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    Hello!

    I need some help - the party is supposed to "descend" into a ravine, a gulch, a canyon of sorts. It's actually a hidden (druidic) grove situated in a mountain chain. They don't know the secret way in, so they plan on - falling from above. They have a wizard friend who can cast Feather Fall on one of them, and that one plans on bringing another PC along (it's a human child, he's a warlock, 9 years old, pretty messed up). Also, the wizard wanted to make a long rest and recast the spell again on another party member.

    But now there is yet another member who should go, and they can't wait for each others, separated for two days, for a number of reasons.

    So, (TL, DR) how can someone fall from really high and land without problems if he doesn't have Feather Fall and is level 10 (Warlock, Rogue, Paladin, Cleric)? Thanks!
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    If you have an airship, you could fit it with an Window of Escape (IL2 lair item)... but if you had an airship you could just fly there.

    Poking the compendium for the word 'fall' gives an easy answer: Elixir of Levitation (IL8 consumable). It gives you a limited flying ability for 1 encounter/up to 5 minutes, which includes not taking falling damage.

    edit: Elixir of Flying (IL11 consumable) just plain gives you a fly speed for a time.
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    A good ol' rope will do. Have them climb their way down. It's more fun this way since they will have to earn their way in the grove.
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    Default Re: Feather Fall (alternatives)

    Thanks, Badgerish, and to you, Silma, as well. I decided against "the good ol' rope", since the thing should be really, really hard to access, the weather is awful and it's quite risky. Again, they could do that, but if they do, it won't be easy. So, searching for alternatives. :)

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    Plan 1: Tha old "Cleric's Feather Fall".

    Step 1: Paladin jumps off the cliff.
    Step 2: Cleric, carrying Warlock, feather falls down the cliff.
    Step 3: Cleric uses Raise Dead on Paladin. Meanwhile, Wizard takes an extended rest.
    Step 4: Wizard feather falls down the cliff.

    That's everybody down and active in under 9 hours.

    Also, depending on how high the cliff is, there's a chance the paladin could survive the fall(not a good chance, but still). The party can hit him with as many temporary hit points as they can muster and hope for a low damage roll.

    Plan 2: Bigby's Icy Mage Hand.

    Step 1: Wizard casts Resistance on Cleric, selecting cold damage.
    Step 2: Wizard casts Bigby's Icy Grasp on Cleric.
    Step 3: Wizard moves Cleric down the cliff at 120 feet per round. Sustain damage from Grasp cannot overcome the resistance.
    Step 4: With Cleric safely down, the rest of the party may proceed with the original plan.

    This one is not clearly rules-legal, but is hilarious. Some other source of resistance to cold could be used on the cleric. If the resistance isn't high enough, the paladin utility Divine Bodyguard can cut any damage taken in half.

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    Although I don't think we could do it (based on power selection), your suggestions are awesome Nater. :D

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    Well, you could upend a decanter of endless water into the canyon and hope that it'll create a large enough "pool" on the bottom to cushion the fall. Maybe get a kiddie pool, fill it up, and drop it? WARNING DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

    Or you could wait a billion short rests and just fill the canyon. Then you won't need to worry about falling damage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OracleofWuffing View Post
    Well, you could upend a decanter of endless water into the canyon and hope that it'll create a large enough "pool" on the bottom to cushion the fall. Maybe get a kiddie pool, fill it up, and drop it? WARNING DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

    Or you could wait a billion short rests and just fill the canyon. Then you won't need to worry about falling damage!
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    Well, yeah, that's kind of the point.
    "Okay, so I'm going to quick draw and dual wield these one-pound caltrops as improvised weapons..."
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    "Oh, hey, look! Blue Eyes Black Lotus!" "Wait what, do you sacrifice a mana to the... Does it like, summon a... What would that card even do!?" "Oh, it's got a four-energy attack. Completely unviable in actual play, so don't worry about it."

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    Drowning: for when you can't get close enough for burning.

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    You could always pull a Red Mage!

    I don't have the comic at hand but...


    Step 1: Get the PC's a cannon or giant sling shot (think ACME)

    Step 2: Hand the pc a few healing potions

    Step 3: Shoot said PC in the canyon at an arch, said pc let's go of the healing potions at the apex of the flight.

    Step 4: PC hits the ground and goes into negatives just as the healing potion hits his body (bringing him up to 0 then adding more hp). After 3 or 4 the PC should be fine.

    Step 5: Explain why you don't really need to drink the potions.

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    10th level wizard?

    reduce spell, see how many small creatures can be stopped with feather fall.

    Plus the wizard has to jump since you can only cast feather fall in a very close area to the wizard not three hundred feet away and wait.

    Translation Wizard goes with first group.

    fly or teleport or maybe even dimention door
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    Okay, after checking to see if this has been corrected in errata, I have a new idea. Don't think about this too much. And have a helmet ready for the DMGs that will be thrown at you.

    Phantom Steed, Level 6 Ritual. Either you can hit an Arcana of 40 to get natural flying steeds, or find some way to make them fly (elixirs mentioned above, readied actions with a Pixie's help, whatever). Ride your flying steed out into the ravine, then bop the steed on its head. Since the steed disappeared while flying, its rider will descend safely to the ground, landing at the start of its next turn.

    Unfortunately, that's a ritual, and nobody uses rituals.
    "Okay, so I'm going to quick draw and dual wield these one-pound caltrops as improvised weapons..."
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    "Oh, hey, look! Blue Eyes Black Lotus!" "Wait what, do you sacrifice a mana to the... Does it like, summon a... What would that card even do!?" "Oh, it's got a four-energy attack. Completely unviable in actual play, so don't worry about it."

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    Why not just have the PC's get some cloth and base jump in.
    It works in books/movies, so why not DnD?
    For added fun have the party get a big enuff sheet and they all hang on to the sides and jump as one.
    If the weight to cloth size is semi-equle, the worse the party would get would be minor damage, broken leg/legs max.
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    First of all, all is over, potions were used.

    Quote Originally Posted by denthor View Post
    Plus the wizard has to jump since you can only cast feather fall in a very close area to the wizard not three hundred feet away and wait.
    I am not sure about this, however. If they are standing on a cliff and one jumps, and the Wizard has prepared for it, he can cast the spell on the target. The ally "falls" as soon as he "starts to fall", that is my read. And at the end, he takes no damage or goes prone. I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandrake View Post
    First of all, all is over, potions were used.



    I am not sure about this, however. If they are standing on a cliff and one jumps, and the Wizard has prepared for it, he can cast the spell on the target. The ally "falls" as soon as he "starts to fall", that is my read. And at the end, he takes no damage or goes prone. I guess.

    In past versions of feather fall you could arrest movement for multiple target. The wizard could cast at distance but that distance was short range. Not sure about 4.0. In Pathfinder you can stop 3 medium size creatures at 4th level and more at higer levels.
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    In 4ed, The Wizard spell is just 1 target. The "Ring of Feather Falling" can share the effect over a group of people, but overly expensive.
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