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    I'm no Bond fan. That isn't saying I've something against the character, I've just not watched a lot of the movies; only one, to be precise. I don't remember which one, but it had some media mogul as the chief villain and there was a submarine thing at the end. This movie was... not that.

    It starts off fast-paced and doesn't ever really slow down. The dramaturgy is good, there's no time wasted on stuff that the audience will figure out, or at least form an opinion on, themselves. I like that. The lack of fully spelled out explanations adds greatly to the "spy feel". Visually, the movie was gorgeous, from the intro with the awesome song by Adele to the great use of warm, yellow lights throughout. A pleasure to watch.

    Bond was the one who did all the fancy stuff, but to me the most interesting character was M. She was the anchor point in the movie, and her actor did a great job portraying her. The difficulty of her position was made obvious, and the villain's portrayal was in turn helped by the fact that he was, from one point of view, justified.

    The theme of aging, becoming obsolete and replaced that went through the movie worked on several levels. The type of espionage bond represents has certainly become dated. I've heard some people criticising Craig for playing Bond too un-Bond-y, and that they felt like they could just go watch a Jason Bourne (funny about those initials there, amirite ) film instead I can kind of see that. On the other hand, the option is to pretend that times haven't changed, that we are still in a cold war world where the Internet doesn't exist. To me, the clash between the series history and the fact of the modern world was a bit part of what made the movie enjoyable. If they can continue to play that theme in coming moves, show off the struggle between the need for Bond's competence and qualities and the way they become more and more challenged, I'd maybe even watch next one.

    On the note of history, I understand that this movie marked the 50-year celebration of the Bond movie franchise, and I guess that's why the call-backs like the car and the whole scene at the end were there (I've not seen the movies they came from, but even I have heard about Moneypenny). It was well handled.

    I've no big complaints, as such. The only thing I did think was a pity was that in the end, when M had the gun against her head, she didn't pull the trigger. In sacrificing herself, she would have (pardon the pun) stuck to her guns and made the logical choice for herself, like she had already done for Bond and Silva.

    I'm actually kind of tempted to watch a few of the earlier ones. Have the very first ones aged well at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimann View Post
    I'm actually kind of tempted to watch a few of the earlier ones. Have the very first ones aged well at all?
    Some more than others.

    Most of the Connery ones are good. You Only Live Twice is rather cheesy thought, although important because without it Austin Powers (and more specifically Dr Evil) couldn't exist. From Russia With Love, on the other hand, is much more like a classic spy movie than a Bond film.

    The Roger Moore films, on the other hand, are so excruciatingly cheesy I can barely watch them any more (although I still like Octopussy).

    George Lazenby (On Her Majesty's Secret Service) is a mixed bag - a lot of people hate him/it, but I think its better than it's rep, and certainly better than the worst of the Moore films.

    Timothy Dalton - more serious than most of the other films, and not as popular, but personally I like them, and think he's one of the better Bonds.

    Pierce Brosnan (the other film you saw was one of his: Tomorrow Never Dies). Generally good, but IMO has a tendancy to rely too much on flashy and OTTgadgets. (Worst case: the invisible and nigh-indestructable cars in Die Another Day).

    Daniel Craig: grittier and much less gadgety that traditional Bond. IMO Casino Royale and Fkyfall are good, Quantum of Solace is pretty meh.

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    The Roger Moore films, on the other hand, are so excruciatingly cheesy I can barely watch them any more (although I still like Octopussy).
    Imo, A view to a kill is enjoyable. Plus, Christopher Walken and Grace Jones.
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    A View To Kill is worth watching purely for Christopher Walken. Ignore the fact that James Bond is even there and that at this point his actor is older than the female lead's mother and just enjoy Walken doing his thing.

    If you're willing to watch one just for the actor playing the villain, maybe try The Man with the Golden Gun. Christopher Lee. Can't comment on how good it is as I've never watched more than a few minutes of it, but it's one I want to watch because what part of Christopher freaking Lee didn't you hear? (Funfact: Christopher Lee is step-cousin to Ian Flemming, who wrote the James Bond novels and he would've gladly played Dr. No in the very first Bond film had the producers not already chosen Joseph Wiseman for the role.)

    Goldfinger is one of the more iconic ones, so definitely make sure you wach that one. I'd also reccomend Goldeneye and Casino Royale.
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    I think I've seen almost all of them two or three times and even though that was quite some time back, I remember The Man with the Golde Gun quite positively.
    And yes, A View to a Kill is also great because of the cast.
    I also like Casino Royale quite much and the one time I've seen Quantum of Solace I also enjoyed it quite a lot. Those are the two most recent before Skyfall.

