The Art of Roleplaying OR Why I Hate DnD/Pathfinder [Opinion]

[Hyde]

I dunno, write a book or something if you've just got so much imagination. Complaining to people on a forum about subjective problems where the very nature of the forum means that those people's average default attitude (TM) will be disagreement seems like a very counterproductive endeavor and will not amount to much more than "look at this box of ****s oh man there aren't any what gives? not me, because clearly there are no ****s here".


You want to do something different, then run the game. Actually, this can best be summed up with a quote from my raiding days:

"You're right, your $14.87 entitles you to play the game how you want. However, the rest of the raid's $356.88 means know your role and quit ****ing up".

Basically, your group is a group, which means you get to operate under a consensus.

[Edit] Incidentally, Mutants and Masterminds is a pretty great system for making inherently flavorful characters with no base "classes" to fall back on, and it even looks a lot like 3.5 to boot. Fun when I played/ran it, though teaching it is like herding cats.

[Spuddles]

So you take the worst flavor, slap a Haagen Das label on it, and it suddenly grows quality? I think not, good sir.

Vanilla is strictly better, even if it were not for the variety you get by varying quality of ingredient.

And I am not talking double chocolate fudge chocolate ice cream versus chocolate variation #26 from the same company. I am saying, outright, that you can not get better chocolate ice cream.

/not even joking
/chocolate makes cheesecake bad too

Friend, if you do not like chocolate, then it is fair that you do not like chocolate ice cream. But to say that all ice creams are the same is to be grossly misinformed about the nature of ice creams. That you reference a slightly more costly supermarket ice cream with a fak scandinavian name suggests that you know less on the subject than you should.

[Hyde]

Friend, if you do not like chocolate, then it is fair that you do not like chocolate ice cream. But to say that all ice creams are the same is to be grossly misinformed about the nature of ice creams. That you reference a slightly more costly supermarket ice cream with a fak scandinavian name suggests that you know less on the subject than you should.

Heck, Ice creams aren't even the same within the same flavor. Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough (or anything else) is wicked good but Braums (might be a regional store? Kind of like Marble slab except without the marble slab) is not so much.

[kardar233]

Heck, Ice creams aren't even the same within the same flavor. Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough (or anything else) is wicked good but Braums (might be a regional store? Kind of like Marble slab except without the marble slab) is not so much.

Marble Slab is in my experience greatly inferior to Coldstone, which is a shame as the local Coldstone is ages away and the local Marble Slab is just downtown. This is primarily a function of the greater amount of smurshing (that's a word now) that they do at Coldstone, the fact that they have real brownies for mix-ins and that they keep the strawberries hydrated rather than half-frozen.

There's plenty of variance between basic chocolate flavours. I'm unsure as to why someone would pollute perfectly good ice cream by putting it on cheesecake. I'm also unsure as to why anyone would willingly eat cheesecake.

[Snowbluff]

Heck, Ice creams aren't even the same within the same flavor. Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough (or anything else) is wicked good but Braums (might be a regional store? Kind of like Marble slab except without the marble slab) is not so much.

The difference between chocolates is significantly different than the difference between other flavors made by different brands.

If anything, Spuddles, your comments agrees with me more than it disagrees. The label I mentioned was merely a really frakking appropriate example.

[ThiagoMartell]

Snowbluff has derailed this thread into the best discussion this forum has had in months, pastiche or not.

[Yukitsu]

Snowbluff has derailed this thread into the best discussion this forum has had in months, pastiche or not.

It's the same sodding derail this forum does every time someone gets uncomfortable. Honestly, I'm getting sick of it.

[Snowbluff]

Snowbluff has derailed this thread into the best discussion this forum has had in months, pastiche or not.

To be honest, it's not my fault. I think someone else brought it up. The verbose and comprehensive manner in which I speak may have something to do with it. Thank you anyway.

[Hyde]

To be honest, it's not my fault. I think someone else brought it up. The verbose and comprehensive manner in which I speak may have something to do with it. Thank you anyway.

Doesn't bother me, the original topic is self-serving and kind of dumb. I have an extensive working knowledge of a number of other cultures that gets tabled because no one else has a clue nor the inclination to care about what I'm talking about. Ice cream is much better.

Anyway, I think we might live in the same area, because my coldstone is balls far away, and the marble slab is down the proverbial and literal road, person who mentioned those things.

[Snowbluff]

Doesn't bother me, the original topic is self-serving and kind of dumb. I have an extensive working knowledge of a number of other cultures that gets tabled because no one else has a clue nor the inclination to care about what I'm talking about. Ice cream is much better.

Yeah, I wasn't going to mention how awful and offensive I found this topic. Chocolate ice cream is strictly better than this topic. That should speak volumes, considering my conniptions.

EDIT: Thiago, Hyde's comment has made me decide to immortalize the conclusion of this thread in my signature. Never has derailment done such a service to this forum.

[Hyde]

Yeah, I wasn't going to mention how awful and offensive I found this topic. Chocolate ice cream is strictly better than this topic. That should speak volumes, considering my conniptions.

Shamelessly sporting Thaigo's complement, and the thread isn't even cold yet. Or I guess it might be with all this Ice cream.

