where are they... Ah, here they are

    I actually only know of Harris from occasionally seeing someone viewing How I Met Your Mother and from the Prop 8 musical. The musical is great, but other than that, the only claim I have seen of Harris' awesomeness is being on a show with Alyson Hannigan. X3

    Do know that Harris is LGBTA, though. Which is neat, not many actors are openly so.
    He is, as they put it in the first season of Project Runway (guilty pleasure of mine while younger), gay like father christmas. (except when he plays the role of Barney Stinson, then is obviously Lorenzo von Matterhorn also known as Casanova incarnate)

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    Hm. I think obsession is about motive, and compulsive is about action. You can obsess over something without really acting, and toucan do something compulsively without obsessing, I believe. But the similarity in end product is there.*
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    How is that NPH is so damn awesome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratov View Post
    He is, as they put it in the first season of Project Runway (guilty pleasure of mine while younger), gay like father christmas. (except when he plays the role of Barney Stinson, then is obviously Lorenzo von Matterhorn also known as Casanova incarnate)
    I've never seen him playing anything but the over the top super hetero guy. He's sort of a modern day Al Jolson in that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    I have not myself met anyone who mentioned that particular misconception, but I have met a lot of people who act as if their heterosexuality means they must get as much [insert appropriate genital here] as possible, and sometimes with as many people as possible. Maybe the misconception is based on that? If someone thinks everybody is like that, then they may assume that a bi person would need each kind of sex and thus have to have multiple partners.

    Then again, I am an asexual silly Kobold trying to analyse sexuality based on my teenage peers... Nevermind me. ^_^'
    I don't think that's it (or at least all of it), as I've seen it from people who aren't just horny teenagers.

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    Also wondering whether I should also shave the other half of my face or continue with the Movember with just half a face.
    Keep a half beard and keep the other side clean-shaven. Why? Why not?
    (I didn't bother with the No-Shave November thing this year. Especially because the moustache is my least favourite part.)
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    And that's why it's a miracle we've survived as a species. Personally, my mum bet money I wouldn't survive to eighteen.
    Clearly it's working well for us! We have the right mix of curiosity and self-preservation.

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    Also wondering whether I should also shave the other half of my face or continue with the Movember with just half a face.
    TOTALLY KEEP THE HALF!!

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    Getting a little disillusioned with the LGBTsoc. There are some lovely people, but it's about 90% cis gay guys. There are a few girls, and as for representatives of the trans* umbrella, as far as I can tell there's me and one FtM.
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    Getting a little disillusioned with the LGBTsoc. There are some lovely people, but it's about 90% cis gay guys. There are a few girls, and as for representatives of the trans* umbrella, as far as I can tell there's me and one FtM.
    Well, not everyone is comfortable going to such a function. Or, it might just be that that's the LGBT demographic in your area. Maybe you could go recruiting !


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    It's not just that gay guys make a lot more noise?
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