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    going 2 weapon fighteing with monk weapons (not chosen yet)

    what would my full bab and TWF flurry look like (eg. +15, +15, +10, +10, +5, +0)?

    Level 20 no modifiers for anything other than flurry and TWF please
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    Let's assume level 2 with 10 str.

    +0/+0/+0.

    -2/-2/-2... forgot TWF penalities.
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    Hehe....


    Level 20 please

    does that take into account Full BAB?
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    I'm AFB but without any other feats I think it would be this:

    Only TWF would be:
    +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3

    with flurry you get -2 to every attack:

    +16/+16/+16/+11/+11/+11/+6/+6/+1

    not so sure although.
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    now, is there a way to make gaggers a monk weapon?

    and can you flurry thrown weapons? would you need bloodstorm balde.

    i smell 18+ thrown daggers a round

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    Quote Originally Posted by starship1 View Post
    now, is there a way to make gaggers a monk weapon?

    and can you flurry thrown weapons? would you need bloodstorm balde.

    i smell 18+ thrown daggers a round
    Shuriken is a monk weapon. You can flurry with all the monk weapons. You can flurry with thrown weapons.

    EDIT: They must still be monk weapons, though. And yes, bloodstorm would let you flurry with thrown quarterstaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazzman View Post
    I'm AFB but without any other feats I think it would be this:

    Only TWF would be:
    +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3

    with flurry you get -2 to every attack:

    +16/+16/+16/+11/+11/+11/+6/+6/+1

    not so sure although.
    Remember flurry gives you an additional attack at the highest BAB from level 11 onwards. Also no idea where your 3rd attack at -5 is coming from.


    TWF:
    +18/+18/+13/+8/+3

    Full TWF Tree:
    +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3

    Flurry (with full BaB):
    +20/+20/+20/+15/+10/+5

    Flurry and TWF:
    +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+8/+3

    Flurry and full TWF Tree:
    +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3

    If you really want to go crazy on attacks/round i'd suggest to look into ToB, the tiger claw manouvers and stances are awesome for this.

    A Warblade 16 / Broodclaw master 4 // Monk 20 with the TWF tree can do:
    +20/+20/+20/+20/+20/+20/+20/+20/+15/+15/+10/+10/+5, plus bite and two claws (+20, +18 or +15 depending on feats), gaining an extra attack for each critical threat (lightning maces feat) and gaining a cumulative +1 hit / dam for each critical hit scored. And that's not even optimized.

    For all builds consider an extra attack at full bonus from haste.
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    i was under the impression flurry of blows and TWF didnt stack, but i can't remember where i got that from..

    I think it had something to do with flurry of blows, you can't make an offhand attack, and with TWF all the extra attacks are with your offhand but im not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origomar View Post
    i was under the impression flurry of blows and TWF didnt stack, but i can't remember where i got that from..
    Probably from Pathfinder, where they don't.

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    Would Monk//Scout be any better? Not that I'm the expert on either class, but Scout rewards mobility, which Monk has plenty of.
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    You could even go Monk // Scout 1 / Ranger X with the swift hunter feat. This way you'd get the scout mobility and the ranger TWF.

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    Well by level 20 you'll have a haste item for a 5th full BAB attack, and those are the ones that matter the most. Scout rewards the ability to move at least 10 feet and full attack, moving 100 feet isn't really related. I'm surprised how poor people's understanding of monk synergy in general is. What is related are the large number of high attack bonus attacks and bonus damage. You can also get sparring dummy of the master for 10 foot 5 foot steps on a monk, that's related.

    A TWF monk works well with effect per hit abilities such as bonus damage and tripping. You might want to wield 2 kamas for trip + skirmish damage. Disarming works well too if you expect a lot of humanoid opponents. Potions of enlarge person help both a lot, and potions of mage armor help monks in general. There's also spell storing, poison (mainly levels 5-10), and many other per hit effects you might look into. And favored enemy of course. It will be hard to maintain a good AC especially since you need a strength focus to trip and deal even more damage, but if you include disables like tripping that should protect you well enough. Might as well throw in a stunning fist on a kick or ki focus weapon, going back to the kamas for remaining attacks.
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