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2012-11-15, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
I'm trying to build a Jaunter/Telflammar Shadowlord/Swiftblade.
I'm looking for ideas on how to get the best of those builds while synergizing the horrible dodge/mobility/ and then free Spring Attack that they all use.
In the end, the big problem comes down to being able to cast Haste. Every build I've found can't get haste until 6th level...which makes sense and all, since it's a 3rd level spell, but is there any subclasses or weird gimmicks that allow you to cast haste earlier?
I can't use items for this build because our DM is weird about items and I don't want to use the kobold stuff because I want to use a different race and our setting, anyhow, doesn't have kobolds as a PC race.
We're starting off at level 15, so there's a lot of room to work....but I haven't been able to find haste earlier than 6th level.
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2012-11-15, 06:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Trapsmith gains haste at a much lower level
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2012-11-15, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
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2012-11-15, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Firstly wizard 5 can cast Haste before level 6
Trapsmith (PrC form Dungeonscape) can cast haste as 1st level spell. Unfortunatelly due to skill rank requirements (8 ranks in Craft(trap making), Disable Device and Search) you can't get into the class to cast haste earlier.
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2012-11-15, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
I can get Jaunter, Telflammar Shadowlord...but getting that haste Swiftblade, I can't wrap that up . . . but I was hoping for some crazy RAW nonsense.
I think I can do it with the Mystic Ranger/Sword of the Arcane Order stuff...but that is so poorly worded that then I'd need to sit and talk with my DM
There no way to get haste before 5th ot 6th level?Last edited by Lictor of Thrax; 2012-11-15 at 06:18 AM.
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2012-11-15, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Suppose you could try to individual study an arcane version of swift haste which is a ranger 2 spell. Then convince your DM that swift haste qualifies since it states in the spell description is counts as haste.
Using that you could meet the haste requirement at wiz 4. So 2 levels earlier than a normal wizard could.
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2012-11-15, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 07:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
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2012-11-15, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
I'm not sure if you are playing 3.5 or PF, but if it's Pathfinder, then the Summoner gets Haste at 4th level. That's one level faster than Wizard.
If you are playing 3.5, you might ask your DM if you can convert a Pathfinder class to 3.5. I'm sure it's not that difficult.I underwent "Specialized High Intensity Training" for the English language. My training focused on avoiding abbreviations and acronyms. Not all of them are a good thing.
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2012-11-15, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Not with my books, but can a Sha'ir from Dragon Compendium cast any arcane spell? If so they can send their Jinn to grab that spell at level one.
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2012-11-15, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Are items cool if you make them yourself rather than relying on random chance? An Artificer can make a pile of scrolls of Haste at level 3.
There might be some kind of shenanigans you can pull off with bloodlines, but those always confuse the hell out of me. And they're definitely shenanigans.
If you accept the Versatile Spellcaster interpretation that lets fixed-list casters access spells early, a Beguiler can get Haste at level 4.In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
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2012-11-15, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
The ideas for Swift Haste don't work due to swiftblade requirements.
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2012-11-15, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Human Domain Wizard 1
Feats: Precautious appretience(1st level), magical training(human), versatile spellcaster(flaw).
1) Get magical training to cast some cantrips spontaneously, so you can qulify for versatile spell caster.
2) Get haste in to your spell book (so it will be your "spell known").
3) Precautious appretience gives you 2nd level slot.
4) Since you have 2nd level slot you get another 2nd level slot from domain wizard
5) Use versatile spellcaster and convert both 2ndlevel slots to cast haste.
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2012-11-15, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
A Cleric with the Time domain gets Haste at 5th.
Can you bolt a domain onto your existing build ?
Some Templates:
An evolved undead can have it for +1 LA, but you have to get lucky on a d12.
Half Clay Golem Template gets Haste 3/day as an SLA
Monster of Legend Template can have permanent Haste
I'll leave figuring out how to get these templates before 5th as an exercise.Last edited by nedz; 2012-11-15 at 01:45 PM.
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2012-11-15, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-15, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
There is a ruling in complete arcane that mentions that if a prestige class require an specific spell as a pre-requisite, a spell-like ability that mimic that spell could be used to qualify. Now that particular ruling was due warlocks and I think it only specifies warlock; but if not then you could do that.
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2012-11-15, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fastest way to get Haste without Items or Kobolds?
Artificer pretends to be a Trapsmith to make scrolls of Haste.
Archivist gets scrolls of haste from a Trapsmith with the feats or prestige classes to make Haste a Divine spell to cast into a scroll.Last edited by Gavinfoxx; 2012-11-15 at 01:50 PM.