    Goldfinger is probably the classic Bond movie, but I don't remember liking it terribly much.
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    Casino Royale and Fkyfall are good,
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    I also like Casino Royale quite much
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    Bond movies are supposed to be James Bond movies, not movies about an efficient deadly British Secret Service man. That means weird gadgets, extremely sexy women with weird names, and well... more of both.
    Basically, to me, the idea to go in a "more serious" direction removed the only reason to watch them instead of things like the Bourne franchise.
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    There are, what, 25 films in the Bond series now? When you have that many, not all of them can possibly be great; however, even the lesser ones often have a few stand-out scenes that are worth watching (the car chase in "For Your Eyes Only" where Bond is in a bright yellow Citroen 2CV being a particular example). Definitely agree that Goldfinger is one of the classics, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Angel View Post
    Well, you' won't find many people that don't like Casino Royale.
    I have it on DVD only because I was going through my parents DVDs and my mom said if I like it, I should take it, as she's glad to be rid of it.
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    A View To Kill is worth watching purely for Christopher Walken. Ignore the fact that James Bond is even there and that at this point his actor is older than the female lead's mother and just enjoy Walken doing his thing.

    If you're willing to watch one just for the actor playing the villain, maybe try The Man with the Golden Gun. Christopher Lee. Can't comment on how good it is as I've never watched more than a few minutes of it, but it's one I want to watch because what part of Christopher freaking Lee didn't you hear? (Funfact: Christopher Lee is step-cousin to Ian Flemming, who wrote the James Bond novels and he would've gladly played Dr. No in the very first Bond film had the producers not already chosen Joseph Wiseman for the role.)

    Goldfinger is one of the more iconic ones, so definitely make sure you wach that one. I'd also reccomend Goldeneye and Casino Royale.
    Agreed on the Walken.

    As to The Man with the Golden Gun, if any Bond movie gets remade I want it to be that one. There was a lot of potential and Moore and Lee really did a great job playing off each other. But between those two being awesome there was so much overly cheesy camp.

    Now I enjoy camp. Hell, my favorite Bond is still Connery, and I love Goldfinger even when the villain tricks the entire army by wearing his clothes inside out and gets sucked out a plane window. But Golden Gun got to the point where it wasn't even trying. And yes the whistle was in the actual movie. So was the idiotic Texan who couldn't get a laugh if he was paying for them.

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    Just saw Skyfall.

    Not really impressed. Actually found it a little dull.

    The villain had one good introduction scene and then became generic. Too much magical hacking skills on display. After a while it stopped showing how smart the villain was and just started feeling like the script writers were helping him. (See Gambit Roulette if you have some time to kill)

    I also never really felt surprised. When they list their weapons and lay them all out on the table you know they are all going to be used. When the simple hunting knife is laid down last you know it's going to be the last one used for something important. When the Camera makes a point of showing you the pit with Komono Dragons in it you know that someone is going in the pit. When you see the frozen lake you know that they are going in it. When bond flips on the rescue beacon you know for the rest of the scene that help is coming.

    Using the Rescue Beacon as an example, I would have been much more impressed if Bond had used it for something other then well, a rescue beacon. Q gives it to him and says if you need help turn it on and help will come, so later he needs help and he turns it on so help comes.

    There was no cleverness there, nothing that surprised me.

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    Well, I enjoyed Skyfall quite a lot (as opposed to Quantum of Solace). the chases were good, very few gadgets, but finally used as they were intended. Loved the girl and the fact that bond (or MI6 in general) has to answer for their screwups. I especially liked the villain who was a proper and well made villain (I hated him with a passion you cannot fathom, especially for blowing up the DB5 ). I like the new Q. Properly adressed as a whippersnapper, properly answering those claims. it fit snugly. The desk ornament was a great joke (great reference to winston). The preparation of the manor was well done. I loved the DB5 being used again...

    things I didn't like was: I expected a bit more gadgets then gun+radio. Just a bit more. the hacking was overdone. The helicopter shoudl have played the British national anthem or something wagnerian just for good measure. the knife could have been drawn out a little better. they shouldn't have blown up the DB5 just for teh evulz. that's just plain wrong.

    And for gods sake! shooting at a DB5 is enough. Don't just blow a beautiful car up because you're an angry villain with mommyissues...

