League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'til Morello gets Gold

[Silverraptor]

The following is a rant, read at your own risk.

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DO NOT ****ING PLAY ARAM UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO BE HORRIBLY, MASSIVELY STOMPED INTO THE GROUND. I SWEAR TO GOD, IF I THINK THE TEAMS ARE HORRIBLY BAD, I'M TOLD TO SUCK IT UP AND ROLL WITH IT; AFTER ALL IT'S ARAM. AND YET, THE ONE TIME THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT, IT'S A ****ING TRAGEDY AND I SHOULD FEEL BAD BECAUSE I GOT TO ROLL DOWN THE BRIDGE? NO PUT YOUR BIG BOY PANTS ON AND ROLL WITH IT, IT'S ****ING ARAM. CONSISTENCY PEOPLE, HAVE SOME.

Yeah... Tryhards on murderbridge is always hilarious to watch.

[NineThePuma]

You know.

When I said Son of Zeal was the only Dominion player, I didn't expect to get so many people trying to prove me wrong.


Next you guys are going to try and prove to me that Kayle is actually an awesome jungler or something.

[TheShrike]

Not a bad jungler, but very much not a top tier jungler.

[McDouggal]

Next you guys are going to try and prove to me that Kayle is actually an awesome jungler or something.

Yeah, about that....

EDIT: Ninja'ed. This is what I get for leaving tabs open and unattended for 15 minutes...

[Forrestfire]

So, I learned today that I'm really bad at Leona, and need to practice her a ton before I actually play her

[Math_Mage]

You know.

When I said Son of Zeal was the only Dominion player, I didn't expect to get so many people trying to prove me wrong.


Next you guys are going to try and prove to me that Kayle is actually an awesome jungler or something.

*shrug* It's easy bait for people to talk about their Dominion experience or community awareness. But I won't talk about the jungle because my jungling is miserable.

[ChaosOS]

Jungle Kayle is legit. Confirmed on Saint's stream if you were wondering.

[TheShrike]

The dude jungles Ashe. also, ****ing reddit memes.

[dgnslyr]

Except Kayle feels so... outclassed by say, Malphite, who also has a point-and-click slow, a speed-up, AoE on autoattacks, and free health. Also, using Malphite's ult has to be one of the most satisfying noises in the game.

[TheShrike]

Except Kayle feels so... outclassed by say, Malphite, who also has a point-and-click slow, a speed-up, AoE on autoattacks, and free health. Also, using Malphite's ult has to be one of the most satisfying noises in the game.

Well, Kayle is (sometimes) ranged, has a big flat damage steroid on her AoE and can speed herself up without hitting something nearby. They're completely different champions with totally different kits and massively different playstyles. Saying that Malphite is similar to Kayle in any meaningful way would be one of the least accurate statements one could make that would still sound vaguely believable to someone who doesn't think.

I do agree, however, that Malphite outclasses Kayle.

[Godskook]

Next you guys are going to try and prove to me that Kayle is actually an awesome jungler or something.

In S2, Kayle maintained tier 2(which is completely respectable) on Stonewall's list all season long, pretty much. Was particularly notable prior to Jayce, since Kayle was previously the only good "ranged carry" jungler.

[NineThePuma]

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And Now You're Going To Tell Me That Chogath Is An Awesome Support.

[Forrestfire]

Well, it's actually fairly strong if you pair him with a jungler who has a stun or strong slow. Or caitlin.

I've had some great success with kill lane Cho+Cait. Trap->rupture->kill

[ChaosOS]

Between a ton of CC between Rupture and Feral Scream, and his free stats+threat from Feast, he can actually work as a protect the carry from anti-carries support. Fid probably does what cho does but better, but Cho support could definitely work, just mostly people tend to use his amazing sustain and farming in the jungle or top lane. But basically lane is about rupture threats to anyone that tries to bushcamp and just generally being a pain vs. melee supports and then rupture+feral scream is great for assisting ganks. Basically, if you expect heavy ganks coming from your jungler, Cho can shut down any chance of escape with his Q and W. Teamfights? Really bulky support with his feast that can get easy ruptures on any bruisers that are trying to dive your carries, and if you get in melee he's not going to die easily, do decent damage with his E, and then of course Feast to pierce through the high-resist anti-carries. Or, just feral scream to prevent assassins from unloading their combos.

[TheShrike]

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And Now You're Going To Tell Me That Chogath Is An Awesome Support.

Not even close :P

[Godskook]

And Now You're Going To Tell Me That Chogath Is An Awesome Support.

Beats me, Support is The Fiery Tower's area of expertise. Wouldn't entirely surprise me though, since decent CDR-scaling + huge base damage + CC = good support, generally speaking.

[dgnslyr]

Well, Cho has hard CC followed by soft CC, free stats, and great base damage. You know who else has all of these things? Darius. He's got the hook, the slow, great base damage, and free ArPen. Of course, this would have to be a very killy kill lane to work, so he'd need an AD carry with good burst and ideally a slow, so naturally that means Draven!

Have Draven Stand Aside a guy, so Darius can hook and they both can unload their burst, and if that doesn't kill a dude, I don't know what will. Pink ward will probably be very important for this to work, though, because Darius would need it to sit in bush unmolested.

I've never tried this. In fact, I've never played either champ before. Theorycrafting!

[sonofzeal]

Let's phrase this otherwise.....


How many champs CAN'T be at least semi-viable as support?

