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    I'm excited by this challenge. How many people will go all in with the class how many people will make a partial cyborg.
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    How telling is it that people would rather discuss the taxonomy of tomatoes (which are delicious) than the truenamer class?
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    I've got an idea for a build (yes, another one), but it would probably make people stab me.

    Should I do it anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    I've got an idea for a build (yes, another one), but it would probably make people stab me.

    Should I do it anyway?
    The good news is that people won't know its you, so they can't stab you, at least not until the end of the contest
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    When I die, I donate my body to the cause of whatever ******* finds it first.
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    Really though, how effin scary would the beach be if an octopus could launch itself outta the water at a 200' move speed every 6 seconds. I'd never go to the beach again... I thought flying sharks were scary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madara View Post
    The good news is that people won't know its you, so they can't stab you, at least not until the end of the contest
    stabbed now or stabbed later is still stabbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narsis View Post
    stabbed now or stabbed later is still stabbed.
    But the stabbing won't feel as bad after a glorious victory
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    When I die, I donate my body to the cause of whatever ******* finds it first.
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    Really though, how effin scary would the beach be if an octopus could launch itself outta the water at a 200' move speed every 6 seconds. I'd never go to the beach again... I thought flying sharks were scary...
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    One of my first thoughts was pretty stab-worthy, although I couldn't get it to come together without some pretty stinky cheese. I'll be curious to see if anyone else goes that route, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMG PONIES View Post
    All the more challenging!
    Indeed. However, whether "more challenging" is a good thing is ... controversial.

    And we've used racially restrictive ingredients before (Blade Bravo and Shadow Sentinel spring readily to mind).
    Yes, and at the end of both of those contests, the current Chairman made some comment about how the next contest would be mercifully less restrictive racially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draz74 View Post
    Yes, and at the end of both of those contests, the current Chairman made some comment about how the next contest would be mercifully less restrictive racially.
    you're going to talk about restrictive ingredients and not mention drow judicator or initiate of pistis sophia? now those were really hard. I didn't do blade bravo so can't comment, but shadow sentinel was a cakewalk compared to the other two
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    How telling is it that people would rather discuss the taxonomy of tomatoes (which are delicious) than the truenamer class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draz74 View Post
    Yes, and at the end of both of those contests, the current Chairman made some comment about how the next contest would be mercifully less restrictive racially.
    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    you're going to talk about restrictive ingredients and not mention drow judicator or initiate of pistis sophia? now those were really hard. I didn't do blade bravo so can't comment, but shadow sentinel was a cakewalk compared to the other two
    True...Blade Bravo didn't even require gnome if you were willing to burn a few levels on Stoneblessed. Those others were bears by comparison.
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    Any ingredient that requires elf is not at all restrictive, also. There are so many elven subraces out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiagoMartell View Post
    Any ingredient that requires elf is not at all restrictive, also. There are so many elven subraces out there!
    More Dwarves than Elves, by strict count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    More Dwarves than Elves, by strict count.
    Wow, didn't know that. Can't even begin to imagine where they are hidden. Are you counting half-elves as well? 'cause we're talking prc qualification and elf blood counts there. I think there are more elf prcs out there, so I guess it evens out, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiagoMartell View Post
    Any ingredient that requires elf is not at all restrictive, also. There are so many elven subraces out there!
    But then you have to be...an elf. *shudder*
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    But then you have to be...an elf. *shudder*
    Or Half-Elf. But still, your point stands.
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    There are some decent elves... Snow elf from frostburn is posibly the best elf sub-race and Fire elves are awesome for Int-based gishes. They also have monopoly to the best Prestige class for Two weapon fighters, the Revenant Blade and one of the strongest ToB Prestige classes, Eternal Blade.

    And Eberron's elves (half elves and drow too) have the best fluff ever concerning them! Ancient-mongolian-esque hordes for the Valenar, Creepy not-necromancer Death Obsessed elves in Aerenal, tribal ex-slaves drows who worship a Scorpion-god and aren't chaotic evil to the point of not being a sustainable society. And finally the half-breed (who incidentally became a true-breeding race) are freaking AIR PIRATES!!!!! and some of them can control the climate!

    tl:dr: normal elves sucks mechanically; but Eberron Elves are awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    tl:dr: normal elves sucks mechanically; but Eberron Elves are awesome.
    Even shorter? "Everything's better in Eberron."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMG PONIES View Post
    Even shorter? "Everything's better in Eberron."
    QFT. As usual, Mr Ponies brings us words of wisdom.

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    I think I was able to narrow my four concepts down to one! Granted, I don't know if that one will materialize into a build or if I'll ragequit hours before the deadline, but we shall see.
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    Well dang, after several contests where I got my entry in just before the deadline, if at all, I managed to submit my build a full week in advance. Feels nice to not have so much pressure on!

    I'm pretty happy with my build. I did break one of my cardinal rules of Iron Chef building with this entry, so I'll be curious to see if it hurts me or not... but hey, for every rule an exception, right?
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    Lucky you, I have my concept pretty much nailed; but there are some rules question that I need to check before actually building... and this I will make sure my entry isn't a complete mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    Well dang, after several contests where I got my entry in just before the deadline, if at all, I managed to submit my build a full week in advance. Feels nice to not have so much pressure on!

    I'm pretty happy with my build. I did break one of my cardinal rules of Iron Chef building with this entry, so I'll be curious to see if it hurts me or not... but hey, for every rule an exception, right?
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    *closes PM, gets eye drops and applies*

    *re-opens PM, just to double-check*

    *laughs, shrugs, and closes PM*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    *opens PM*

    *Blinks, stares*

    *closes PM, gets eye drops and applies*

    *re-opens PM, just to double-check*

    *laughs, shrugs, and closes PM*
    So THAT's how Pun-Pun can become Warforged.
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    So I'm working on a build, if I have time to get it written down. One rules question, if I may (and I think this doesn't give anything away): how does a PrC like this affect spell casting gained from another PrC that has 10 or fewer caster levels? Do you just keep increasing caster level without gaining additional spells per day/known after you max the PrC out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krackenjack View Post
    So I'm working on a build, if I have time to get it written down. One rules question, if I may (and I think this doesn't give anything away): how does a PrC like this affect spell casting gained from another PrC that has 10 or fewer caster levels? Do you just keep increasing caster level without gaining additional spells per day/known after you max the PrC out?
    Indeed. Caster level increases, nothing else changes on that particular front.
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    Just a reminder to contestants, Action Points are assumed, since this is Eberron.
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    How goes the creation process, folks? You're all suspiciously quiet.
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    I'm putting the finishing touches on the build, and about to start writing the story. I had hoped to start the story earlier this week, so I'm falling behind schedule a bit
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    I'll have to drop out, after some revision my original build is illegal and I don't have the time to build and write a new entry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    I'll have to drop out, after some revision my original build is illegal and I don't have the time to build and write a new entry.
    Same here...well, I didn't get far into the build to be honest, but my original concept turned out not to qualify for the PrC...not without some serious fudging, anyway.

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