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    Well, I enjoyed Skyfall quite a lot (as opposed to Quantum of Solace). the chases were good, very few gadgets, but finally used as they were intended. Loved the girl and the fact that bond (or MI6 in general) has to answer for their screwups. I especially liked the villain who was a proper and well made villain (I hated him with a passion you cannot fathom, especially for blowing up the DB5 ). I like the new Q. Properly adressed as a whippersnapper, properly answering those claims. it fit snugly. The desk ornament was a great joke (great reference to winston). The preparation of the manor was well done. I loved the DB5 being used again...

    things I didn't like was: I expected a bit more gadgets then gun+radio. Just a bit more. the hacking was overdone. The helicopter shoudl have played the British national anthem or something wagnerian just for good measure. the knife could have been drawn out a little better. they shouldn't have blown up the DB5 just for teh evulz. that's just plain wrong.

    And for gods sake! shooting at a DB5 is enough. Don't just blow a beautiful car up because you're an angry villain with mommyissues...

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    Craig-Bond is a little less gadgety. I enjoy that for some reasons, but it does start to feel less Bond-like after a while.

    If Skyfall managed to get the intrigue factor right, then I'm in.
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    I spent the majority of Skyfall struggling to feel sympathy for M when she repeatedly demonstrated utter and complete incompetence. If anything I feel that the hearing should have continued longer, and that she should have been fired - not given the opportunity to retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimann View Post
    I'm no Bond fan. That isn't saying I've something against the character, I've just not watched a lot of the movies; only one, to be precise. I don't remember which one, but it had some media mogul as the chief villain and there was a submarine thing at the end. This movie was... not that.

    It starts off fast-paced and doesn't ever really slow down. The dramaturgy is good, there's no time wasted on stuff that the audience will figure out, or at least form an opinion on, themselves. I like that. The lack of fully spelled out explanations adds greatly to the "spy feel". Visually, the movie was gorgeous, from the intro with the awesome song by Adele to the great use of warm, yellow lights throughout. A pleasure to watch.

    Bond was the one who did all the fancy stuff, but to me the most interesting character was M. She was the anchor point in the movie, and her actor did a great job portraying her. The difficulty of her position was made obvious, and the villain's portrayal was in turn helped by the fact that he was, from one point of view, justified.

    The theme of aging, becoming obsolete and replaced that went through the movie worked on several levels. The type of espionage bond represents has certainly become dated. I've heard some people criticising Craig for playing Bond too un-Bond-y, and that they felt like they could just go watch a Jason Bourne (funny about those initials there, amirite ) film instead I can kind of see that. On the other hand, the option is to pretend that times haven't changed, that we are still in a cold war world where the Internet doesn't exist. To me, the clash between the series history and the fact of the modern world was a bit part of what made the movie enjoyable. If they can continue to play that theme in coming moves, show off the struggle between the need for Bond's competence and qualities and the way they become more and more challenged, I'd maybe even watch next one.

    On the note of history, I understand that this movie marked the 50-year celebration of the Bond movie franchise, and I guess that's why the call-backs like the car and the whole scene at the end were there (I've not seen the movies they came from, but even I have heard about Moneypenny). It was well handled.

    I've no big complaints, as such. The only thing I did think was a pity was that in the end, when M had the gun against her head, she didn't pull the trigger. In sacrificing herself, she would have (pardon the pun) stuck to her guns and made the logical choice for herself, like she had already done for Bond and Silva.

    I'm actually kind of tempted to watch a few of the earlier ones. Have the very first ones aged well at all?
    If you liked skyfall, go see casino royal. Same style bond movie. Avoid quantum of solace.

    Other bonds depend on how you like older movies. The once with pierce brosnan aren't too old to be bad. Of course they're mediocre bond movies at best. Meanwhile my favorite bond will likely always be Roger Moore.

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    If you liked skyfall, go see casino royal. Same style bond movie. Avoid quantum of solace.

    Other bonds depend on how you like older movies. The once with pierce brosnan aren't too old to be bad. Of course they're mediocre bond movies at best. Meanwhile my favorite bond will likely always be Roger Moore.
    agree with the judgement on Craig's films, disagree with best bonds. IMO Pierce has been the best bond. he what I'dlike to call the trinity of 007: charm, humor and the ability to (seemingly) carry out action scenes. Roger Moore was imo not much more then a giggolo who sometimes drove a car to pieces.