[toasty]

Let's phrase this otherwise.....


How many champs CAN'T be at least semi-viable as support?

Vlad for one. Probably Karthus and Kassadin, Diana and Akali would have a hard time pulling it off, as would Swain, Irelia...

I could go on, but I've mentioned a few. Mostly mages.

[TheShrike]

I'll mention Warwick, mostly because he'd be almost totally useless pre-6 and not hugely useful afterwards. Stupid ASpd steroid making him actually do SOMETHING for the AD Carry pre-6.

[sonofzeal]

Vlad for one. Probably Karthus and Kassadin, Diana and Akali would have a hard time pulling it off, as would Swain, Irelia...

I could go on, but I've mentioned a few. Mostly mages.

Swain has a slow and a root though, which is a goodly amount of CC. I could see it working just as well as... well, anyone from Noxus, pretty much. They're not so hot on Support overall. In Team Noxus, Swain's my pick for Support.

[tyckspoon]

Vlad for one. Probably Karthus and Kassadin, Diana and Akali would have a hard time pulling it off, as would Swain, Irelia...

I could go on, but I've mentioned a few. Mostly mages.

The resourceless/regenerating resource ones could probably do alright in a kind of 'heal? Protect? What's that? My job is to throw damage at your face at every cooldown!' 'support'-y way. It'd be a pretty rough transition trying to maintain relevance on the way from early laning to teamfight/trying to damage people with defensive items, tho.

[ZeroNumerous]

Vlad for one.

Health gives him damage. He has no resources in lane. He heals everytime he damages the enemy. His ulti gives a team-wide damage boost versus people he hits with it. He's able to freely disengage if he goes in too deep with W, and he has free scaling damage with E.

Vlad would do fine as a support if he wasn't a much bigger threat when he has farm. He'd be a pokey-damage zoning support ala Zyra, but with less hard CC and more escapes. And frankly, his damage boosting ulti isn't something to sneeze at.

I think he'd be a viable support, but you'd have much less fun than playing him top or mid.

[Math_Mage]

Let's phrase this otherwise.....


How many champs CAN'T be at least semi-viable as support?

Udyr, Nasus, Vlad, Karthus, Shyvana, AD carries other than Ashe or Urgot or possibly Varus, Malzahar, Olaf, Skarner, and Kassadin are the champions I simply can't see succeeding against an even minimally competent team. As the competence grows, the list of workable supports shrinks.

Since Vlad in particular has been defended, let me point out that Vlad's resourcelessness simply means he can lose trades more often. In that role, he's Soraka-level poke without the heals. Heck, Soraka's CC is better than his. The only advantage is that he's still hard to gank because trollpool.

EDIT: No I did not say Viktor instead of Varus what are you talking about

[TechnOkami]

Udyr, Nasus, Vlad, Karthus, Shyvana, AD carries other than Ashe or Urgot or possibly Viktor, Malzahar, Olaf, Skarner, and Kassadin are the champions I simply can't see succeeding against an even minimally competent team. As the competence grows, the list of workable supports shrinks.

Since Vlad in particular has been defended, let me point out that Vlad's resourcelessness simply means he can lose trades more often. In that role, he's Soraka-level poke without the heals. Heck, Soraka's CC is better than his. The only advantage is that he's still hard to gank because trollpool.

Just a note: I tried support Malzahar. It didn't work. End of discussion.

[Mabn]

I saw a good support Karthus once actually. He leveled defile last and spent the entire lane phase poking with Q and using walls as crowd control. Around 10 or 15 minutes he switched lanes to scale into late game. It only worked because by the time we figured out how to handle it he was in mid, but it did work.

[Talesin]

Edit Edit: 9 losses in a row. What the actual...

My worst ranked loss streak was 13 in a row. I played a few normals in between so that broke it up a little. At the time I felt hard done by but looking back on it I didn't do enough to carry the games (and built Teemo awfully).

Not that your situation is necessarily similar, I can remember a streak of 5 games where at least one person afk'd before 20 minutes. It'll happen to the other teams you play against eventually!

Also, I lost a 2v1 lane against a Morde earlier as Vayne/Ali. Everytime we'd try to do anything to him he'd get his shield up and then we just couldn't get through it. Couple of jungler ganks set us back and his armour stacking almost cost us the game.

However, once I got PD and LW up Vayne is still Vayne and I was able to carry the later teamfights to the win. Fun match.

[Zinc]

Yeah... Tryhards on murderbridge is always hilarious to watch.

Tell that to AD Veigar vs AP Nasus. It's hilarious to watch.

[Thanatos 51-50]

Vlad for one. Probably Karthus and Kassadin, Diana and Akali would have a hard time pulling it off, as would Swain, Irelia...

I could go on, but I've mentioned a few. Mostly mages.

I know Twitch can't. He has one skill that's even remotely support, but the slow doesn't last long, and it's really most useful to drop his DoTs on a bunch of, or even just one target. If it's there, it's an okay chasing tool, but you need to drop it before the enemy leaves autoattack range.

[Eldariel]

Eldariel has been known to partake in Dominion tournaments, last time I checked. I'm under the impression that he's very good at it, compared to most players, which isn't saying a lot considering its minuscule playerbase. Still tho', he's a good source of advice on the topic.

I actually was asked onto a team again so I'll probably be playing a few tournaments the coming weeks; s'pose there might be streams available so I'll be posting the stream links here. Good thing too 'cause I was running out of RP.