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    Quote Originally Posted by prufock View Post
    You can't empower either of these spells. Empower requires variable numeric effects. So it would be +20 and +30 respectively. Of course that's still +50 to your bluff check.
    Hold on since he's supposedly 6th level maybe he got an empowered potion effect to boost his Charisma from 18 to 48 ala empowered potion of glibness (for example) and has a Cloak of Charisma +4? (Assuming he gained +1 Charisma from 4th level of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless View Post
    Is it actually possible to have that many level adjusted racial templates?
    It should not, at least not with a bunch of Half-X templates. Half-X always signifies that the creature is the offspring of two creatures of different species one of which is X. So not more than one Half-X template should be allowed to be applied to a creature. How many biological mothers and fathers can a creature have? The best you could do would be a Quarter-X but that is already covered with Aasimar, Draconic creature, Tiefling etc.

    Unfortunately WotC never wrote that you can only add one Half-X template in the "Creating a Half-X" section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andezzar View Post
    It should not, at least not with a bunch of Half-X templates. Half-X always signifies that the creature is the offspring of two creatures of different species one of which is X. So not more than one Half-X template should be allowed to be applied to a creature. How many biological mothers and fathers can a creature have? The best you could do would be a Quarter-X but that is already covered with Aasimar, Draconic creature, Tiefling etc.

    Unfortunately WotC never wrote that you can only add one Half-X template in the "Creating a Half-X" section.
    A wizard did it.

    Has anyone mentioned UMD yet? 1 rank with a +21 mod could get some interesting effects for a "level 6" character. You'd need to acquire the items of course but if this GM is real and the OP isn't just a troll (which does seem likely) that wouldn't be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andezzar View Post
    It should not, at least not with a bunch of Half-X templates. Half-X always signifies that the creature is the offspring of two creatures of different species one of which is X. So not more than one Half-X template should be allowed to be applied to a creature. How many biological mothers and fathers can a creature have? The best you could do would be a Quarter-X but that is already covered with Aasimar, Draconic creature, Tiefling etc.

    Unfortunately WotC never wrote that you can only add one Half-X template in the "Creating a Half-X" section.
    D&D inheritance is different than real world. You gain all templates that you're parents had duh.

    Edit: Oh and a wizard could probably do it or wish for it.
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    Is I said it is RAW but breaks my suspension of disbelief.

    [edit]Wishing for something outside the list in the spell description can be a really bad idea, depending on he DM.[/edit]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless View Post
    Hold on since he's supposedly 6th level maybe he got an empowered potion effect to boost his Charisma from 18 to 48 ala empowered potion of glibness (for example) and has a Cloak of Charisma +4? (Assuming he gained +1 Charisma from 4th level of course)
    Huh? Not sure if it's the way I'm reading it or the way it's written, but I can't follow what you're saying here. I was discussing the RAW legality of empowering Glibness and Guidance of the Avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andezzar
    Is I said it is RAW but breaks my suspension of disbelief.

    [edit]Wishing for something outside the list in the spell description can be a really bad idea, depending on he DM.[/edit]
    Why are you confusing stats with fluff? The Half-Dragon template, given that dragons can BREED WITH ANYTHING, to me, is a retrovirus that improves ANY dna given to it. It is not a new set of DNA. At.. the only way it could be DNA would be if it had extremely sophisticated iterated decisionmaking trees built into it that modified DNA in certain 'draconic' ways without making an unviable creature - which is essentially describing a universal retrovirus in DNA form anyway.


    It's like, say, a supersoldier serum. It turns Some Guy into Captain America, complete with wings and fire breath. And his children are also Captain America, although after a while they simply turn into Bucky (Draconic template) and a while after that they eventually turn into 'with training, could be Scarlet Witch' (Sorcerer).

    It just only works on fetuses, instead of grown men (and with the right spells or prestige classes, you can apply it to grown men too).

    Saying 'Half-Dragon' is simply a simplistic way of looking at a highly advanced biothaumaturgic improvement engine based on breeding - probably developed by the same sorcerers who turned themselves into dragons in the first place, as part of the method to insure that their antecedents' DNA never became degenerate due to their genetic tampering.

    Half-Fiend is basically the same, since all Fiends are force-bred warrior constructs designed to aggressively reproduce by claiming souls. Now, you combine two retroviruses, you're asking to become a Gibbering Horror - but if both retroviruses are sufficiently advanced and have sufficient decisionmaking trees, they will simply mesh together and both provide their respective benefits (although DnD doesn't model reality super correctly here, as their potency should be reduced in combination as they would probably both modify the same thing in the same way and thus not be as effective as simply adding) without creating sudden horrible drawbacks.



    And anyway, the fluff answers this question like 50 times. Half-Dragon doesn't just mean that one of your parents was a dragon, it says so in the draconomicon - it means that one of your parents was a dragon, one of your GRANDPARENTS was a dragon, or due to some weird fluke you got the full package instead of just being a silverbrow human or draconic human as your ancestors blood (read: magic and retrovirus pieces) combined oddly and gave you the half-dragon template. Half-Dragon is just the bigger, sexier, more magical oomph version of Draconic, and draconic doesn't even necessarily need a dragon in your bloodline at all.



    Conflating fluff and mechanics is bad. It leads to limiting the things you can have in your game drastically. Very drastically. Don't do it.
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    What is this I don't even.
    Ignore going Paladin, Legendary Leader gives CHA to Saves and Fearless. No reason to take Paladin when you can have even better CHA Synergy. Can't have it RIGHT now, but you can have it.
    Level of Marshal, Level of Monk, now your CHA does everything. Forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acanous View Post
    What is this I don't even.
    Ignore going Paladin, Legendary Leader gives CHA to Saves and Fearless. No reason to take Paladin when you can have even better CHA Synergy. Can't have it RIGHT now, but you can have it.
    Level of Marshal, Level of Monk, now your CHA does everything. Forever.
    May I ask why the level of monk?

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    Presumably: 1 level of Monk with the Ascetic Mage feat from CAdv.
    This nets you a number of goodies which includes Cha to AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rejakor View Post
    Saying 'Half-Dragon' is simply a simplistic way of looking at a highly advanced biothaumaturgic improvement engine based on breeding
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    That's how wizards beta test their new animals. If it survives Australia, it's a go. Which in hindsight explains a LOT about Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andezzar View Post
    It should not, at least not with a bunch of Half-X templates. Half-X always signifies that the creature is the offspring of two creatures of different species one of which is X. So not more than one Half-X template should be allowed to be applied to a creature. How many biological mothers and fathers can a creature have? The best you could do would be a Quarter-X but that is already covered with Aasimar, Draconic creature, Tiefling etc.

    Unfortunately WotC never wrote that you can only add one Half-X template in the "Creating a Half-X" section.
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