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    I spent the majority of Skyfall struggling to feel sympathy for M when she repeatedly demonstrated utter and complete incompetence. If anything I feel that the hearing should have continued longer, and that she should have been fired - not given the opportunity to retire.
    What parts did you think made her look incompetent?
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    Did anyone else notice how they stole a page or two from the Batman/BruceWayne mythos towards the end? I could go on and on with the parallels.

    Spoiler alert.

    It turns out that James Bond, like Bruch Wayne, is a wealthy tragic orphan. We even get to see his parents tombstone (in an old fashion church graveyard like you might see in Batman). He has a large family manor that even has a bat cave. Alfred appears as an grizzled Scottish groundskeeper. The silver retro gun firing car makes an excellant batmobile.

    Now who was his Robin? Moneypenny or Dame Judy Dench?

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    I always suspected that Miss Moneypenny was the real M all along, while whoever was 'officially' in the M role was a decoy but with some duties like briefing Bond.

    In the grander context of Bond films, I've always seen Q and Felix sharing the role of Alfred, and the Bond Girl sometimes gets the role of Robin, but not always. An actual Robin is somewhat difficult to lock down.
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    Unlikely many here, I actually enjoyed Quantum of Solace a lot.

    Skyfall on the other was a slight letdown. Still an entertaining movie, but the ridicolous gambit the villain pulled out and the general incompetence of M was annoying.

    I liked how Bond actually had to deal with recovering from injures, seems to be rare in the movies.
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    What really bugged me about the villain was that he had no reason to blame M for anything. If I interpreted it right (and please correct me if I'm wrong), then his whole thing was that he was an MI6 agent who was captured, M wrote him off as dead to save four other agents, and his cyanide tooth didn't kill him.
    If he was actually as good an agent as they kept saying, he should have known that in espionage, if you get captured, the government doesn't acknowledge you ever existed, and will not come for you. M was just following protocol.

    Additionally, I really didn't like the overuse of the "Is this all still relevant?" theme, and the constant nagging that everyone is getting old. Wasn't Bond supposed to be a young, just starting out agent in Casino Royale? Then two films later, he's suddenly too old? It just didn't fit together for me. I might be looking into it too much, but it almost felt like the filmmakers were trying to tell the audience that the old, classic Bond movie has no place in the 21st Century. At least, that's what I was picking up on when I left the theater. I could be entirely wrong.

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    The impression I got from the movie was that M, noticing that he was being tracked, did sell him out to protect the other agents - that, and possibly the fact that she didn't even bother following up to see if he was dead could leave a bad taste in his mouth (regardless of whether my reading is right or not, he was tortured for quite a while, and the process seems to have cracked him a little).

    As for the old thing, it did seem a bit of a switch from the earlier movies, but I imagine that 00's, with as much physical activity as we see them do, have relatively short shelf lives (anyway, even if he wasn't that old, Bond did have a fairly rough time of it in this movie)

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    The impression I got from the movie was that M, noticing that he was being tracked, did sell him out to protect the other agents - that, and possibly the fact that she didn't even bother following up to see if he was dead could leave a bad taste in his mouth (regardless of whether my reading is right or not, he was tortured for quite a while, and the process seems to have cracked him a little).
    Yup. M spells that out to bond after meeting the villain. Of course her reason was that he had started hacking chinese without permission, so its debatable how much of it was his own fault.
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    I saw it yesterday, loved it to pieces. I have two major complaints.


    First, In Casino Royale, bond is "The New Kid". Now, less than a decade later, he's an awkward dinosaur with no place in the world. I understand that the REAL metaphor was about silly, old-style Bond movies vs "Bourne" style espionage thrillers, but they cast it as "Secret agents with Guns vs Hackers". If you didn't catch on to what was really being discussed, it would seem stupid. It would be one thing if they were chastising M for ignoring the digital aspect, except she just hired Superhacker Q, and apparently had Superhacker Silvio working for her in Hong Kong. Instead, they were yelling at her for having field agents at all, which came off as a little absurd. It's like they were trying to imply that Daniel Craig's bond engaged in Goldfinger-like adventures, only we know that he started work post 9-11 with Casino Royale.

    Second, the Villain's plot. "I'll let them capture me so I can escape and do evil stuff" is a time honored villain tradition. Usually, the Villain lets himself be captured so he can escape and do something inside the good guy's high-security headquarters, a place he couldn't get into normally.

    In this case, all it did was save him the price of a plane ticket to London.