[Spuddles]

To be honest, it's not my fault. I think someone else brought it up. The verbose and comprehensive manner in which I speak may have something to do with it. Thank you anyway.

I for one like this derail. It's better than other derails because it's familiar and appeals to many people, but contains anpot of nuance when you delve deeper.

What kind of derail to you prefer, something about pop culture?

[ThiagoMartell]

Thiago, Hyde's comment has made me decide to immortalize the conclusion of this thread in my signature. Never has derailment done such a service to this forum.

Ice cream, for great justice!

[Hyde]

Whatever derail distracts from how soul-crushingly hollow my life is that I can spend it on a forum.

[ThiagoMartell]

Whatever derail distracts from how soul-crushingly hollow my life is that I can spend it on a forum.

Do you need a hug, man? I think you need a hug.
*hugs*

[Kelb_Panthera]

It's the same sodding derail this forum does every time someone gets uncomfortable. Honestly, I'm getting sick of it.

In all fairness, I've only ever seen this particular derailment used as a way to mock both parties whenever a "which game is objectively better" argument starts up.

Frankly, I think that anyone foolish enough to think that fun can ever be objective deserves to be mocked.

[Snowbluff]

Thanks, Spuddles.

Ice cream, for great justice!

Take off every zig.

Whatever derail distracts from how soul-crushingly hollow my life is that I can spend it on a forum.

Yeah. Distractions are good. /hug

[Hyde]

Man I need all the hugs. Thank you.

Everything is just trying to murder me today... it's been pretty awesome. Seriously, it's like... if Final Destination were kind of boring. It's like "oh look out, some guys brake lights down work and he's gonna stop for no reason!" and "man, that tortilla chip is kinda sharp and now you're gonna choke on it!" and "geeze, why did you have to hold up this bank while I'm at it, you jackass? Also, this is Texas and I think like, fifteen of these people have guns, what are you thinking?"

Okay. I may have made that last one up. There was really just another guy making an illegal u-turn into my passenger seat. It was pretty awesome.

[Unusual Muse]

Maybe we should give this its own thread... but I think the entire "chocolate vs. vanilla / intrabrand vs. extrabrand" issue becomes moot when the subject of Talenti is raised; because everything they make blows every other brand and flavor out of the water. But technically it's gelato... so, the real question becomes, is gelato considered "non-core" or "third-party?" We'll leave out the "homebrewers" who make their own ice cream, because that would just be silly.

[ThiagoMartell]

I was all like "holy crap, they allow guns inside banks in Texas" but thankfully that didn't happen

[Hyde]

I was all like "holy crap, they allow guns inside banks in Texas" but thankfully that didn't happen

Oh sure, as long as you have a CnC permit (kinda pricey). Really the only place you can't take them is a school.

And the kinds of people that get CnCs probably don't care where they can't take them anyway.

[Yukitsu]

In all fairness, I've only ever seen this particular derailment used as a way to mock both parties whenever a "which game is objectively better" argument starts up.

Frankly, I think that anyone foolish enough to think that fun can ever be objective deserves to be mocked.

I just don't like it in particular because I hate ice cream.

[Kelb_Panthera]

I just don't like it in particular because I hate ice cream.

Fair enough.

I like it, but I can't eat it very often because my teeth don't. When I'm in the mood for ice-cream, I say you can't beat a good ice-cream sandwich. A neopolitan ice-cream sandwich.

...... disturbing realization: just as I can't read necropolitan without thinking of ice-cream, it seems I can no longer read neopolitan without thinking of undead......

[Morph Bark]

Clearly the best thing here would be for ice cream to have stats in DnD, with different bonuses for flavour and higher bonuses for higher quality.

Fruit-flavoured ice creams get better the fresher the fruit, for one. I may prefer high-quality chocolate most of all, but if a store sells ice cream made with fresh fruit, rather than faking it or such, I'll take it over any other flavour any day of the week.

Vanilla is always a good flavour to fall back on, but sadly I've never encountered some that was very much above all other vanilla ice creams.

[nedz]

Vanilla, or real vanilla — there is a difference.

Besides there is Ice Cream and then there is Phish Food.

[kardar233]

I think we should all pause for a moment to remember Zaq's sacrifice. His service to the community left him unable to participate in this particular thread.

[Morph Bark]

I think we should all pause for a moment to remember Zaq's sacrifice. His service to the community left him unable to participate in this particular thread.

Who? I didn't know J-pop girl bands were masculine.

[ThiagoMartell]

Who?

You do remember Zaq, right? Though the famous quote is by Doc Roc.

[White_Drake]

He lost the ability to taste ice cream when he wrote the Truenamer's Handbook.

<Moment of Silence>

/moment of silence

At any rate, Kardar233, I'm afraid that you are missing one of man's greatest accomplishments when you abstain from cheesecake. coconut chocolate cheesecake is the best desert I've eaten.

[kardar233]

At any rate, Kardar233, I'm afraid that you are missing one of man's greatest accomplishments when you abstain from cheesecake. coconut chocolate cheesecake is the best desert I've eaten.

I do not mourn my lack of partaking in your cake-facsimile dessert. Especially as I detest coconut.

True cake consists only of chocolate and chocolate-related items. However, honey cake is an honorary cake.