Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXIX

[Dumbledore lives]

Well it's certainly an interesting class that I haven't used before, let's see what we can do.

[Dusk Eclipse]

If you believe that the judges will read this as permissively as that (allowing both a graft and a pair of "battlefists" on the same hand), you are welcome to try it. That's a level of permissiveness I'm not accustomed to, either in IC or with those I've played with.

From what I'm understanding Darrin means using the Battlefist from RMm in his right hand and then replacing his left arm with a mighty arm graft and then upgrading that slam attack with a Battlwfist from the ECS.

[Amechra]

So, out of curiosity, are we allowing SLAs to supply the CL to qualify for item crafting feats? Because I'm pretty sure they can qualify...

[Amphetryon]

From what I'm understanding Darrin means using the Battlefist from RMm in his right hand and then replacing his left arm with a mighty arm graft and then upgrading that slam attack with a Battlwfist from the ECS.

Which my initial response said would appear to be legal, if Feat/equipment intensive.

[OMG PONIES]

Besides, Duelist is a rather lame PrC even by Iron Chef standards. Arcane Archer, Blackguard, Dwarven Defender, and Horizon Walker might be ok ingredients, though. Although two of them are racially restrictive.

All the more challenging! And we've used racially restrictive ingredients before (Blade Bravo and Shadow Sentinel spring readily to mind).

[GreenSerpent]

I have a query.

If the character possesses a Dragonmark (for an example let us say the Lesser Mark of Storm) before they reach level 10 of Renegade Mastermaker, do they still keep the Dragonmark and the abilities upon turning into a living construct? What about Siberys marks or Aberrant marks?

[Amechra]

Yep; they retain their old race, and are just treated like Warforged in addition.

[Amphetryon]

I have a query.

If the character possesses a Dragonmark (for an example let us say the Lesser Mark of Storm) before they reach level 10 of Renegade Mastermaker, do they still keep the Dragonmark and the abilities upon turning into a living construct? What about Siberys marks or Aberrant marks?

Is there explicit verbiage in any Eberron text to indicate that a Dragonmark can be lost? Honest question.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Becoming a Dragonborn erases your Dragonmark and I think if you reincarnate in a different race you also loose your Dragonmark, I know there was an article in WotC page; but I can't find it.

[Piggy Knowles]

Actually, the article explicitly says that you KEEP your dragonmark if you are reincarnated. I'll see if I can pull it up.

[mattie_p]

Actually, the article explicitly says that you KEEP your dragonmark if you are reincarnated. I'll see if I can pull it up.

Yes it does. Found it.

A character who possesses a dragonmark will keep his dragonmark even in his new form. However, he cannot pass the dragonmark to his descendants. So reincarnation makes it possible to find an orc with the Mark of Storm, but this will not produce an entire dynasty of dragonmarked orcs.

[GreenSerpent]

Ah, okay. So if he has a Dragonmark and changes race he keeps all the benefits of it, but cannot pass it on.

Seems fair.

[Amphetryon]

Ah, okay. So if he has a Dragonmark and changes race he keeps all the benefits of it, but cannot pass it on.

Seems fair.

Unless he's undergone the Ritual of Rebirth for Dragonborn, or another similar ritual where a Dragonmark is expressly called out as removed.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Unless he's undergone the Ritual of Rebirth for Dragonborn, or another similar ritual where a Dragonmark is expressly called out as removed.

Are there any other rituals similar to the Ritual of Rebirth?

Edit: Since the Prestige class is Eberron-based, should we assume Action Points are the norm?

[GreenSerpent]

Good. Otherwise my build would go from "potentially awesome" to "much less awesome".

[Amphetryon]

Are there any other rituals similar to the Ritual of Rebirth?

Edit: Since the Prestige class is Eberron-based, should we assume Action Points are the norm?

I don't recall offhand if there's specific verbiage on Dragonmarks and crucimigration, for one.

I would assume Action Points will be considered normal; I would not assume a judge will/will not consider your explicit usage of Action Points as far as scoring is concerned.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I don't recall offhand if there's specific verbiage on Dragonmarks and crucimigration, for one.

I would assume Action Points will be considered normal; I would not assume a judge will/will not consider your explicit usage of Action Points as far as scoring is concerned.

Fair Enough.

[Amechra]

Would one of the feats that up your number of Action Points per level remove any quibbles about Action Point use? Judges?

[OMG PONIES]

I don't know how this happened, but I wound up with four separate build ideas. Choosing from here is going to be tricky.

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All the more challenging! And we've used racially restrictive ingredients before (Blade Bravo and Shadow Sentinel spring readily to mind).

You have to keep in mind what makes an interesting ingredient though. Duelist ( and Dwarven Defender, and arcane archer) is really really boring (the others are better but they've actually been used in a lot of builds ). I don't think we'd see many interesting or unique builds.

On that note does anyone think we should take the lists of good qualities in an SI from one of the previous threads and put them in future OP's to aid future chairmen?

[Amphetryon]

You have to keep in mind what makes an interesting ingredient though. Duelist ( and Dwarven Defender, and arcane archer) is really really boring (the others are better but they've actually been used in a lot of builds ). I don't think we'd see many interesting or unique builds.

On that note does anyone think we should take the lists of good qualities in an SI from one of the previous threads and put them in future OP's to aid future chairmen?

I think that list will tend to evolve as the folks participating change, and as the number of previous ingredients and entries continues to swell. As such, I'm not convinced it has a whole lot of use going forward other than a marker indicating where the contest was at that time. At one time, contestants using only 4 levels in the PrC that was the focus of the contest could expect to do very well; I doubt that's the case in the current environment, for example.

[Madara]

Would one of the feats that up your number of Action Points per level remove any quibbles about Action Point use? Judges?

I'm going to assume that the stadard Eberron rules for action points are used. So if you have a feat or ability that uses action points, it will be treated like any other feat. But I will say, that because of how limited action points are per level(unless you get a special source), I will be calculating how often you could use the ability at your write-ups and sweet spot, as well as in general. This will be kept in mind when I am scoring on Power.

[Venger]

what is the ruling on the construct exemplar ability, chairman? does it just give you the living construct subtype, or does it also change your type from humanoid to construct?

[Amphetryon]

Given the verbiage about qualifying as a Warforged, you take on the Construct (Living Construct) type, just as they have.

[Venger]

Given the verbiage about qualifying as a Warforged, you take on the Construct (Living Construct) type, just as they have.

type and subtype it is, then. thanks!

[GreenSerpent]

Given the verbiage about qualifying as a Warforged, you take on the Construct (Living Construct) type, just as they have.

I get you are treated as a Warforged once you reach level 10, but are you also treated as a member of your original race or not?

[Venger]

I get you are treated as a Warforged once you reach level 10, but are you also treated as a member of your original race or not?

you mean like if you were human, could you take a human-only class after for example?

interesting question.

[Amphetryon]

I get you are treated as a Warforged once you reach level 10, but are you also treated as a member of your original race or not?

Barring explicit verbiage that says "you are no longer a member if your original race" or "no longer qualify as" or similar, I'd say you are also still a member of your original race.

[Dumbledore lives]

Well I have a concept, I'm not sure how well it works out mechanically but I think it's pretty cool.

[Thurbane]

I'm not a big Eberron fan, but the whole cyborg aspect of the PrC appeals to me. I might get an entry in, spare time permitting, but that's pretty iffy right now...