    Mind you, it could be explained that he was just going to fly to London to assasinate M during her hearing ANYWAY, which means that the whole "Escape from underground MI6, meet up with fake cops, break into hearing and shoot M" was a backup contingency he had in place. Which would be crazy.

    On the other hand, this is the man who apparently had thirty mercenaries and an assault helicopter on standbye in case he needed to attack an old house in Scotland.



    Casino Royale was saying "The old bond just got silly, this is the new bond, he's rough, tumble, and serious". Quantum of Solace realized "Huh, once you take away the camp and the charm, we've just got a generic action hero with a british accent". Skyfall looked around and said "Say...where did we put the jetpacks and shark pits?"

    As for Silvio's storyline, as far as I can tell it went something like this

    Silvio works for M back when the british control Hong Kong. He starts hacking the chinese without permission, and they catch on.

    As the British are getting ready to hand Hong Kong back to China, M gives them Silvio in exchange for six british agents and a clean transfer.
    Silvio get's tortured, tries to commit suicide, fails, get's tortured again, escapes, becomes a super hacker, gets a bunch of mercenaries, and concocts an elaborate, suicidal plan to get revenge on M.

    Also, it kind of bugged me how he paid a man several million euros to break into a building and kill a target...who happened to be alone in a room with Silvio's right-hand hotchick and two sets of hired muscle. It seemed like everybody in the room, except the victim, knew what the plan was. They basically framed his cranium for the assassin. It just seems like a waste of money. They could have just had one of the thugs kill him, or, if they really needed to make it look like a sniper did it for some reason, they could probably have found a cheaper sniper considering the shot that was set up.
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    A decade's a pretty long time for someone in Bond's profession. Considering that it was always made quite clear that Craig's Bond was highly unstable, I had no problem accepting that ten years of action, adventure and barely surviving both would be enough to push him towards collapse.

    As for why Silva wanted in the MI6 base, I'm fairly sure it was to steal what files he hadn't already and commandeer their central computer. They didn't ever spell it out, but that was the impression I got.

    The bit where M was getting yelled at for having field agents though, that's a little harder to justify and I can't help but agree with you a bit. I think the intention was that the people getting angry at M felt that, as an intelligence agency, MI6 should have gone entirely digital and restricted itself to solely intelligence-based activites, leaving the global galavanting and executions to other branches.
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    In the film's defense, it DID frame "Get rid of field agents' as an extreme opinion, even from the people who were attacking M. It seemed like they wanted general reform, with getting rid of field agents as something to at least be considered. Their perspective was probably said best by Q, when he talked about "Sometimes a trigger needs to be pulled".

    The big question is, what does this mean for the next Bond films. A return to old-style shenanigans, obviously. This and Casino managed to pair Action and character drama very well, but now that Bond as a character is fairly fully explored, I don't really know if they'll be able to keep that equilibrium.

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    Second, the Villain's plot. "I'll let them capture me so I can escape and do evil stuff" is a time honored villain tradition. Usually, the Villain lets himself be captured so he can escape and do something inside the good guy's high-security headquarters, a place he couldn't get into normally.

    In this case, all it did was save him the price of a plane ticket to London.

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    The impression I got was he did it so he could have a last face-to-face conversation with M about his betrayal (?) before he killed her. He even says something about wanting to 'look her in the eye one more time'

    Silvio works for M back when the british control Hong Kong. He starts hacking the chinese without permission, and they catch on.

    As the British are getting ready to hand Hong Kong back to China, M gives them Silvio in exchange for six british agents and a clean transfer.
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    Did anyone else notice how they stole a page or two from the Batman/BruceWayne mythos towards the end? I could go on and on with the parallels.
    Yeah ... I'm wondering if that's a tried and true origin story with proud roots tracing back centuries, or if they stole Batman's backstory as shamelessly as it seemed they did. It probably wouldn't have bothered me as much as it did, except I couldn't stop seeing Javier Bordem as basically the Joker.

    On the movie itself: I enjoyed it as a whole, I thought the action was very well done, and I was a fan of what they did with Bond as a character (except for the rich orphan stuff), but the third act felt too contrived, and it seemed like certain plot points were utterly dropped, like Bond having to recover his skills. They show the tests, they show him screwing up, they have Silva tell us he failed and they have him make mistakes while he's tracking the hitman in Hong Kong, but then he's suddenly immediately back to full speed, literally from one second to the next, when he captures Silva?

