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    Default (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    Hello, everyone!

    I'm asking about a hypothetical weapon that I don't believe exists. Imagine a Heavy Blade / Flail combo, maybe 1d8 damage, and has the off-hand property.

    I'm asking here because I want to know if this is too exploitable via the mixing of Heavy Blade and Flail enchantments/feats. Is this a bad idea for a custom weapon?

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    Default Re: (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    There is a flail & light blade combo called Kusari-gama from Dragon 404. It is a superior double melee weapon. It's a sickle (or kama) on one end of a chain and a heavy weight on the other, with the weight swung with great force and used to either entangle or trip a foe, and the kama used to slice at a vital part of the body. It's +2 proficiency and does 1d10/1d6 damage with the Defensive and Reach properties.

    That is the closest thing to what you suggest.

    So, how exploitable would a heavy blade and flail be? Well, at what level? If you are talking heroic tier, then not very. If you are talking epic level, then I'd have to do some digging.
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    Default Re: (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    If you are imagining heavy blades on a chain, as a weapon it wouldn't work. If you use it as a flail weapon it won't cut, it will bounce. Blades need pressure to do damage, and flail weapons simply don't provide the pressure you need. A whip can cut because its light and moves a supersonic speeds to do damage. If you spin up a blade on a chain and smack something with it, it might make a little nick but would most likely just clatter harmlessly off of any armor. The Kusari-gama works because it is a Light Blade in one hand attached to a chain in the other. The heavy weight (Hammer/Mace) works because it does damage by transferring the energy caused by the swing, that momentum actually amplified by the longer arc it can make.

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    Default Re: (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    Tegu; I completely agree with the actually real-world application not working. I am simply curious of the mechanical hypothetical benefits.

    tcrudisi; I'm actually familiar with the Kusari-Gama. However, there is still a difference between light blade feat/weapon support, and heavy blade feat/weapon support, which is why I bring this up.

    I'm interested in all levels of this sort of thing. I wanna know whether or not it would be overkill.
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    Default Re: (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    Also, though the kusari-gama is described as a flail/light blade, it's only considered a flail for weapon groups so it won't benefit from light blade feats and such.

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    Default Re: (Hypothetical) Exploitable Heavy Blade/Flail

    Kusari-gama is a double weapon, the mainhand end is a flail with defensive, and the offhand part is a light blade with the offhand property. The compendium handles double weapons very poorly in my opinion. And yes it counts as a light blade and flail at all times. It can take either enchant (for both ends, because double weapons use a single enchant), feats/powers that apply to either apply to both ends as well.
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