    I also found myself disliking Bond's actions more and more, perhaps because as the movie went on I was drawing comparisons between him and Batman. Spoilers for some specific events:
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    - He insinuates that his partner from the beginning, Eve, might not be cut out for being a field agent, for what was really no reason that I could see (she acquitted herself well, if not quite up to Bond himself's level, and didn't actually seem to lose much sleep over following her orders even if she personally didn't agree with them).
    -He lets the man he's chasing murder someone, again for pretty much no explained reason, only afterwards intervening.
    - He either intentionally misses the glass on Silva's girlfriend's head so that he can take Silva and his men by surprise, knowing they'll kill her, or he suddenly gains all of his competence back after Silva shoots her? That scene really did not make much sense.
    - He stops to talk with Silva in the tunnels instead of just shooting him off the ladder, why?
    It also made very little sense that the climax of the movie happened as it did, considering that Silva had just assaulted the highest echelons of British government and yet is still able to operate with impunity throughout the country with no explanation.

    Still, I can't deny I enjoyed myself, and only really started to lose suspension of disbelief towards the end. On the whole, I'd actually say I like Quantum of Solace better, though, as QoS had a clearly hurting Bond, an evil multinational secret society, a Bond girl who actually ISN'T just a love interest, and what I thought was an interesting twist on what the villain actually wanted. Still, the past three Bond movies are some of my favorite out of the entire collection, despite some problems.

    I do have to say, though, that this movie's song is every bit as awesome as Casino Royale's, if for different reasons.

    EDIT: Oh, and one thing that I hated, which I'll put in spoilers as it's pretty big:
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    His name IS James Bond. His parents are the Bonds. James Bond is not a code name. It seems to be implied that some of the events of past movies happened to him specifically.

    This basically Jossed what was a very good explanation for the continuity of the movies, namely that Bond was a codename and each new actor was a new agent. Hell, they even set that up, with Silva not being the bad guy's original name! But instead James Bond is the tragic rich orphan of the Bonds, with his faithful butler (groundskeeper) and all. Ugh. No. Just ... no.
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    What parts did you think made her look incompetent?
    I don't want to speak for Kudaku, but since I had the same feeling, here's my list. (Oh, massive spoilers, obviously!)


    • Before the movie opened, her department somehow managed to lose a list containing the names of every embedded agent they had. Why such a list would exist in the first place is unclear, but losing it should have ended someone's career then and there. We don't know the details, but she's the one ultimately in charge.
    • Once Bond's mission to recover the list failed, M took no actions to withdraw the potentially compromised agents. Even after it was confirmed that whoever had the list had the ability to decrypt it, she apparently did nothing until AFTER the first 5 names were released.
    • When she was informed that someone was hacking MI6's systems to get the decryption data, she refused to shut it down in favor of trying to track the signal. We don't know if they could have shut it down in time, but her course of action certainly didn't pan out well: they failed to track the signal, and hacker triggered an explosion that killed a number of MI6 staff, plus caused the sort of terrorist incident that would demand heads roll.
    • Once Bond captured Silva, an expert hacker who had already infiltrated MI6's systems, M placed him in a high-tech confinement cabinet with minimal guards. MI6 then allowed him to infect their new "secure" network by hooking Silva's laptop directly into it, with no apparent regards for the security risk. You can certainly argue that Q was the one being incompetent, but again, she's the one ultimately in charge of MI6 and its personnel decisions.
    • Once Silva escaped, M disregarded any suggestions that she should retreat or cut the hearing short, which gave Silva an opportunity to kill her and who knows how many high-ranking government officials. Her subordinates were also apparently unable (or too stupid to think of) warning the security staff in that building directly, which suggests poor inter-departmental protocols. (Admittedly, based on the fact Silva could just walk in fully armed, perhaps MI6 felt warning security was a waste of time...)
    • With London struck by two major terrorist acts in a single day, M agreed to up and disappear without any word to her superiors or subordinates in some hair-brained scheme to lure out Silva. While I think MI6 was probably better off without her "leadership," that's still a shockingly idiotic dereliction of duty.


    There might be others we could argue over, but those are the ones that stood out.

    Frankly, the entire movie was a giant idiot plot. Our heroes survive their bumbling incompetence only because the bad guy has a flair for the dramatic that would put Ming the Merciless to shame. I enjoyed Casino Royale and even QoS to a degree, so this movie came as a profound disappointment to me. It was horrible.

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    LOVED IT, though I'm kind of confused. Weren't they going to pick up where QoS left off? Even though QoS was kind of a PoS IMHO?
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